KOEB Meeting 2/21/08 Post-Debate Edition

[Berry Cool]

Ready for another hour of Keith?

Or will it just be a Xerox?

[Patsy Stone]

1. Nice picture

:hi:

[crispini]

2. Hi all!

I'm enjoying this tremendously.

Also, I went to a delegate training tonight, so I could tell you ANY little detail you need to know.

Ugh, it's boss hijack. With a PINK TIE and pink shirt? o.O

[Patsy Stone]

4. Not my favorite

outfit.

[Berry Cool]

6. That's actually white and light lilac on the tie, with a white shirt.

And it's not too Boss Hijacky for me.

So how did the training go?

[crispini]

13. Obviously, I must get a new TV asap.

Does MSNBC broadcast in Hi-Def?! :loveya:

The training was good! I am boning up on the minutia. Among other things:
- You may come late, but your presence will not change anything that has already happened.
- You may be elected as a delegate even if you're not there, but if you don't get elected that night, you can't get put on the list later. You can, however, ask the credentials committee at the Senate District level to send you to State.
- We're not starting the caucus until everyone's done voting.

Annnnnnnnnnnnd
- We expect this to be the largest turnout primary EVER. :wow: :scared:

[Berry Cool]

23. Wow.

And yes, I do believe MSNBC broadcasts in Hi-Def, but some people say it's icky because they don't like seeing every pore on Keith's face.

Me, I could live with it. :loveya:

[crispini]

26. it would be worth it to see the twinkle in his eyes. :D nt

[Berry Cool]

41. Oh dear.

I'm not sure I would survive that experience.

[Berry Cool]

3. Keith says "In the middle of oil company" instead of "In the middle of oil country"

Oops. :blush:

[crispini]

5. Well, I think the plagarism thing is silly and just hurt Hillary.

But I thought her ending was stellar. If she had talked like that all along, she'd be winning.

[bleever]

8. I was going to say exactly the same thing.

But then I'd get in trouble.

:)

[Patsy Stone]

11. With whom?

GD: P?

[bleever]

17. Or is it

GD: Pee?

[Berry Cool]

14. I agree. She ended strong.

It was just the rest that wasn't so hot.

"We'll be fine" almost seemed to be the first concession that maybe she will not win.

[Berry Cool]

9. Oh, give me a break, Hill. You will not be ready on Day One.

You'll still be hung over from the inauguration balls, just like everyone else.

[RevCheesehead]

18. LOL!

Cute! Does the winner get the cat?

[crispini]

7. They both totally screwed up the fence answer, IMO.

Fences are dumb, high technology is dumb. Figure out how to fix the root of the problem, LOL.

[Patsy Stone]

10. The answer

lies in Mexico.

I want to hear her ending again. I'm not sure about the "pre-concession speech" theory.

[crispini]

16. I'm not buying it.

She's still trying for it. Maybe.

[Patsy Stone]

21. I think so too

And here's Howard Wolfson to spin it. :eyes:

I agree with you, and I've said it before: she would have won earlier if she'd run by herself as herself. The advisers suck.

[Berry Cool]

28. Yeah, she definitely got bad, bad campaign advice.

Which is all the more shocking, considering who must have been standing right by her side, guiding her in whom to choose and how things should be done.

[Patsy Stone]

31. The whole collapse

is stunning in it's unexpectedness. I would have fired all of them after Iowa. I never expected such a clumsy campaign with no Plan B.

If she pulls this off, it will be an epic tale in American History.

[crispini]

32. Someone else posted that they think Bill's a bit of an egotist

and was unconsciously sabotaging her. Who knows. Did he use Penn and Wolfson?

[Patsy Stone]

42. Binka

posted that to me in a Wolfson/Penn suck thread. I don't think it was on purpose, but they both did her a huge disservice. That makes me a little sad.

[crispini]

45. Yeah. It is sad.

You know, I've always said it was her own business about whether or not she stuck with Bill, but maybe she *should* have kicked him to the curb. :shrug:

[Berry Cool]

46. I think I owe you a Coke

because I was just thinking the same thing...don't tell me the Big Dog sabotaged her in some passive-aggressive way because he didn't WANT her to win?

[RevCheesehead]

12. Do I detect a hint of grey in the Wooly Caterpillars?

Welcome back, everyone! :hi:

[Berry Cool]

19. Hey Cheesy!

Yeah, fences don't work, people. They are a physical solution to a political problem.

[RevCheesehead]

24. Ah, the little "Live" flag is there now.

I honestly don't remember if it was earlier or not.
The impression I got was that his interview with Rachel was live, and the rest was pre-recorded. He did another nice wrap-up of "The Nexus of Terror", and the Baseball Prank was obviously a great deal of fun for him to do. :)

[Berry Cool]

33. I'll have to check my recording and see.

I replayed a little of it during debate commercials, but forgot to look to check whether the "Live" flag was there.

[SeattleGirl]

15. Howdy!

Just got the garbage and recycling drug out to the curb, so I'm all in for the post-game show.

:hi:

[bleever]

20. A question about lady hair:

I've never seen Hillary with any hint of grey in her hair. Is it grey, or just frosting? Did they frost her at the temples to make her look more stately?

[Patsy Stone]

22. There are

so many different colors on her head, I'm putting it off to highlights. :)

[bleever]

34. Hillary and the Amazing

Technicolor Hairdo.

[RevCheesehead]

29. like a cupcake?

[crispini]

35. zomg! so cute! nt

[bleever]

Rat:

"Ewww...there's a human hair on my cupcake!"

[RevCheesehead]

43. me apologies, matey!

Have one of these instead. Arrrgh!

[Berry Cool]

48. Now THOSE are cupcakes with human hairs on 'em!

:rofl:

[bleever]

52. Mmmm...

tastes like rum!

[Berry Cool]

47. Oh, too cute for WORDS!!!!

[SeattleGirl]

49. squeeeee!!!! That is so cute!

[crispini]

25. Hillary's last answer seemed the most sincere and unscripted to me.

I am beginning to think that Wolfson and Penn are totally screwing her up with far too much spin. If they'd just left her alone she would have been fine.

HEY. Those motherfuckers did the same thing to Al Gore! :think:

[SeattleGirl]

27. I agree.

I felt the last answer was completely her, without any coaching from her handlers.

[Berry Cool]

30. Sometimes scripting is the worst thing they do.

[SeattleGirl]

36. No kidding.

I can see someone helping a candidate to hone their message, but sometimes, they just insert their own, and that really doesn't help any candidate.

[RevCheesehead]

39. or the handlers are so far inside Washington,...

they have no idea what will resonate with normal people like us. :eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

44. The whole government in DC just ignores us, for the most part.

And Barack addressed that quite well tonight.

[Berry Cool]

54. Yeah, like these "She's worked the night shift, too" ads.

They're crapola. Totally tineared. Not a working blue-collar person on this planet believes for a second that Hillary knows what it's like to work on your feet all night long for minimum wage. Because they know she doesn't. The fact that she's worked long hours does NOT make her their sista. It just doesn't.

Better that she should have addressed the things that concern people in that position and not attempted to claim she knows what they're going through because she is somehow one of them, but that she is going to help them because she really does CARE about them and is in a position to know the fastest, most effective way to help them.

She shouldn't be pretending to be one of them. She should say "OK, I'm not one of you, but that's the advantage I have that I can put to work for you. Elect me because you matter to me and I will listen to you, and I will use my position to address your concerns."

[crispini]

58. Yeah, she may have worked the night shift one summer when she was 25,

but it's a lot harder to do that all the time when you're 45.

[Berry Cool]

67. She has always been at her best when she's real and not scripted.

Her real self is as strong in its own way as Obama's charisma and magnetism. But she hasn't been using it. She's been using catchphrases and slogans, being loud and strident in a way that sounds strained. (She has sounded hoarse a lot, which hasn't helped.) It's not just sexism that makes her seem worse because of that, either. It just sounds negative, nasty and fake.

And man, that guy who introduced her in Youngstown...THAT guy needed the hook.

[Patsy Stone]

69. Now KO calls Hill on cribbing John Edwards' words.

Uh, oh.

[SeattleGirl]

62. Absolutely correct, Berry!

I was thinking about that today, specifically as it relates to John Edwards. A lot of his critics on DU slammed him because he has a big house, made a lot of money, etc. But guess what? The reality is, you can have all the compassion in the world for those who are down and out, but if you don't have money, or access to it, you won't get as much done for those people as you would if you did have it.

There is nothing wrong with being born into, or working your way into, wealth. But it IS wrong to pretend that you've been in a place that you haven't been. You can have compassion for those less well-off than you; just don't pretend to really be one of those people. Those in the less-well-off group won't appreciate it.

[crispini]

37. Poor Kirk Watson.

What a way to get national TV exposure. :rofl:

[bleever]

38. That spin room looks like

a high school hallway.

[Patsy Stone]

40. I'm thinking

it probably smells like one too.

[bleever]

53. Right Guard and Teen Spirit?

:rofl:

[crispini]

50. I've always liked Sheila Jackson-Lee.

It's interesting she's supporting Hillary, while Eddie Bernice Johnson is supporting Obama.

[crispini]

51. Ok, gang, I kid you not. HRC is appearing here tomorrow AM in a parking lot.

A parking lot.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncenter/event/view/?id=9691

[Berry Cool]

55. Is it a big one?

Or a small one?

[crispini]

61. I have no idea. I may go, just for the heck of it.

After all, when am I ever going to get this opportunity again?

[RevCheesehead]

56. Would it be poor sportsmanship for me to pray for rain?

Too bad she couldn't find a drive-in theater.

[Patsy Stone]

59. Hmmm.

I could see taking people to vote, but this seems like it's after people vote. ???

It's a little Spinal Tap, no?

[crispini]

63. Ah no, we're all voting now.

We'll vote for the next week and a half (early voting) and then the primary is March 4.

Still, a parking lot. :D

[Patsy Stone]

68. I know there's early voting

but the way this reads they aren't taking people in buses over to vote for Hillary. They are telling people to go vote for her and then come see her.

If I was running this, I'd have people meet in the parking lot, and take them to vote first. That wouldn't make her feel so bad, maybe, about having to stump in a parking lot. :)

[crispini]

72. Oh yes, I see the point now.

Yes, that does seem odd.

The whole thing does seem odd.

[Patsy Stone]

79. Wait for it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4707257

[bleever]

57. Rachel looks good.

Pat...not so much.

:rofl:

[Berry Cool]

60. Loved that ad for tomorrow night's Countdown

saying that Friday night will be time for "Keith Magic." :loveya:

[RevCheesehead]

66. Really?

I'm sorry I missed it.

I got hungry for a cupcake, but all I could find was a Little Debbie. :9

[Berry Cool]

75. It was cool.

They put the graphics saying "KEITH MAGIC" over a flowing satin background. Like he was going to do handkerchief tricks.

[RevCheesehead]

84. or maybe something in slinky undergarments?

ooooh! :bounce::bounce:

[Berry Cool]

91. You like making me do this, don't you?

[SeattleGirl]

65. Rachel is gorgeous!

:loveya:

[Berry Cool]

78. You know it's bad when you're straight and you get a girl-crush on her.

[bleever]

80. Or when you're straight and have a man-crush on her.

Maybe she's just a wee bit curious...

[Patsy Stone]

73. She's a total babe.

Pat...not so much.

[crispini]

64. That line of hers "We'll be fine"

reminded me sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much of John Edward's exit speech.

[crispini]

70. zomg! zing! nt

[RevCheesehead]

74. Is this like a double Vulcan mind meld?

:rofl:

[crispini]

77. Jinx!

Cokes all round! :toast:

[RevCheesehead]

71. Oh, zing!

Thank you for crediting John Edwards!!! :applause:

[Berry Cool]

76. Does this make Hill a plagiarist?

:rofl:

[Berry Cool]

82. DAMN, why does MSNBC have to host a debate in Cleveland

and we get stuck with Brian Williams and Mayor McCheese as crappy moderators?????

While Keith gets to sit tight in New York yet again????

No fair. :cry:

[RevCheesehead]

86. You could always show up in the Burger King costume.

Or the Hamburglar.

[Berry Cool]

90. Maybe I should try the Tonya Harding approach.

Whack Brian and Timmeh in the knees and Tweety for good measure so they have no capable anchor left other than...

("Why?? Why??" "'Cause I want Keith in Cleveland, you idiots.")

Um, just kidding, Agent Mike. O8)

[crispini]

81. Night guys!

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

83. G'nite

:hi:

[RevCheesehead]

87. Give 'em hell, Crispi!

:hi:

[WolverineDG]

85. Some observations from Clinton Land

:hi:

Just got back from my debate watching party at HQ. First off, Hillary's body language said it all. Clenched jaw, sitting with her body turned away from Barack, & then moving visibly away from the Univision anchor when he asked the bilingual question. Dagger eyes, clenched jaws again, scribbling notes. Trying to score points by naming (but not quoting) legendary Texans Barbara Jordan & Ann Richards. I lost the pool---I had Molly Ivins & Cesar Chavez. :( I swear she would have been struck by lightning had she mentioned Molly's name.

Barack came back well by quoting Barbara Jordan, not simply noting that today is her birthday.

The Xerox comment got boos around the room. Wowzer. I cannot believe she (a) came up with that on her own or (b) thought it would score points.

They had to re-ask a question because she kept rattling on about health care (get as much free exposure as possible).

The last statement came across as phony. Sorry, folks, it seemed to us that she was describing those poor vets in an attempt to make herself choke up &/or cry. Reaching out for Barack after spending the entire debate pulling away from him = not a good move either.

The parting shots of the candidates showed her with two local suck ups, who were roundly booed. :evilgrin:

dg

[RevCheesehead]

88. That Xerox remark is gonna bite her in the ass.

Especially since she stole her closing from Edwards. :evilgrin:

[Berry Cool]

89. I checked...sure enough, the "Live" flag was missing on a lot of the early show.

Keith did prerecord.

Edit: It's missing on ALL of the show. Even the part with Rachel.

Yep, Keith needed to watch the debate. Even HE wasn't around for Countdown tonight, so to speak.