It's being claimed that Kerry was not at ease with veterans. LOLOLOL

[blm]

And that made him a bad candidate. Why on EARTH would someone revise history like that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132

[wisteria]

1. The page is not available! was it locked or is this what they are

doing at DU when we like to other posts?

[fedupinBushcountry]

2. I can't find it

probably totally deleted it because it was such pure over the top flamebait.

[blm]

3. It's in this thread in GD-P

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2715667

[fedupinBushcountry]

4. Beyond lame

you know I wish people would sometimes keep their lame opinions to themselves.

[blm]

5. It's not just that it's opinion, I could deal with that - it's how FALSE

the claim is that they say their opinion is based.

[fedupinBushcountry]

6. Very true

in fact I had put falsehoods in my post and changed it to lame. I just wonder who her candidate was during the primary, I can only guess.

[sandnsea]

12. Ahem...

Remember I always say Oregon is DU LIVE. "Leftcoast" refers to the fact that this person didn't always live in MN, IIRC. I hear crap like this all the time, which is why I just don't get involved with local politics.

I also regularly hear at DU how DeFazio is a far left liberal winning in a red area, but even though I live here, nobody responds to erroneous conclusions about how he does it or if he always stands firm on his principles, because he doesn't.

Pretty loopy thread.

[JohnKleeb]

15. I believe DeFazio has some conservative positions

and that helps but it I think could go back to him possibly being well liked by his constiuents who realized even though he's more liberal than most of them that they like what he does for the district. There are some districts mostly up north that go Democratic in national elections but have GOP Congresspeople.

[sandnsea]

16. He has no conservative positions

He is keenly pro environment, pro reasonable gun regulation, pro sensible worker laws. Certainly not anti-immigrant which is what one might conclude voting for the Sensenbrenner bill.

No, he is a lefty liberal all the way down the line. He ran on closing our dunes to all automotive access, but when the people had a literal freak out, he hasn't spoken about it much since. He is a huge environmentalist, but he'll always be careful about forestry votes because he has to be. Just like he knows he has to be careful on immigration. You can call it pandering, representing your constituents or just smart politics. But I know some of his votes are not on principle, they're just on bills that aren't completely awful or that he doesn't think will pass in the end anyway, like the Sensenbrenner bill. He voted yes on it and basically said not to worry, if it isn't fixed by final passage, he'll vote against it. So he keeps the hicks off his back this election cycle by voting for it, and passifies the rest of us with "what, do you think I'm an idiot!!!" He's a very good politician.

That's why it annoys the hell out of me when people try to use him as a national model for Dems running in a purplish area. They don't get how he runs and they don't take into account that Eugene by far covers any loss in the red areas and that he's from Springfield which gives him a boost in another area that otherwise might go Repub. Roseburg is the only other largish pocket, it has the VA hospital and he is fantastic on veteran's issues. You just can't say he runs on his principles and that's why he wins, if you don't really understand the dynamics of the district.

Although, I can tell you some of the rest of us are getting a little peeved at the logging that is going on and that might just bust open before too much longer. Our hills are really looking almost naked, really and truly down to bare ground. Ick.

[wisteria]

7. Ridiculous talking points brought to us courtesy of RW and those

supporting others. This is the same old junk. Some people just can't move on.

[Mass]

8. What did Kerry do last week that irritated the crowds? This person

is just incredible. She says she disliked Kerry, went to two rallies, and thinks she can speak for the rest of the world.

[blm]

9. Not just that, but speaks for VETS?

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[karynnj]

10. Only a couple of weeks ago, a Deaniac claimed that

Kerry won Iowa beceause he limited his events to veterans only. At least in Iowa, he won the veterans in the primaries. A huge reason for the SBVT was that without them, Kerry's service and career long work for veterans may have let him get a large part of the normally Republican base, although obviously some still hate him for protesting.

Maybe she saw the story posted last week of Kerry taking a soldier home from Iraq to the Red Sox game - even with a soldier currently fighting who is not totally negative on the war, Kerry found common ground. I think he is likely more at home with vets and soldiers than any 2008 Democratic hopeful.

[sandrakae]

11. Fuck. Thats like saying kids hate CANDY.

[politicasista]

13. Had to say this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2715667#2716906

[JohnKleeb]

14. Revisionist History is a fun thing to do, that's why

I didn't read that whole thread but the whole generalizing why dudes tend to vote Republican more is just sterotyping bullshit. Every individual is different in what appeals to them as far as political candidates go. For example I want someone who knows foreign policy, is exceptional on labor, human, and civil rights issues, and I guess someone I can relate to somewhat. Now, my uncle on the otherhand who I talked Sunday while we visited him and my cousin says he wants someone that can inspire him. He doesn't know who but that's what he wants. My grandfather has told me that he wants a candidate that will stand up against outsourcing, illegal immigration, for labor rights, and help the elderly. Read the thread btw and who does she think she is to speak for Vets when if I recall she's not one herself. It would be like me posting a thread claiming that Kerry didn't relate well to mothers and of course every individual thinks differently.

[BlueIris]

17. &@*#&#^#%@$!!!