What are folks smoking in GD?

[beachmom]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2272152

Oh, I see. So the Iranian president is on "our" side, because he criticized *? I have a proposal: how about we parachute all of these lefty dimwits into Iran, especially the women, and then we can ask them how they feel about their "ally" Ahmadinejad after 3 months living in an oppressive Muslim theocracy, where bloggers are often jailed, tortured, sometimes even killed and where women have few rights.

You know, I have the energy to counteract the RW spin on Iran. How bombing it would be a disaster, how we need to be grown-ups and be diplomats, how we need to get the international community involved and have a summit for Iraq that includes Iran. I can do that. What I can't do is reason with people so blinded with hatred of *, that their latest hero is one of the Iranian revolutionaries who took our people hostage, who presides over the terrorist arm of Iran -- Hezbollah -- an organization second only to al Qaeda in killing Americans, who has said quite clearly he wants annihilate the Jewish people in Israel, who is meddling in Iraq and no doubt assisting in KILLING our troops, and most certainly will want to take the next step from "civilian" use of nuclear technology to make a bomb even if the Right has exaggerated how soon that will happen.

Plain and simple, these are the "Hate America First" crowd, and they should NEVER be allowed a seat at the Democratic table. That may sound intolerant, but one has to draw a line, and it has for sure been crossed with threads like these. A few people have dissented, but I refuse to join a conversation with people so divorced from reality. I suppose if Hitler rose from the dead and started speaking out against *, they would be defending him next, and cheering him on?

This latest outrage coupled with those nitwits the other day calling for the destruction of the new American Embassy in Baghdad made me think of these lyrics from the Cold War era:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

Yeah, that's Chairman Mao murderer of millions.

Luckily, I have company coming, and will be taking a much needed break from the blogs. Just. Total. Insanity.

[TayTay]

1. The Iranian President is a bad guy

who stands against the rights of women and the modernization and liberalization of his nation. His presence on the world stage is a very bad thing that impedes the nukes talks and reflects poorly on his nation and people.

He is a bad guy. Just because he has a dispute with Bush doesn't make him anything but a bad guy and and enemy of world freedom.

I agree with you beachmom, this guy is bad news and the people cheering him on are fools.

[MH1]

4. The Iranian President is a bad guy

but I believe it was the idiotic policies of the * admin, along with abject failure of diplomacy or even a miniscule amount of intelligence in our dealings with that country and its nascent reform movement, that helped bring him to power.

I agree with you and beachmom that the people cheering him are fools. We should be holding up the ascendancy of this rabid menace as yet one more failure of the * administration. I know, I know, it is getting really hard to keep track of all of those failures...

[babylonsister]

2. My take: they despise and are very angry at dimson

for even raising the spectre of nuclear war. I'm sure most people know Ahmadinejad is a bad, radical, unbalanced person. The letter raises the suggestion that he was trying to communicate with the US (but I haven't read the letter), and this admin in all their wisdom doesn't want any part in trying to deal with this diplomatically.
Saddam was also a bad man, and look at his country now. I think many DUers, including myself, don't want the same outcome, or worse, for Iran.
There's lots of frustration out there and it's not being voiced in a logical way.

[sandnsea]

3. Anarchists really exist

I don't know exactly what you do with them. We do need them to vote on our side though. The sad thing is that there really is a problem with this country and wars and corporate power, but the crazy way some people choose to make their case guarantees they won't be listened to.

[JohnKleeb]

5. Sigh this is what has goltten me more and more politically disallusioned

This guy Ahmadijad is a rabid anti semite and the only reason why he was elected president in Iran is becasue all the reformist candidates were purged off the ballots and women are NOT allowed to run for president in Iran. Iran's "Islamic Republic" is as big as a joke as the People's Democracies you see in Communist countries. The problem with GD is they will defend ANYONE and I mean anyone who opposes Bush and to be honest that is scary. I think Bush is a bad president but there are worse people than him in this world who are running countries.

[ProSense]

6. I think alot of this is what

Babylonsister said in her post above. Once a rational person is running the country, people will begin to see the light again.

[JohnKleeb]

8. I want to believe that

I don't have much tolerance for those who defend dicators. We can't let our hatred of Bush get in way of reality.

[ginnyinWI]

7. never give up, John.

We need a generation of young patriots like yourself! :)

People have got to understand that the antidote to people like the Bushies is a real respect for the Rule of Law.

[JohnKleeb]

9. Won't give up, it's just hard

when you have people on your own side defending some of the worst people in the world. I mean I hate Bush but I would never defend someone like Ahmadijad or Castro just because they oppose him. Tyranny is tyranny after all.

[emulatorloo]

10. so many on DU are amazingly doctrinaire, simplistic, and binary in thier

thinking. And then there is that whole DU-Flavor-Of-The-Week thing. Not bad when it was Feingold. Not so hot when it is Ahmadijad!

It is why I've spent less time around here lately --

But while I'm disillusioned with DU, I'm not disillusioned in general. I try to remember that the most doctrinaire posters etc are really in the minority when you get down to it. Which kinda sounds like where you are too.

A tuesday afternoon ramble, I guess -- time to log off DU and nap!

[ginnyinWI]

11. I've stuck around because of this group.

Otherwise I'm sure I'd have moved on by now. I want intelligent discourse, not red-meat rants and their rebuttals.

But that is exactly why some people love DU. They get a big megaphone for their small ideas.

It's nice that they are engaged politically, but some are so very narrow-minded and/or uninformed. And the more ignorant they are, the more they insist that they are right. It makes my head spin.

[paulk]

15. a big megaphone for small ideas

That's perfect! Can I steal that?

That is so much the truth, not just here at DU, but in the world at large. Those speaking the loudest and most often are too often those with the least to say.

Who was it? Mark Twain or Abe Lincoln, I think, said "It is better to close your mouth and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

If only DU would adopt that as it's slogan.

[ginnyinWI]

17. sure, go for it. n/t

[JohnKleeb]

12. Being keen on Russ Feingold is fine with me

He's not a tyrannical mad man and has our nation's best intentions meanwhile Ahmadijad is an anti semtic nut case zealot. I guess I ain't disillusioned persay but definely sick of both extremes of the coin.

[emulatorloo]

13. just so we're clear - I would never compare the two

Russ is great. . .but DU is nuts sometimes.

[JohnKleeb]

14. We are indeed

Yeah DU can be nuts sometimes indeed. I am just saying if we're going to criticize Bush for things like the NSA wiretapping than we shouldn't be defending dicators. Makes us look crazy honestly and most importantly goes against the principles of liberalism.

[demdiva]

16. Yeah ....I agree with all this. Is this what Will Pitt was upset about?

Well not this exact issue but this kind of conduct.
BTW ... what ever happened with that. Has he been heard from again????

[ginnyinWI]

18. he's back--don't know why he left--must have missed that. n/t

[wisteria]

19. These people really need to get over Bush.

They are letting their anger cloud their judgment. I want Bush held accountable too, but just cheering on anyone who dislikes him and calls him out is really sad.