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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:57 AM
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Lou Dobbs is
Edited on Wed May-31-06 10:58 AM by ProSense
a giant ass! A lot of people forget when he was on Bush's bandwagon before and in the early days of Iraq. Media Matters had that great posts about the media glee at the Mission Accomplished statement, his was one of the quotes! Now that everything is tanking, he's going all out on Bush, but has to make sure he includes the Democrats.

Dobbs: President, Congress ignoring crises
By Lou Dobbs
CNN
Wednesday, May 31, 2006; Posted: 9:38 a.m. EDT (13:38 GMT)

Editor's note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears every Wednesday on CNN.com.

NEW YORK -- Libertarian fatalism has infected and afflicted the leaders of both political parties, and none of us should take seriously the partisan posturing from either the Republicans or Democrats.

Snip...

Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, is still in a post-election campaign that is attracting the amount of attention today that it did in his failed attempt for the presidency in 2004. And while he's still fighting the swift boat controversy, he has not articulated a national economic strategy.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/30/dobbs.May31/index.html?section=cnn_latest



What the fuck are you talking about Lou?

Kerry made is vision clear when he was campaigning. He is not campaigning now you jackass!


And in case you missed it, Lou Dumbs, here are a few points Senator Kerry has made:

09/26/2005
John Kerry Addresses American Competitiveness

"We must retool our nation to maintain our position in a global economy we largely created. America will not have national security without economic security."

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=246443&


07/26/2005
Finance Committee Passes Kerry Plan to Protect Pensions, Hold CEOs Accountable
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=241454&


Statement of Senator John Kerry Senate Finance Subcommittee on Long-term Growth and Debt Reduction Hearing: “Saving for the 21st Century: Is America Saving Enough to be Competitive in the Global Marketplace?” April 6, 2006
http://www.senate.gov/~finance/hearings/statements/040606ajk.pdf


Stop trying to pin the blame on the donkey, you ass! (I couldn't resist!) Focus on the failed and forgetful elephants who caused this disaster.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:14 AM
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1. You should send him these things
and thank him for indirectly admitting that either;

1) Kerry is in his "post campaign" attracking a huge amount of attention

OR

2) The media did not do its job in covering the nominee from one of the two major parties.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:09 PM
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11. Done!
Regarding your commentary, "President, Congress ignoring crises," why is it necessary to lump the Democrats in with the Republicans to call out the Bush administration for its failed policies. Likewise, the Congress is Republican controlled, and its majority members have done nothing but rubber stamp Mr. Bush's policies.

To your mention of Senator John Kerry’s post campaign activities, thank you for pointing out that he is still attracting a huge amount of attention. Senator Kerry made is vision clear during the campaign and continues to fight for common sense policies.

In case you missed these, here are a few statements Senator Kerry has made since the election:

09/26/2005
John Kerry Addresses American Competitiveness

"We must retool our nation to maintain our position in a global economy we largely created. America will not have national security without economic security."

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=246443&


07/26/2005
Finance Committee Passes Kerry Plan to Protect Pensions, Hold CEOs Accountable
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=241454&


Statement of Senator John Kerry Senate Finance Subcommittee on Long-term Growth and Debt Reduction Hearing: “Saving for the 21st Century: Is America Saving Enough to be Competitive in the Global Marketplace?” April 6, 2006
http://www.senate.gov/~finance/hearings/statements/040606ajk.pdf

Senator Kerry and the Democrats have an alternative vision for the country, and it in no way resembles the GOP’s tunnel vision. Please stop trying to pin the blame on the donkey. There is an economic crisis, but it is the result of Mr. Bush’s failed policies and a Republican-controlled Congress that turned away from it's oversight responsibilities to march in lockstep with the administration.




"it's," typo! Oops!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:24 AM
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2. interesting that he (and others) have felt it necessary
to bring up John Kerry at all.

Dobbsey has some followers among those on the left, because he is a plain-talker and now a Bush-basher. Even Randi Rhodes: "I love the Dobbs." And also Cher likes him. Me, I'm suspicious, because he is very selective in his facts.

While we are mentioning CNN, I watched Blitzer's Sit. Room yesterday and was surprised at how negative it was willing to go against the administration on Haditha and Iraq in general. Had Murtha on, and also the new Iraqi ambassador who was very willing to tell the truth about what he knew about Haditha. He's actually had a cousin who was killed in cold blood by the troops. He didn't rant, just articulated very clearly what is going on over there, and Blitzer let him. So I'm going to be tuning in that show more often. It was more negative than NBC's coverage.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:27 AM
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3. That's a fatal flaw
of some on the left: Bush bashing equals hero! Lou Dobb is not, not going to take up the Democrats cause!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:40 AM
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4. Exactly! It is that simple! n/t
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 02:07 PM
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5. You should send them.
lol--you crack me up with your commentary too.

(I know it was a rant, but still a great one!)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:25 PM
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6. Here's the thing
Occasionally I post stuff about what friends and neighbors talk about outside presidential election seasons. That's what I see with Lou Dobbs.

They're angry about outsourcing, for instance. We can all equate cheap labor. But when you get to the solution, it all breaks apart. There are Dems & Reps who think the solution is to somehow force corporations who sell in the US to manufacture in the US, and end NAFTA and the WTO. There are working Republicans who see it as simple free market and business having a right to do whatever they want, wherever they want. It's as if those are the only two choices and Lou Dobbs gets people all riled up about the issue. But the real solution, the Democratic solution, well Lou Dobbs never goes there because he'd have to use the "r" word - regulation. So he guides people to the two worst choices and frames it as if there's only these two choices available. In that way, he's their best tool. Even when he's bashing Bush, he's not presenting the real alternative that the Democratic Party is working towards - whether it's on outsourcing, immigration, or the war.

I hear this kind of thing all the time with people who are just sure they aren't Democrats. The only choices they see are the ones the Republicans have told them are the choices - save every tree or logging; free market or no market; gun grabber or 2nd Amendment; etc. Even though people may talk and think more rationally as specific issues come up, when we get to a presidential campaign year especially, they revert back to those false choices presented by people like Dobbs.

It's also true that just because people are very concerned about an issue, like health care or the war, that it necessarily means they're ready to go for the far left solution, like single payer or out now or even impeachment. So all these messages are out there, far left, Republican and Dobbs distortion; and the real Democratic message gets lost in the mix. Seems to me.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:31 PM
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7. Well said! Perfect description! Thanks!
You've hit the nail squarely on the head: false choices!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:41 PM
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8. I got that from JK
He used it several times in 2004 - false choices. I just applied it to Dobbs because he's classic as to why it's so hard to get people to vote for Democrats. Immigration is classic. Dobbs isn't friggin' stupid. He's smart enough to connect outsourcing and illegal immigration, he chooses not to. It's a labor exploitation issue and the obvious solution all the way around is to enforce the labor riders in NAFTA and improve our treaties to lift everybody out of poverty. But that would be supporting Democrats and Dobbs isn't about to do that, so he shifts the focus to exploit the racist tendencies and steers people to the simplistic "build a wall" type of solution. Then, when something like Katrina happens, recoils in horror when anybody dare say racism exists in this country. He's really really good at what he does.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:54 PM
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10. Yup!
Edited on Wed May-31-06 04:04 PM by ProSense
"He's really really good at what he does." And that is duping people who would normally vote for Democrats. Believe me I know what you mean. I used to listen to Lou Dobbs every day, mostly screaming at the TV. Then I started playing a game: Whenever he said something that I agreed with, I'd continue listening to hear the caveat! I always found the summary statements he makes at the end of each segment telling, partly because he states these in such a way that leaves the impression he's just stating the facts, objectively.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:50 PM
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9. Please put this in GD and ask for emails to Lou to urge him to stop
pretending that Democrats and Republicans are alike - that lie is damaging our nation.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:55 PM
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12. Done! n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:21 PM
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13. GREAT JOB - I posted my reply to Lou.
See you in the morning.
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