Kos downplays Kery's politica skills

[Dr Ron]

Kos's strange interpretation of Iowa and New Hampshire:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/29/161743/530

[Mass]

1. kos misses the point. A lot of people in NH liked Kerry, but in the polls

they stopped answering Kerry because they thought he was not a viable candidate, hence the surge of Clark as the anti-Dean).

After Iowa, people were reassured that Kerry was viable and came back.

kos has to downplay all that to say that NH as the first primary is not viable. The only problem he has is that he will not get any candidate to support him, not if they want to have a chance to win the primary. If you see somebody say otherwise, it is that he/she does not want to win and is just a stocking horse for somebody else.

[beachmom]

2. It was hard to comment without bashing Dean (which I did not want to do)

I think Kos is making a mistake here, judging the primaries based on ONE race he didn't like the results of. Dean, obviously, would have been a disaster in the general, and gotten CREAMED. That I am sure of.

[Dr Ron]

3. Would go against their conventional wisdom

To argue with Kos would mean questioning that Dean deserved to win but had it stolen from him. It would question their belief that Kerry's a bad politician.

[beachmom]

4. DailyKos no longer has only one voice, though

Go through the thread -- there are Kerry defenders and even Dean voters who say Kos's use of the data is faulty. As I said before, Ron, that's the #1 site so we have to get involved and post comments. It changes the atmosphere there when there are many commenters who are going to defend Kerry (but I prefer to leave Dean out of it).

[_dynamicdems]

5. True, not everyone on K0S agrees w ith K0S.

The liberals are revolting!

[beachmom]

6. To hell with it!! I just went after him. A little mojo, por favor.

THIRD entry by Kos bashing Iowa and NH. Here's the diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/29/194345/046

Here's my comment:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/6/29/194345/046/70#c70

So question here, because it's between the lines (1+ / 0-)
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Is Kos basically saying that John Kerry was the illegitimate candidate for the Democratic party in 2004? That had things been arranged differently, it would have been someone else? Because that's how it's coming across to me, and I can tell you, I don't like it one bit. This seems to be some kind of coup to blame Iowa and NH for our electoral loss in '04, and secondarily the candidate who was nominated who somehow sheepled everyone into voting for him.

The Democrats nominated the BEST candidate for the job in '04. But we still came up short. Is the problem, perhaps, with the Democratic structure and the GOP's stranglehold of all the media, just as much as any mistakes the candidate made? Should the Dems make changes in how we message and talk about issues? Those are valid points. And I certainly am not against shaking up the primary season. But that's not what you're doing, Kos. You're saying Kerry wasn't the REAL Democratic nominee with no REAL evidence to back that up.

Well, given that 6%, I'd say that's pretty damn impressive compared to the 3% that nominated Webb as our Senate candidate in Virginia. Is he also not the REAL candidate for Senate? It's the apathy, stupid, and you're going to find it across the country.

by beachmom on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 05:54:51 PM PDT

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[blm]

7. Someone tell cowqueen to examine the congressional records of last 25yrs

and the battles that were taken on by ANY of the people whose names she recognizes, and ask her to tell us what she learns about who actually stuck their neck out and did most of the fighting throughout that period.

EVERY major SERIOUS battle to investigate and expose government corruption was taken on BY KERRY with little or NO HELP from other Democrats.

[beachmom]

8. Do you have a Kos login? Because if you don't, you should get

one. People over there will be ASTOUNDED by your authoritive posts and incredible historical knowledge. And dKos has a larger readership than DU.

[beachmom]

9. I just quoted you and used your DU name over there (hope that's okay)

I'm kinda being hammered over there, but I think I'm holding my own. They're saying nasty things about Kerry, but I'm sticking to my guns and not attacking their candidate (Dean), but still . . . Kos knew this was going to open a can of worms.

[blm]

10. Dean was losing support because he was not performing well in the debates

and was totally hammered at the Iowa debate where he really performed poorly.

People want to FORGET that and cling to their belief in the corpmedia that distorted the ground strength of the candidates in Iowa. They OVER-REPORTED the ground strength of Dean and Gephardt while they UNDER-REPORTED The strength on the ground for Kerry and Edwards.

The corpmedia then USED the scream hype lie to mask their own bad reporting and how THEY got it so wrong.