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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:43 AM
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Romney, Kerry spar over fight on terror
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 08:46 AM by fedupinBushcountry
Governor raps senator for criticizing Iraq war

By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | August 12, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The terrorist attack foiled by British authorities prompted a battle of words yesterday between a pair of presidential contenders from Massachusetts, with Governor Mitt Romney lashing out at Senator John F. Kerry for suggesting that the war in Iraq has harmed the nation's security.

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``Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda have succeeded in isolating the United States," Kerry, a Democrat, said during a conference call organized on behalf of Patrick Murphy, a Democratic candidate in a Pennsylvania House race. ``Afghanistan and Pakistan are where the fight against Al Qaeda is, not in Iraq."

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Asked about Kerry's comments during an appearance on the MSNBC cable network, Romney blasted Kerry. The governor said the senator failed to recognize that the United States is locked in a long-term war against terrorists and that Iraq is a central front.

``I think it shows a complete lack of understanding of the kind of enemy that we're facing," said Romney, a Republican. ``This is not a small group of wackos in the hills that all we have to do is go find one person and it suddenly goes away."

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In turn, Kerry's communications director, David Wade, questioned the governor's knowledge of issues related to Iraq and terrorism.

``Mitt Romney's command of national security is about as real as the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," Wade said.

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http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/08/12/romney_kerry_spar_over_fight_on_terror/


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:46 AM
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1. Romney is clueless. Here is what he considers effective national security:

Exclusive: CIA Commander: U.S. Let bin Laden Slip Away
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek

Army extends cost-cutting, despite emergency funding bill
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=37886&archive=true

Calling a Spade a Spade
If it looks, feels and sounds like one, why won't Iraqi or U.S. politicians call what's unfolding in Iraq a 'civil war'?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14096471/site/newsweek

George W. and the Dominoes
Iraq was supposed to trigger a democratic chain reaction in the Middle East. Instead—see the missiles over Haifa—the tumbling is going backward.
http://www.nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/18858

Anti-U.S. Feeling Leaves Arab Reformers Isolated
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/09/world/middleeast/09arabs.html?ref=middleeast

19 suspects in British terror plot ID'd
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terror_plot_80



Romney's blog has this article posted:
http://blog.electromneyin2008.com/index.php?title=romney_kerry_spar_on_terrorism&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments







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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:01 AM
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2. Republicans are clueless (from the post at Romney's blog):
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 11:01 AM by ProSense
Interesting, since it was proven that there are WMDs in Iraq. But we should take the Senator's word for it, because Kerry knows everything about foreign policy and Iraq...


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:52 PM
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13. So Santorum has a follower in Romney!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:10 AM
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3. There's no love lost
between those two, though it's amusing to see it pop out into public view.

Romney is definitely a few quarters short of a full dollar, if you know what I mean, but he doesn't appear to be aware of his deficiencies...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:15 AM
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4. Romney is parroting the Repub theme of Dem's don't understand
the enemy we are fighting. The nerve of Romney, who has no experience in these matters suggesting that Senator Kerry doesn't understand what is going on. I just don't get the media's logic and the peoples complacency in believing that the Repubs actually have expertise on this issue.
Oh, and I love the new suggestion, that we are locked into a long term war on terror-Iraq being the central front. This being based on the logic that if we pull out now it is a win for the terrorists and they will view us as weak.

So, by this logic, we could be involved in a 100 year war. I am no expert, but how about the need for a plan B, a new direction and the execution of a smarter war on terrorism, that utilizes our intelligence and technologies and our law enforcement capabilities. Why should we continue to think that fighting them on their terms is a winning strategy?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:12 PM
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5. Romney is a 'bait and switch' twit with delusions of grandeur.
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 12:56 PM by TayTay
This is the article that graced the front page of the Boston Globe today:

9/11 ties suspected in plot

More than 70 held as Al Qaeda link is probed


By Bryan Bender and Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | August 12, 2006

LONDON -- US, British, and Pakistani investigators suspect the foiled plot to bomb airliners bound from London to the United States was organized with support from surviving elements of the Al Qaeda network that launched the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, government officials and terrorism specialists said yesterday.

Dozens of arrests were made in Italy and Pakistan yesterday as investigators pressed their probe in Europe and South Asia. The new arrests brought the total of those in custody in the case to more than 70. In Britain, law enforcement authorities searched the homes of those arrested in connection with the bomb plot and froze their bank assets.

No specific link has been disclosed between the plot and fugitive Al Qaeda leader Osama bin laden or his deputy Ayman al- Zawahiri -- who are believed to be hiding along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

But Pakistani authorities said they detained a leading suspect in the London plot who is a ``key person" in the Al Qaeda inner circle. US and Pakistani officials identified him as British national Rashid Rauf, and described him as a suspected facilitator of the plot.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/12/911_ties_suspected_in_plot/


What John Kerry told 65 million Americans (and countless others watching globally) during the first Presidential debate on 9/30/04 about the real war on terrorists:

KERRY: I believe in being strong and resolute and determined. And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are.

But we also have to be smart, Jim. And smart means not diverting your attention from the real war on terror in Afghanistan against Osama bin Laden and taking if off to Iraq where the 9/11 Commission confirms there was no connection to 9/11 itself and Saddam Hussein, and where the reason for going to war was weapons of mass destruction, not the removal of Saddam Hussein.

This president has made, I regret to say, a colossal error of judgment. And judgment is what we look for in the president of the United States of America.

(About the military brass supporting a Kerry PResidency ...) And they believe it because they know I would not take my eye off of the goal: Osama bin Laden.

Unfortunately, he escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. We had him surrounded. But we didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill him. The president relied on Afghan warlords and he outsourced that job too. That's wrong.



That idiot Romney doesn't have the first clue as to what is happening in Iraq or Afghanistan. He believes in a policy of 'lie and die' that would have our soldiers stay in a civil war situation, while the real terrorists who actually attacked America hide in the hills of Pakistan. Romney is just another clueless Rethug who doesn't give a damn what happens in this war as long as he gets to cut taxes for very rich people like himself and doesn't have to ask any of his five kids to enlist and actually fight them 'over there.'

Mitt Romney is a dangerous charlatan who promises one thing and then goes and does something else. This incarnate insult to human intelligence had the gaul to tell the good voters of Massachusetts that he had accomplished everything that needed doing in his 'home state' of Massachusetts with the following interview in the Boston Globe:

With his wife, Ann, standing next to him, Romney said he concluded that he had accomplished most of the goals he had laid out when he took office in January 2003.

''Frankly, what's happened is that we got a lot more done than I expected we would," Romney said, adding that he felt he had accomplished just about everything he promised in his campaign. ''I've got the job done I set out to do."

The governor lay claims to closing a $3 billion budget deficit without raising taxes, streamlining government, enacting a rebate for capital gains taxes, and student scores that are first in national math and science tests. Critics of his tenure say Romney has failed to work with lawmakers to build a credible record, and note that many of his efforts -- to restrict gay marriage, to enact the death penalty, to limit stem cell research -- were rejected or ignored by the Democrat-dominated Legislature.

Asked why he would not want to run for another term, Romney said: ''There was very little that had to spill into a second term that we had any prospects of ever getting done. . . . The vision that I ran for and that I promised to the people of Massachusetts I've delivered to the extent that I possibly can." He choked up briefly as he finished his prepared remarks.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/12/15/its_1_term_for_romney_he_says_future_is_open/


This despicable son-of-a-bitch then abandoned the State. The only reasons we ever see his sorry ass anymore is when he thinks he can squeeze a few more drops of blood from the people of Massachusetts to further his Presidential ambitions. That's why we saw him after the devastating spring floods and after a woman was killed by a tunnel collapse. That tunnel collapse happened, by the way, three 1/2 years into a Romney Administration. It took 'Mr Take Charge' 3 1/2 years to actually give a crap about the Big Dig and then only after someone died. He only cares about Mitt and nothing else.

Romney isn't fit to scrape dog crap off the bottom of John Kerry's boots, never mind debate him on the topic of Homeland Security or the situation in Iraq. Romney is a fraud, a liar, a panderer and someone who will abandon the very people who elected him. I wouldn't vote for him for shit-can collector in hell. And that's the truth.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:19 PM
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6. Oh and one more thing about those floods and Romney
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 12:26 PM by TayTay
Mr. Compassionate Conservative, Mr. 'I want to help Massachusetts home-owners recover from these devastating floods, especially the ones with no insurance,' Mr 'I care about people,' got the following editorial in the Lowell Sun, which is a right-wing publication that favors the death penalty, deportation for illegal aliens without regard to circumstances and endorsed Bush for President in 2004:

Article Launched: 08/07/2006 11:45:30 AM EDT

No relief from Romney
The Lowell Sun

We find it inconceivable that Gov. Mitt Romney claims the state can do nothing to help those residents still struggling to rebuild homes and businesses after the May flood.

Massachusetts is sitting on millions in unspent emergency funds from Hurricane Katrina and more than $1 billion in cash reserves, yet Romney has failed to even respond to the Lowell delegation's requests to discuss additional aid for victims.

The governor's spokesman -- since Romney can't be bothered to comment now that the photo opportunities have dried up even though some residents' basements haven't -- said the state will not consider spending its own money for flood victims until it's clear how much cash the federal government will give.

It's been two months, governor. Many Massachusetts residents are still living in temporary housing or trying to rebuild destroyed basements and first floors, racking up credit-card debt and taking out home-equity loans.

What's wrong with fronting the money and having those loans repaid when, and if, federal agencies come through with more cash?

If ignoring the pleas of legislators and constituents is the way Romney's going to handle a crisis situation, why would anyone vote for him for president? How would he handle a national crisis, by flying in for photo ops and then hiding in his White House office?

The Lowell delegation came up with a plan that includes five ways to channel additional state aid to residents who lost property and possessions to the floodwaters. They're good ideas that deserve consideration. They include: one-time grants of up to $10,000 each for those without flood insurance; one-time grants from Mass. Development for small business owners; and tax deductions.

If Romney wants to tout his Bay State experience in a run for president, he would be wise to make sure he has something to brag about. Helping residents rebuild their homes and businesses would be a good start.


Watch out America. If you think Bush and his minions botched the Katrina response, just wait. You haven't seen real unfeeling and uncaring response until you've seen Mitt Romney. He doesn't give a shit about anyone and could care less about the suffering of others. After all, the only numbers that matter are the ones that get him elected and the numbers that signify campaign contributions. And he will move heaven and earth to get those just right. Suffering voters are just so much rubbish that can be cast aside if they interfere with Mitt and an issue he thinks might sell in the South.

I loathe this clueless, moral-less, unethical and disgusting example of Massachusetts Republicanism. The idea that he might do to America what he has done to Massachusetts is nauseating, to say the least. He must never be elected to anything ever again. He is a curse and a blight on an electorate. And that's the truth.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:46 PM
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9. He is proof that
Bush is not as stupid as they come!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:12 PM
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15. If (heaven forbid) he is the GOP candidate,
this has to be his Katrina. The time line of what he did is worse than Bush on Katrina. Even assuming that he is uncaring, for political reasons I am shocked he is so tone deaf that he did this. (Imagine if he had a brain and realized how good some photos would have looked.)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:06 PM
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14. In addition, the British method was closer to Kerry's than Bush's approach
It sounds like the British got a tip on one person and they followed the bank and communication records that showed these men got money from suspected terrorists in Pakistan.

So,
- carefully constructing the outlines of the terrorist web
- following money and communication
- working with international intelligence peers

Who does this sound like? Bush - who claims attacking countries is the answer? NO, it sounds like Kerry in the University of Philadelphia speech in 2004 and in the NEW WAR in the mid 90s.

If this was real, then it was a British victory - and a victory for a "smarter war" on terrorism. This same approach was also how they quickly solved the July 7th attack last year.

We just got back from a week in St Martin, so we saw pretty little TV - but I never heard one of the Democratic strategists make this point - though we had only a few US channels.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:27 PM
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7. And on a lighter note, I wonder if Sen Kerry will mention this tomorrow
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 12:32 PM by TayTay
at the cookout. I wonder if his 'stump speech' for the good Democratic voters of Massachusetts might contain a reference to the 'alleged Governor' of Massachusetts and his infantile and dangerous ideas on how to keep the country safe.

Gee, I wonder. I will report back on same tomorrow.

By the way, did I ever tell you that I rather dislike my current occupying Governor? I have rather strong anit-Mitt feelings. They spill over from time to time. Ah me, I should remember I am a Duchess and be nicer, but it's hard to be nice to a lying toad like the Mittster.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:43 PM
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8. Tay, I was waiting for your response
I knew this would get your dander up a bit (LOL). You go girl, what a BASTID this pretty boy no nothing is.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:51 PM
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10. He drives Mass Dems insane.
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 12:55 PM by TayTay
If he actually lies his way into some traction in that race next year, the good Dems of Mass will crawl all over themselves to get the truth out about this two-faced, lying, do-nothing posuer of a friggin bastid. (Mittens is the King of the Friggin Bastid patrol. He really is.)

BTW, just so you know, I am rather nice to Mittens in my comments. I know people who really, really hate him and make me look like a little girl at a dolls' tea party in their comments. Just so you know, not everyone in Mass holds back like I do. And if Mittens persists in running for Pres, a job he is spectacularly unfit for, Mass Dems will not hold back. You ain't seen nothing yet honey.

EDIT: I can prove I am restrainted in my comments. I wrote that Romney isn't fit scrape crap off of Sen. Kerry's boot. I could have said worse. That proves my case. I am being nice to the frigin bastid.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:57 PM
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11. Romney is such an asshole
didn't he make fun of Kerry's wartime service ? isn't Romney a chickenhawk?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:26 PM
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12. Compared to Kerry,
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:06 PM
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16. Check out Elias's take
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