KOEB 6/20/05 (from LA!!!!!!)...actually a case of Keithus Interruptus...

[Berry Cool]

Keith says...



"I missed YOU so much--yes, YOU--that I HAD TO COME BACK TONIGHT! And DON'T FORGET to watch me on Leno later tonight!"

"...ah, but sorry, I could only stay for 20 minutes...gotta do Leno...ASTB'ers, you guys take over, will ya?....I'm outta here." *scoot*

[Patsy Stone]

1. Hey, Berry!

I'm so glad KO just dissed Goss and his statement that we have to observe the sovereignty of nations in the search for Bin Laden.

And Tom (I'm short!) Cruise has NO sense of humor!

Glad you're back, KO: :loveya::loveya:

[SharonRB]

2. This is a nice surprise

I thought Alison was going to be subbing tonight.

[Catchawave]

3. Very nice surprise....

...Keith in La-La Land :)

[Patsy Stone]

16. And I'm in La-La Land

just seeing him. :)

:loveya:

Also, he's got a lot of meat to sink his teeth into tonight. There's so much going wrong for the * Administration that it's like a smorgasbord.

[Patsy Stone]

12. Hey, Sharon!

I thought AS was on the Today Show? I know she was on last week, but is she still with Countdown too? I can't stand Alex Witt. Sorry, Alex. I'm sure you're a lovely person. :)

[SharonRB]

18. Alison is on The Today Show, but

I heard on another board that she was going to be subbing tonight. Guess they decided Alex was too boring and not snarky enough. I like her on the regular news, but not on Countdown.

[RevCheesehead]

I keep telling you guys they read these threads!

If you look at the KOEB posts on Thursday and Friday, it's obvious that even WE were having difficulty in being "loyal."

There is no substitute for Keith. :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

36. Without a doubt, Rev.

Hi! How are ya? :hi:

[RevCheesehead]

38. I be great, Patsy.

:hi: How's life treating you, woman?

[Patsy Stone]

45. I'm very happy.

And KO gave us this little gift. Really, I have nothing to complain about that a little time travel couldn't fix. :)

[sparky_in_ma]

138. Alison is right for countdown

Alex is smart, but doesn't fit in, snark wise. I'd go out with her though.:D

[Patsy Stone]

148. Nice. :) n/t

[gkhouston]

219. yeah, and you'd probably stay in with her, too.

always willing to make the sacrifice, you are. My hero. :loveya:

[Clark2008]

4. Is this the thread, then?

I'm guessing Bunny's gearing up for TOMORROW night!! :rofl:

:hug: Bunny! :7

[SharonRB]

6. Hi, Clark!

:hi:

[Catchawave]

8. LOL....we should use it for tommorrow night!

I just told her that :)

[bunny planet]

55. I know Clark, I'm so silly.

KO had Tuesdays with Saddam posted, maybe he thinks it's Tuesday too.

[WolverineDG]

120. it might be the title of the article

when they showed a shot of the magazine article written about the 2 guards, i think the title said "tuesdays with saddam."


dg

[Patsy Stone]

58. Right?

Sometimes we get excited. :hi:

He absolutely kicked butt tonight, and now Alison's gonna tell us how much Bolton isn't going to become UN ambassador. Yesssss...

[crispini]

5. He's here, live from LA!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Bless him, he knew we were going through withdrawal. :loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

Hi ladies! :hi: I'm back tooooooo! :7

edit: anyone else hearing a weird echo on the guy commenting from NYC?

[SharonRB]

7. Hi, Crispi

:hi:

Looks like we finally have a nice crowd tonight. Nice to see everyone.

[crispini]

9. Hi Sharon RB! We're smokin!

and more on DSM! yay!

he's lookin' kind of orange tonight, eh? must be the different lights and/or makeup.

gawd, I love these quotes. TASTY.

[SharonRB]

15. Maybe he got too much sun at the ballgame!

[Berry Cool]

218. He looked a little sunburned to me.

Perhaps it was just alien West Coast makeup people, but I thought it looked as if he maybe basked in the sun at the Angels game and paid for it later.

Oh well, that'll happen to a New Yorker who's been in all winter. Can't wait to get a bit of a tan.

[Clark2008]

10. He's had a haircut!

And thus far, this newscast is kicking all kinds of ass!!! :bounce:

Where is bin Laden?
Goss slam.
Downing Street Memo.

Man, where else can you find such heavy hitting!? I mean, other than when Wes Clark lets loose on Bush. :7

[crispini]

17. Is it a haircut, or is it just the light?

For some reason they've decided to light him all on one side.

Hi Clark2008! How ya doin? :hi:

"Multiple leakers here" -- how I *love* the sound of that. Keep it coming, people! I loooooooove you, leakers! :loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

[Clark2008]

25. Fine!

:hi:

How are you and your fuzzy pink-lined handcuffs? :7

[crispini]

40. I'm doing faaaabulous!

Been a busy little activist with a headful of ideas to change the world, or at least my immediate area.

I just wish I could figure out some way to do activist stuff (training, precinct development, grassroots stuff) as a fulltime job. :7

[WolverineDG]

134. Did I tell you my theory, Crispy?

On the memos coming out? I can't recall if I did, but it bears repeating.

While I was in London, the newspapers & media there were going on & on & on about 2 things that got very little play here due to the missing teen in Aruba story. The first story was Live 8 (in fact, my cousin & I were interviewed by the BBC about it while we were wandering around Trafalgar Square), & the second story was about Blair's trip the US & how he was counting on calling in a big favor (or should that be "favour") from Bush re: aid for Africa. Bush, of course, never feels he should repay his debts, so essentially gave Blair, who put his political career on the line by backing the war in Iraq, the finger. There were many reports & stories about Blair coming back empty-handed & having to scrounge for something in order to save face because of Bush's refusal to back him on the aid to Africa issue.

So, just in case anyone from Countdown is reading this (Hi KO, wear the gray suit for me, 'k?), for the above reason, I think the main leaker in the DSM scandal is Tony Blair himself, so you might want to start there when trying to discover where the leaks are coming from now. Blair's political career is over, finito, finis, his back remains itchy but unscratched, & all that remains now is to collect his title & seat in the House of Lords. What's left in it for him to support Bush's policies now?

dg

[RevCheesehead]

137. That's fascinating, and sounds like it might well be true.

I wonder what Greg Palast knows about it? or is he only doing the election fraud coverage?

[crispini]

143. Wow, great theory.

And very, very interesting.

Leak, Brits, whoever you are! Leak like a sieve, yeah!

[crispini]

11. Ok, now the Washington remote audio is sounding odd to me.

Is it my television or what? it sounds like an echo on the audio.

"Real failure of leadership." Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Hey, is the text of ALL the DSM's collected somewhere, ya'll know? I feel behind.

[Berry Cool]

14. I AM SO DELIGHTED!!!!

My only disappointment is I tuned in TEN MINUTES LATE!!!!

Oh well, I will have to catch it somehow on the re-air, and just hope it's not while he's on Leno, or get my sister to do it!!

[bunny planet]

84. Oh that's right, he said he'd be on Leno tonight. I never watch Leno

but tonight perhaps I'll have to make an exception.

:loveya:

[sparky_in_ma]

98. Hi Bunny

:hi: He's on Leno tonite?

[bunny planet]

114. Sparky!!!!!!!!!!

Hi.
:loveya:

[Clark2008]

22. Here:

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/

[crispini]

44. Thanks! nt

[RevCheesehead]

13. If this is the KOEB, please edit the title of the post.

You all are confusing me! :silly:

[RevCheesehead]

19. Thank you, Berry.

For Keith: :loveya::loveya::loveya:

For everyone else: :hi::toast:

[Rhiannon12866]

20. YAY! He's back!

I turned on "Countdown" with reluctance and trepidation, only to be most pleasantly surprised!:D

[SharonRB]

23. You and all the rest of us

No one expected him to be on tonight!

[Rhiannon12866]

31. I sure didn't!

So what was going on with him at the end of last week? The flight's not that long!:shrug:

[Catchawave]

60. Ahhhhh, A Keith Quickie.....

...I'll take it :loveya:

[crispini]

21. I don't know much about Joe Biden,

but, IF his negative remarks about Howard Dean are as reported (I have yet to read a transcript), he can bite me BIGTIME, re: 2008. We Democrats need to learn to stick the fuck together, and I'm tired of these whiny DINOs that don't do so.

[SharonRB]

27. He kicked ass at the Bolton hearing last month

Whoever, and I mean whoever, ultimately gets the nomination, we will all need to be united and stick together even if it's not our first choice. I'm still very undecided about the primary, but it's a long way away and a lot can change between now and then.

[crispini]

48. Oh, I agree, Kerry was not my first choice

but that didn't keep me from spending a week in Arkansas canvassing for him. And you're right, we need to focus on 06. Yeah baby! We're going to have a bitchin coordinated campaign in my county. Dallas County WILL be blue in 06. Yipppeee!

[Patsy Stone]

42. Some of his dissing was on the Daily Show.

Deserting Dean about the Repug comments. Blecchh, Joe.

Hi, crispi! It's a little like Christmas. :)

[crispini]

51. Hi Pats! Yes, bonus Keef is good Keef, eh? :)

[Patsy Stone]

62. Any Keef, darling. :)

And good for you and your activist self! You go!!!

[Rhiannon12866]

49. I was disappointed in Biden's remarks, as well.

I really liked that he was finally stepping up to the plate and speaking out, after that Gonzales nonsense. But I was very frosted at what he said about Dean. He's doing exactly what he was elected to do, speaking out and energizing the party! Too many other Dems have just been wimps for far too long! And it's not like Dean said anything that didn't need to be said or wasn't true.:grr:

And I completely agree with you that what we need to do now is stick together. If I know this, I can't understand why a veteran like Biden can't see it. That's been the problem for far too long, infighting and bickering and attacking each other. We know who the enemy is, and it ain't us!:mad:

[RevCheesehead]

57. It's supposedly called "moving to the center."

But why Joe seems to think he needs to do that is beyond me. :shrug:

Do we really need to nominate another Dem from the east coast? Joe didn't do too well in 1988 (but that may have been the pre-hairplugs).

[Patsy Stone]

65. Remember, he's not only a member... :)

No one needs to move to the center. Move to the LEFT! :) Loved that Daily Show bit about Dean and it being, "the Jager." :)

[Rhiannon12866]

79. Obviously, I agree with you, since Kucinich was my candidate

But my choice for 2008 is whichever one can win!

But I've also had it with "the center." Clinton, while I still like and respect the man, is a centrist, and his cozying up to the Bushes makes my blood boil!

I must have seen that bit on "The Daily Show," but I can't remember it now.:shrug:

[Patsy Stone]

95. Loved Kucinich. Still do.

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=15662

Here you go, it's about 3 minutes in...

[Berry Cool]

142. Argh. I was afraid someone would mention Kucinich.

Kucinich sucked as mayor of Cleveland. He would do no better as president.

Sorry, but he would NOT be my choice.

[Patsy Stone]

163. Didn't think he had a chance

But I was pleased with the issues he brought to the table. I was behind JK.

For JK: :loveya:

[Rhiannon12866]

198. I agree. He, along with Sharpton, were the ones who weren't afraid

To speak out, probably because they really were the underdogs in the race. I found Kucinich positively inspiring to listen to. I really miss hearing him.:-(

[Berry Cool]

233. I didn't find Kucinich at ALL inspiring

when his bullheaded stubbornness helped put Cleveland into default in 1978. Reminded me of a certain President we all know and don't like...that brand of stubbornness.

[Rhiannon12866]

178. Thank you! I DID see this! And, yes, this was VERY good!

But it tells you how really bad the news media is, in this country, that to get coverage of so many stories, you have to turn to Comedy Central.:crazy:

Or Keith. He and Jon Stewart were the only ones to keep hammering away at Jeff Gannon. *sigh* Even Bill Maher threw him softballs.:-(

[Rhiannon12866]

69. I've had ENOUGH of "the center"

And it's hardly like Dean is some kind of flaming liberal! Yikes!

My personal choice and my original candidate was Dennis Kucinich, but I'm realistic. I would have been fine with any of the ten candidates from 2004, with the exception of Joe Lieberman.

[crispini]

73. Damn right, girl.

The center is causing us to LOSE elections! We need to stand up for what we believe in and explain it clearly and frame it right and we will WIN! Because we really do believe in what's good for the country, most of us Dems anyway. :shrug:

[Rhiannon12866]

106. Thank you. You are exactly right!

While I genuinely liked and admired Kerry, I was continually frustrated with his refusal to differentiate himself enough from Bush*! You're exactly right! He wasn't clear! Like Al Franken is always hammering away about, Kerry didn't vote for the war! He voted to give the president the authority to use force so he could take it to the U.N., get the inspectors back in and avoid a war! So why didn't he just say so?! Yikes!

And when the repugs try to twist what the dems are saying, that we don't support the troops or are glad that they're being killed in such large numbers, we have to hit back and hard, with what we really are saying! A loud clear message!

Whew! Got that out of my system, LOL!:D

[RevCheesehead]

118. Do you feel better now?

It was a beautiful rant. I agreed with everything you said. :applause:

[Rhiannon12866]

131. Yes, thank you so much! LOL!

I can finally relax now, with that out of my system.:hi:

And thanks for the compliment and the applause, LOL! I sometimes get so frustrated that I will talk to near strangers! When the woman from my vet's office called me, just before the election, to remind me that my dog had an appointment, I couldn't help myself and had to ask her who she planned to vote for, LOL! Fortunately, for her, she gave the right answer!:D

[gkhouston]

220. the middle of the road...

is a good place to find a dead armadillo. That's all I've got to say about the center. :-)

[Berry Cool]

Except for the part about the Repugs being all white Christians.

Come on, you know that's not true. In the GOP you don't have to be white or Christian, or even rich...all you have to do is be anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-certain other things...

I'd LIKE to like Dean more. I just think he sticks his foot in his mouth sometimes. Sorry.

Then again, I have no particular loyalties to any party, except for what I believe in. (Gosh, I admitted it. Please don't throw me out, everyone.)

[crispini]

71. 85% of Republicans are white Christians...

sounds like "most" to me. :7

And, the more I learn about Dean the more I think that his so-called "gaffes" are deliberate. Notice how he got really quiet in the two months after he got the DNC chair position, and since then, has been periodically do this stuff to get himself to the news? He's one smart cookie, IMO. And I'm not really even a hard-core Deaniac -- I just agree with a LOT of what he's trying to do with the Democratic party. I think we need to reclaim our government from the corporatists and make it back into a government by the people, for the people, and I think Dean gets that, whereas not ALL Democrats do....

[RevCheesehead]

72. But, that's what Dean does so well...

He says out loud the things we're all thinking, and he takes the heat for it. That's part of the revised job-description for the Chair. Then the others can "distance themselves" if they wish.

Remember when he called BS on all the terror alerts? They sure stopped doing that as soon as he called them on it. I'm radical enough to say we NEED Howard Dean. Our prophet. Our Truth-Teller.

[Clark2008]

82. It's OK, Berry.

I am still a registered Independent.

In fact, I probably still am, but the Reich-wing have galloped so far to the right that I'm now a liberal by comparison. :7

[Clark2008]

70. Not my Clark!!

He stood right on up for Howard Dean and said that he's proud of him and that the Dem Party needs to stand up for itself.

Rock 'em, sock 'em General!

[crispini]

75. yep. I approve of the General.

He's a fighter.

[SharonRB]

I voted for Clark in the primary

and would like to see him make another run in '08.

[RevCheesehead]

101. Unfortunately, he dropped out right before the WI primary.

He would have had my vote, and probably a great many votes here. I do hope he decides to run again. Although, the WI dems said Russ Feingold kicked ass at the convention last week. He also hinted rather strongly that he IS thinking about running. :)

[sparky_in_ma]

145. I'll second that.

:patriot:

[sparky_in_ma]

141. I'll give that an Amen.

Dean is doing his job. Fellow Democrats shouldn't be dissing him in public.

[Berry Cool]

172. A collection of thoughts…

aimed at no one in particular...

I think Wolverine’s idea of Blair as “Deep Throat” of the DSMs is intriguing…

About the “we all have to stick together” stuff…well, I guess Democrats do. But for those of us who vote for people and not parties, well…we are going to have to make our decisions based on our personal consciences. And for once, it would be nice to be able to go to the polls and vote for someone without having to hold my nose because he is at least better than the alternative. Unfortunately that is how I all too often feel about the Dems…they’re better than the alternative.

To my mind, the problem the Dems have is not that they aren’t “left” enough. The problem is that they have let the Repugs co-opt not only the far right, but the MIDDLE. And the middle--one side of it or the other--is where most people live.

I believe the Dems will never be strong again until they can get more votes than they are currently getting in the center. If they hang their hats with people like Kucinich who are so far left they are falling off the edge of the earth, or someone like Dean who is easy for the Repugs to deride because he says things that make the whole party look prejudicial and bad like the unwise “Repugs are all white Christians” accusation, they will NOT regain the center. It’s that simple. It is easy not to like people like that. Yet it is easy for some to like people who smile in your face while robbing you blind, especially if they can scare someone easily with specters of gay marriage...which is why the Repugs get elected again and again. (That and election theft...but that's another story.)

They will also not get anywhere by being virulently anti-corporate (part of Kucinich’s problem as I see it). To get somewhere you must work WITH big business, not paint it as the root of all evil. It’s not. It’s the root of SOME evil. Not ALL.

Rhiannon, I think you are right about one thing: The Dems need to differentiate themselves. And they need to do a much better job of defending themselves when the Repugs twist what they say. But I do not think the way to do this is to go off the left deep end. The way to do it is to take back the image of being the compassionate party that cares about people. They need to say "We care about human beings and their freedom...and that is why we have the values we have and are for the things we are for."

How did they ever let the Repugs co-opt the image of being the party of liberty and freedom while they are at the same time busy hurting and bringing the hammer down on people right and left? THAT is what the Dems have to ask themselves. Because if they don’t find a way to address that…they will keep being victims of, at best, close elections that are stolen from them.

I’m kind of like Clark…I am so sick of the Reich-wing that they make me look like a wacky liberal. Just as they make Keith look like a wacky liberal to his detractors. But the truth is, I don’t go with the wacked-out left either…I would like a clear alternative that is a bit left of center, but is strong enough to actually WIN something and get somewhere and get something accomplished that will undo some of the bad done by all these years of living in Bushistan.

And I think it stinks that you can’t vote in a primary without declaring a party.

Off my soapbox now. *whew*

[RevCheesehead]

175. Come to Wisconsin.

We have open primaries. And beer. :toast:

[sparky_in_ma]

177. Bad beer.

:evilgrin:

[RevCheesehead]

183. No, no, no, no, no...

Good beer.... BAD SPARKY! :spank:

(that's twice so far - you wanna go for three?)

[sparky_in_ma]

185. The cheese is good

not the beer.:hug:

[RevCheesehead]

190. OK -

minus one :spank: for being so :loveya:
(I'm a pushover)

[Berry Cool]

194. Sorry, I'm just an Ohio gal at heart.

and I am staying here because one of these days we are going to TAKE BACK OUR STATE...

[bunny planet]

93. Biden really bothers me. I'm old enough to remember his little plagiarism

problem, although I'm also old enough to have forgotten the details. His vote on the Bankrupcy bill was despicable (said in a Daffy Duck accent) and his treatment of Anita Hill sucked big time too. Some things you just don't forget Joe, even though you've got those big whitened choppers smiling at us. Also don't remember being too fond of him telling Alberto 'Torquemada' Gonzales that he was 'the real deal' before he voted to confirm him. WTF.

[RevCheesehead]

121. He plaigerized his stump speech from some Brit.

It was nearly word-for-word. That kind of thing not only dropped him out of the 88 race, but it will come back to haunt him. (Remember Gary Hart and "Monkey Business"?)

[bleever]

159. Neil Kinnock.

Hey Cheese, how is yo' bad self?

:hi:

[RevCheesehead]

162. Bleever!

I thought of you today. There was a thread in the Lounge, called "Worst Pirate Pick-Up Lines." ;) Arrgh!

[sparky_in_ma]

169. I saw that

:rofl:

[bleever]

199. Hi sparks! Here's my worst pirate pickup line:

Hey there, wenchalicious, you wanna see what's under the patch?


;)

[sparky_in_ma]

201. I'll keep an eye out for yer.

;)

[RevCheesehead]

202. Oddly enough, that works for me.

:evilgrin:

[bleever]

208. Good! Saves shipping on the poster!

:)

[RevCheesehead]

209. I still want the poster, Bucky. n/t

[bleever]

212. Alas: I am no Bucky.

And suddenly the posters are back-ordered! The response has been tremendous!



And seriously, I like Keef's reaction. He said something along the lines of Yeah, I wanted to be an astronaut when I grew up, but I let the adult me make the decision!

[RevCheesehead]

214. That's "Bucky" - NOT as a badger,

but short for "Buccaneer." Arrgh! ;)

[sparky_in_ma]

136. Biden is not on my short list.

x(

[bunny planet]

24. Whoooo Hoooooooooooo

KO is such a class act. I knew he'd cover the minutes in his own way and thoroughly. Downing Street Drumbeat indeed. That was GREAT.
I'm on a cloud of hopefulness now.
Back from a great trip to Nashville. This is a splendid coming home surprise.

Love you Keef.
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[crispini]

28. Hi Bun Bun!

We'reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee back!

And, damn, I missed ya'll! (Although I had a boatload of fun in Austin learning to be a kickass activist, and meeting WolverineDG.)

What's up with the shirtless guard photos in GQ?

[Clark2008]

33. They look like babies!

So very, very young!

[bunny planet]

39. Hi Crispi.

I missed you too.

I was in Nashville cause I have a gallery there and I had an exhibition. GReat fun, great town, great people, sold lots of work. Even had beaucoup fun with the Repub sister in law.

That's so great that you met Wolverine. I tried to hook up with Clark before I went but it didn't work out this time.

Clark I'll be going back soon, promise to give you more lead time.

Here's a pic of me with the sister-in-law. She insisted on driving me past Fristula's new McMansion being built. I practically puked on the lawn but the rest of the trip was awesome.



So great that KO (with a slight tan I might add) appeared just to report the DSM story. He is the greatest.

[crispini]

91. What a great pic!

Sounds like you're doing well! yay!

Frist's house, eh? I would find it hard to resist the urge to post a big sign saying "CATKILLER" across the street. Man, I hope he gets the nomination. Can you imagine the bumperstickers we could make with the catkiller story? Every single one of my friends and acquaintances would know him as "catkiller."

[bunny planet]

191. I know. I actually was physically sick going past his house, felt like I

was in the presence of evil.

I've been emailing Robert Kennedy Jr's article about thimerasol and autism around to lots of people. It specifically mentions Frist's role in 'slipping in' the addendum to the Homeland Security bill indemnifying Eli Lilly for any responsibility if kids are hurt by the neurotoxin Thimerasol preservative in vaccines. My son was hurt by one of those very vaccines (he's OK now after years of help and intervention) and that is the main reason I despise Frist, as if there aren't lots of reasons of course.

Even my sister in law doesn't like him because of the catkiller stories. She's a Republican but a real animal lover.

[RevCheesehead]

204. Bunny, do you have a link to that article?

I'm allergic to thimerasol (found that out with my contact lens solutions years ago). I'd be interested in learning about the details.

[bunny planet]

205. I'll try to find it Rev. It was on Salon and reposted at truthout.org

Someone on DU had it on the greatest page earlier in the day. I'll go find it for you if I can.

Here it is:

Deadly Immunity
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Salon.com

Thursday 16 June 2005

A Salon/Rolling Stone joint investigation.
When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data - and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.



(Image: Salon.com)

In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session - only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines - thimerosal - appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants - in one case, within hours of birth - the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

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But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.

"We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared flatly that the study "should not have been done at all" and warned that the results "will be taken by others and will be used in ways beyond the control of this group. The research results have to be handled."

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The drug companies are also getting help from powerful lawmakers in Washington. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, has been working to immunize vaccine makers from liability in 4,200 lawsuits that have been filed by the parents of injured children. On five separate occasions, Frist has tried to seal all of the government's vaccine-related documents - including the Simpsonwood transcripts - and shield Eli Lilly, the developer of thimerosal, from subpoenas. In 2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism. Congress repealed the measure in 2003 - but earlier this year, Frist slipped another provision into an anti-terrorism bill that would deny compensation to children suffering from vaccine-related brain disorders. "The lawsuits are of such magnitude that they could put vaccine producers out of business and limit our capacity to deal with a biological attack by terrorists," says Andy Olsen, a legislative assistant to Frist.

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http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/061605HA.shtml

[Berry Cool]

215. The worst thing about the cat-killing of Frist is

that he didn't just adopt cats from the local shelter to kill and dissect them for his medical studies, but...he actually KEPT THEM AS PETS for a few days before he killed them.

In other words, he let them get to know and trust him first...animals who probably had little reason to know or trust anyone...who had finally come to conclude that this guy meant well, he was going to keep them and take care of them...and THEN he killed them.

THAT is sick.

[bunny planet]

222. He is pond scum (no offense to pond scum).

[Clark2008]

94. I hate that I missed you, too!

:cry:

I would have come on out had I not been saving for my trip to Little Rock in three weeks.

Going out for a Clarkie Convention and to learn about activist stuff!

[bunny planet]

223. That's so cool. Have a great time.

I'm going to go back soon. It was such a blast and I have more business coming up there. We'll get it together to meet next time I'm sure.

[gkhouston]

224. you'll need a palate-cleansing with Clark

after some time with the in-laws. :-)

[bunny planet]

225. They are OK as long as we do not talk politics. We can even talk about

religion and spirituality, art, animals, pretty much everything except politics. At one point my sister in law started ranting about Kerry in the car and I just asked her why she hated him so much. Turns out she got all her information from Faux News, no surprise she'd be frothing at the mouth about him if that was her source. I'd given her my copy of Outfoxed to watch but her husband, who is more of a wingnut than she is, refused to allow it to be shown in his house. He wasn't there this weekend, otherwise it would have been much more difficult to keep my cool. Would have had to thump him a few times and it might have gotten ugly.

[Berry Cool]

229. Sneak her a copy of the "Outfoxed" book!

It's poorly edited, or at least more poorly than I like to think I would have edited it, but educational anyway. She can read it on the sly.

[SharonRB]

29. I wondered where you'd been

Hope you had a great trip. Did Mr. Bunny and the little bunnies all go with you?

[bunny planet]

43. Hi Sharon!!!!!!!!!!

HOw's by you doll?

[Patsy Stone]

56. Hey, bunny!

Missed you, woman. Good for you with the show's success! And that's a cool picture. :)

[bunny planet]

74. Patsela.

:hi:
Missed you too.
I'm glad to be back but my sis had two adorable animals that I am in the throws of withdrawal from. Don't get me wrong, I have my own sweetie pie kitties. Dusty Springfield would be insulted if she knew I had fallen in love with another cat (in a red state no less) but I am pining over the Dr. Schmoo the cat and Kim the dog.

[Patsy Stone]

102. :)

Understood. I need a puppy. :hi:

And lovely to see you. You got a great KO night! :loveya: and the bonus of his being on Leno (minus, of course, Leno). :)

[bunny planet]

111. Is he subbing for Leno?

That would be a dream come true.

I didn't catch it but apparently that reporter whose name escapes me who we like that is on Countdown all the time subbed for Tweetie and interviewed Barbara Boxer about Bolton and let her smackdown someone named Allen. Anybody see that?

I'll catch up with ya'll later, got to watch 6 ft.Under.

[Patsy Stone]

127. Just a guest. n/t

[RevCheesehead]

132. Wasn't that David Gregory?

I always think he needs a "last name" to that pseudonym.

And yes, I saw that part of the show, before switching over to Law and Order. :)

[SharonRB]

67. I'm just fine

I forgot about your show in Nashville. Glad you and the sister-in-law got along on this trip. Nice photo!

I've now met a few other DUers. We went to 5thgendemocrat's Funday on Saturday. Most of the crowd was made up of his friends from Saginaw, but we met a few really great DUers -- Mrs. Grumpy and PassingFair and their hubbys and kids are great and we plan to get together with them. We also met Ohio Blues and her husband, Love Ohio Blues, who drove up fro Cincinnati, and Mich Otter and his wife. There wasn't a very good DU turnout.

[bunny planet]

78. Wow you have been busy schmoozing with the DUs. That's great.

[Patsy Stone]

26. A Mommie Dearest reference!!!

Damn, I love that movie!!!

"When you clean the floor, you have to MOVE the tree!" :)

[RevCheesehead]

30. Aw, here comes the back-up quarterback.

It's like the Packers Pre-season. You get Brett in the first quarter, then he's benched. :(

[crispini]

32. Wow! A handoff to Alison!

And he's off to record the Tonight Show! How sweet is that that he comes by to do half a newscast? :loveya: I find that incredibly indearing for some reason.

I do like Alison more than the Alex chicka.

[SharonRB]

35. Guess what I heard wasn't totally wrong

There's something for everyone tonight. Where are the guys?

[sparky_in_ma]

104. Alison is much better

She will be mine.:loveya:

[Botany]

135. Crispini ....

Yes she was witless .... poor girl she has never been snarked .....
@ least right! :evilgrin:

Maybe I am spoiled by Perky Girl, Alison "Stop by and snark me sometime"
Stewart, and one other female ..... :rofl: She was tough to watch. I see
her more as a home shopping channel sort of babe ..... only 32 of these
"Diamond a Nique 22 carrot drop pendents ...... left ..... call now."

btw you are my fav EDV

[Patsy Stone]

34. Thanks, KO! YOu knew we missed you and Alison!

So, she's still here and I couldn't be more pleased... Yay, Countdown! :loveya:

Break a leg on Leno, KO. :loveya:

[Sydnie]

37. Hi All - wicked mad number of threads about our Keef in many forums

tonight. Everyone is excited to see him cover the DSM! Yeah Keef! :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[RevCheesehead]

41. No one can do it quite like Keith.

Hi, Sydnie. :hi:

[Sydnie]

54. Hi Rev sweetie

You have been in my thoughts a great deal lately. I hope everything is good with you these days. How is your mom?

A :hug: just for you!

[RevCheesehead]

64. Doing well, but things were very busy last week.

Church conference Sun-Wed, wedding rehearsal & dinner Fri, Wedding & reception Saturday, church & confirmation (& party) on Sunday. Today, I slept in. :)

Mom's doing OK, thanks for asking.

[Patsy Stone]

46. Hey, Syd.

It's 'cuz he rocks so hard! :)

[Berry Cool]

52. Actually, I was going to use a baseball metaphor.

Too bad Keith had to leave the mound in the fourth inning...he was pitching a no-hitter!!!!

Welcome back, Bun-Bun! Thanks for the photo too!

I have to go get my cats some food before they kill me, but I'll be back...

[Sydnie]

61. Patsy honey, you got that right!

:hi: Long time no see! I did see that you had a good trip. Glad you made it there and back safely.

[Patsy Stone]

68. Thanks, and it really is nice to be back.

It's seems we're testosterone-lite this evening, but they didn't know Alison was going to be on, I'm sure. :)

[Sydnie]

88. There was a Botany sighting in this thread about Keef earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3905489 :rofl:

[RevCheesehead]

47. *snort*

"Keithus Interruptus" :rofl:

So where ARE our fine gentlemen tonight? :shrug:

[Patsy Stone]

50. No cloture!

Ah, it is good... Bolton sucks...

[crispini]

63. Yaaaaaay! good for our Dems!

they SHOULD drag their feet. He sounds like quite the horse's ass. That gal who lives in Dallas who was talking about how awful he is -- she's a friend of a very good friend.

[Patsy Stone]

66. The.Worst. n/t

[Clark2008]

76. What gal in Dallas?

Did I miss something? (Had to fix the munchkin a plate of food).

[crispini]

80. Oh, it came out back when the Bolton nomination was still in

committee. The gal who worked with him somewhere in Central Asia and he stalked her all over her hotel and made her life hell and generally behaved like a nut. She testified to the committee over the phone. Not on Countdown tonight, old news.


Hope they find this little boy scout. :(

[crispini]

53. LOL, the Chicken Dance.

Haven't tossed out some floaties to our friends doin' the audio lately, so here ya go! :loveya:

[crispini]

59. LOL, I just saw a commercial for the Al Franken show on the

Sundance Channel.

Somebody knows who watches Countdown. :P

[sparky_in_ma]

77. Late...but I'm here.

:D

[crispini]

81. Sparky!

And your girl has her hair down tonight. She does look nice, if I say so myself.

Can't believe MJ had a big ol' party to celebrate his getting off. That just seems kind of unseemly. And if I were that juror, I sure wouldn't have attended that party. Even MORE unseemly.

[sparky_in_ma]

86. I was invited to MJ's party

but the last time I went, he touched me.:-(

[Patsy Stone]

108. LOFL!

That was hysterical! :toast: :hi:

[sparky_in_ma]

117. Hi Patsy

What? You think I'm too old for him? :hi:

[Patsy Stone]

126. Happily and luckily, yes. :) n/t

[crispini]

115. LOL!

:rofl:

[SharonRB]

83. Hi, Sparks!

:hi:

Anyone think these disappearances could be similar to the Johnny Gosch disappearance? Bodies are never found...part of the supposed porn kidnapping ring...

[sparky_in_ma]

89. Hi Sharon

The capacity for pure evil in mankind never ceases to astound me.:(

[RevCheesehead]

87. Hey, Sparky.

There are TONS of floaty-hearts on the floor. I hope you still have the industrial-sized broom in the back room. :)

[sparky_in_ma]

92. Hi Cheese

:loveya: I missed you ladies. It's been a busy week.

[RevCheesehead]

97. It's only Monday -

To which week do you refer? This one? :)

[sparky_in_ma]

100. Last week

I haven't been on the computer much before 9:00 in a week.

[RevCheesehead]

110. I think I made it here only on Thursday...

and Alex was rather disappointing, to say the least.

Welcome back! It's good to have you here. :hug:

[sparky_in_ma]

119. I needed an estrogen fix

and Alex wasn't doing it. But to quote Botany: I'd hit it.:evilgrin:

[RevCheesehead]

125. Oh-oh.

You did it now: :spank:

We've got plenty of estrogen, and YOU'VE got plenty of snark! :)

[sparky_in_ma]

130. LOL

Thanks...I needed that.:P

[Sydnie]

103. Hi Sparky darlin'

Long time no see! Hope things are swell with you these days! :loveya:

[sparky_in_ma]

109. Hi Syndie

It's going great here. I'm going with my parents to Gloucester tomorrow. A nice day trip.:loveya:

[Sydnie]

133. Gloucester should be perfect this time of year

Not too hot, not too cold, nice sea breeze ... sounds like a little bit of heaven. Have fun!! :hi:

[Patsy Stone]

85. Michelle Kozinski (sp?)

Used to be here in So. Fla. I can't keep track anymore. But, I do miss the train wreck that IS Rick Sanchez...

[Rhiannon12866]

90. How many American soldiers died during coverage of the Michael Jackson

trial?!:grr:

However, I have to admit that I was partial to "Michael Jackson Puppet Theatre!" The only coverage worth watching!:D

[sparky_in_ma]

96. Please don't take this wrong

because I do care about indvidual people. One missing girl in Aruba gets more coverage in an hour than our dead soldiers do in a month.:-(

[Clark2008]

I completely understand and agree.

I feel very sorry for this girl's family, but the several dead soldiers in Bush's folly are much more important for sheer numbers!

[sparky_in_ma]

124. Any loss is tragic

and we just keep losing more every day. The families....:(

[Rhiannon12866]

217. My problem is with the lack of reporting...

Things are NOT going at all well, in Iraq, and the American people need to know. And, did you know, that they're already starting the same preparatory bombing runs in Iran? They abandoned Afghanistan, for Iraq, so there is no way that they could take on such a populous country as Iran, and one with a pro-American population! Left to their own devices, Iran might just achieve democracy on their own, as they had in the 1950's, before the Americans and British installed the Shah, one of the most repressive regimes in history. This is just nuts and I am very scared.
:scared::nuke:

[Rhiannon12866]

123. Why would I take this wrong? I totally agree with you.

The "runaway bride" is another one. What all these stores are, are distractions, to take the public's collective attention away from the horrible and serious things that are really going on, like the continuing and escalating carnage in Iraq and the worst economy since Hoover!:grr:

As for my comment about the Michael Jackson trial, I heard that somewhere, maybe even on DU. And I thought that it was an excellent point. After the verdict came in, you just couldn't get away from the constant rehashing of it, on any channel, for the rest of the night. Though I admit I didn't check in with The Food Network or EWTN, LOL!:D

[sparky_in_ma]

129. Runaway bride;

perfect example.:-) The food channel had "Welcome home MJ" brownies.:+

[Rhiannon12866]

139. That was a tempest in a teapot. A nothing story that got major coverage.

And she's STILL on, practically everyday! I don't care about her, or Michael Jackson or Tom Cruise or Russell Crowe! I want to see coverage of John Conyers walking to the White House and presenting his huge petition! That's news! But did they show this? No!:grr:

As for The Food Network making MJ brownies, I wouldn't have been a bit surprised!:D

And, if you didn't know, EWTN is Eternal Word, the Catholic network. (I used to write about TV, so know them all.) No doubt they were praying for his soul.:shrug:

[sparky_in_ma]

150. : )

I finally caught got up on the thread. My....you had some great rants.:applause: (I agree with them)

[Rhiannon12866]

157. Thank you. LOL! This was fun!

Normally I get myself in huge trouble for spouting off like this. I have no doubt that my mother is currently getting her "news," as she calls it, from Sean Hannity. And the other day, at my vet's, I was explaining the Joe Wilson case to the woman who works there who I know best, and know voted for Kerry, when this elderly Freeper came up behind me and started ranting that Bush Sr. should have taken Saddam out! And she was waving around her crutch! Yikes!

[sparky_in_ma]

168. ROFLMAO

The flailing crutch.:rofl: You're safe in this thread, we all need to vent now and then. :hug:

[Rhiannon12866]

184. Actually, I was very proud of myself. I didn't lose it.

I just turned to this nut case and told her, very slowly and clearly, the reason that Bush Sr. didn't take out Saddam. I quoted Poppy, himself. In 1996, on the fifth anniversary of the "first" Gulf War, Bush Sr. said that the reason that he didn't take out Saddam, when he had the chance, was because doing so would have "turned the entire Arab world against us and destabilized the region." Then my vet worker friend grabbed me and shoved me into an examining room for safety! LOL!:D

[sparky_in_ma]

187. Yup

you're going to need to hang a warning label around your neck. "Do not say stupid things in front of this person".:D

[Rhiannon12866]

192. Thanks! Maybe I should suggest this for one of the new DU tee shirts!

That quote stuck with me because it's obvious that Shrub is too stubborn and arrogant to even listen to his own father.:-(

And the other sad thing is, I'm sure that this Freeper didn't even hear me, she was so busy ranting. It's the same thing with my mother. When I asked her who was responsible for 9/11, fearing she'd say Saddam, she said the Palestinians! Yikes! That's what you get if all you do is watch Faux News.
:scared:

[sparky_in_ma]

195. Step away from the keyboard

and have one on me. :D

[Rhiannon12866]

200. Thanks! Maybe later! (Actually, definitely later, LOL!)

What I really should do is see if my poor dogs need to go out!:hi:

[Sydnie]

152. Perhaps I need to strap on my

:tinfoilhat: but, I am beginning to think that the runaway bride and the leftbehind groom were in on this story together. He seems to be sitting beside her smiling like a fool while she trys to explain that she didn't want to get married. I think they came up with this idea as a way to make sure that they had lots and lots of money. A book deal AND a movie deal. Gag me with that silver spoon already.

[sparky_in_ma]

156. Damn...

now you made me put on mine.:tinfoilhat: :D They will make money on this.

[Sydnie]

165. They will make so much money on this they won't know where to

stash it all. They will have a very public wedding, making all the news shows. Then, within a year or so, they will have a very public divorce. No one will feel sorry for either of them. Certainly not him because he already doesn't think very much of himself. Certainly not her because, unless Greyhound goes belly up, she knew the way out of town!

I really hated the Today show blurb about their "exclusive interview" with these twits. "The interview that everybody is talking about"? Who? No one I know was talking about it or them, for that matter.

I'm with you guys. STFU about it already - MSM. I wanna see the crew that was in that basement last week!

[Berry Cool]

216. I was so disgusted with that damn NBC promo.

These people have both taken us for a ride. They figured out how to get rich in America--fabricate a little story that will make you the darlings of TV, even if it gets you in a bit of legal trouble while you do. The payday you will get from selling the rights to your story will more than pay all the legal fees.

Now they'll actually be able to AFFORD their huuuugee wedding, rather than taking years to pay off the bills. *yuk*

[Rhiannon12866]

160. That's an interesting theory. I never thought of that one.

Maybe I should also get out the tinfoil, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were right!:tinfoilhat:

[Patsy Stone]

167. Beyond a tempest in teapot.

It's a simple old-fashioned publicity stunt. They both have new movies out. But he sucks and has no sense of humor.

I stream Virgin Radio at work and they were coming down on him today for being such an ass.

[Rhiannon12866]

188. You're not the only one here who thinks so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=315&topic_id=11041&mesg_id=11207

Thanks, I'm glad to know the truth. I can't imagine anything being worth making an ass of myself on national television, but maybe that's just me. And that was the impression that I had of the guy. And she's just a flake. A match made in heaven.

[gkhouston]

221. the Food Network was safe. They did not interrupt Iron Chef

to analyze and re-analyze the MJ trial. Gotta love Iron Chef, even if you can't recognize the ingredients some of the time. (I still think those bonito shavings are what hamsters nest in.)

I thought Keith got it a good but snarky point about being the designated driver among news anchors when it came to calling the verdict on the MJ trial and that maybe the verdict should be decided by people who'd seen more than 90 seconds and four or five sentences' worth of trial coverage per day. Didn't seem to go over well with Leno.

[Rhiannon12866]

226. Thanks for the info, LOL! I wish that I'd thought of The Food Network,

Since I watch it all the time. And I do enjoy The Iron Chef. Do you have a favorite? Mine's Sakai. As for the ingredients, I once saw a take-off, probably on SNL, and the one that they used was "fish tumors," ROFL!:rofl:

And I totally missed Keith on Leno! I was watching Al Franken on Sundance. But thanks for the reminder! But I know that my friend taped it and I'll have to get to her before she tapes yoga over it, like she did with Al Franken on Letterman! However, I sure see Keith's point, but aren't surprised at Leno's reaction. Wasn't he called to testify? The last time Keith was on, I was surprised at all Leno let him get away with, but trying to stop Keith, once he gets going, is like stepping in front of a runaway train! Now I have something to look forward to!:bounce:

[gkhouston]

227. Leno was called to testify, but it was about the generally grasping

nature of the accuser's family, I believe. Keith had a good blog the day after the verdict and I tend to agree with the point-of-view expressed therein: there's a difference between believing MJ is probably (or even definitely) a child molester and believing that it's been proven that he molested this particular child. I was surprised he wasn't convicted of the lesser alcohol charge, since that I think probably could have been proven, but the jury just got so pissed off at the prosecution that they decided to acquit him of everything.

Sakai is my favorite Iron Chef, although I love the "oh, shit!" expressions, Chen gets whenever they unveil the secret ingredient. I don't think I've ever seen him be happy about the choice of ingredient. :-)

[Rhiannon12866]

228. I didn't follow the Jackson trial, but I did remember that Leno was called

Thanks. I don't know if you saw any of my other rants on this thread, but I said that I didn't care about Michael Jackson, Tom Cruise, Russell Crowe or "the runaway bride." There's real news out there that is going unreported, like the continued deaths in Iraq and John Conyers historic walk to The White House. *sigh*:-(

But I agree with you about MJ. He must have been guilty of something, or they wouldn't have brought charges. He's one very strange guy.:eyes:

And, yes, Chen is pretty cool, too, and is very expressive, LOL! Sakai remains my favorite, but I have seen all the others. It's a very amusing show, but I've never been tempted to print out any of their recipes! LOL! My favorites, on The Food Network, are Rachael Ray (who could object to "30-Minute Meals?") and Tyler Florence, who's good at everything.:-)

[Berry Cool]

231. Don't quite agree with the statement that

"he must've been guilty of something or they wouldn't have brought charges..."

People are charged every day of doing things they're not guilty of, just because they're in the wrong place at the wrong time. The American justice system still presumes innocence until guilt is proven. Doesn't mean we have to as individuals, but that's how the system works.

[Rhiannon12866]

232. You've made a good point.

I guess I was just being agreeable. Just because he's strange doesn't make him guilty of breaking the law.:shrug:

[Berry Cool]

230. Same here, gk.

Is MJ a child molester? Probably.

Did he molest this child? Maybe, maybe not.

Was this child's mother out for a payday? Probably.

That would add up to acquittal under the American justice system, like it or not.

And yes, the jury should be the ones deciding.

Now, the jurors who went to his PARTY afterward...that's icky.

[Rhiannon12866]

234. I agree with all of what you said, but mostly with your last point.

I just don't get the allure of celebrities. I've met a few, and just treated them like anyone else. And, in case you missed my rant of night-before-last, I don't care about Michael Jackson, Tom Cruise or Russell Crowe. I want to know how many of our brave troops have been killed in Iraq, today, for no damn good reason, and I want to hear from John Conyers, and see his historic walk to The White House. This is news. The rest, including the "runaway bride," the teen missing in Aruba and the poor little lost boy scout who was, fortunately, rescued, are just distractions from the real news that should be reported.:grr:

[crispini]

99. LOL! The rug lifting off of his head!

Puppet Theatre is swiftly transcending its MJ roots and becoming its own thing of beauty!

[bleever]

166. I, too, felt a pang at the thought of the final episode of MJ Puppet

Theater.

The production values, the voice talent. Could it all really just end?

No.

It will live on. In our hearts, in our consciences, and in a million cheesy knock-offs milked by Keef and the Countdown staff.

And for this, KO, I salute you.


And how are you, crispi? Keeping busy with the shovel and pick, I see. Rock on!

:thumbsup:

[sparky_in_ma]

170. After MJ puppet theater

Shakespeare in the park just doesn't do it for me anymore.:cry:

[Patsy Stone]

171. Hi.

Do you need someone to talk you down here? :)

[crispini]

173. Doing good, doing good, how are you?

The excitement never stops around here. It slows down sometimes though. Like tonight, I get to spend tonight with my ass on the couch. Ahhhhhh. :P

[bleever]

210. I'm good, and enjoying watching the trajectory of this cabal's rise and...

Fall.

Suckers! That's what you get for snickering at the word karma!

And, as always, props for all the person-to-person work you do.

:hi:

[Berry Cool]

189. Did you miss it when Burt Reynolds Slap a Producer Puppet Theatre was on?

This was actually a Puppet Theatre from a ways back...hysterical and worth a rerun anyway!

[Patsy Stone]

105. TOM CRUISE SUCKS!!!

C'mon, Tom. Come and get me!! I Double Dog dare ya!!! I'll meet you after school, three o'clock, by the bike rack!!!

:)

[Rhiannon12866]

146. I couldn't agree more. In fact I just said so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=315&topic_id=11041&mesg_id=11193

[CBHagman]

107. I'm sick of Scientology Boy and his captive.

Oh, DO shut up about Mapother and wench and the Eiffel Tower. It's a PUBLICITY STUNT! Besides, I expect he'll just dispose of her in 15 years and choose someone even younger.

[Patsy Stone]

116. She had POSTERS of him!

Ewwww. That's wrong. :) And, converts to the cult of Scientology... Oh, Katie...

[Sydnie]

140. Come on Patsy, couldn't you just see yourself marrying

David Cassidy or Bobby Sherman? ROFL She is really wack! The reality can't be anywhere near as good as the fantasy there... just ask Nicole!

[RevCheesehead]

149. David Cassidy....

was my very first ever crush. :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

161. Mine was Bobby Sherman

and THEN David Cassidy... Ah...

[RevCheesehead]

164. I liked Bobby's music, but I was in love with David.

He's STILL gorgeous! :loveya: ("I'd snark him.")

[Berry Cool]

179. Ah, which just goes to show...old habits die hard.

Even in the early '70s...some of you gals were desperately tuning in your TVs to catch a glimpse of "Keith."

[Sydnie]

174. No Davy Jones?

LOL I had a crush on each monkey at one point or another ... except Mike. He was too weird. Just my luck too. He's the only one that ended up with any money! :rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

176. Loved Peter Tork

but never Davy, and I did actually like Mike a lot (maybe it was the hat?). It was Mickey I couldn't get behind. :)

[RevCheesehead]

186. Are you my cousin or something?

Because that's exactly the same for me, too. Peter was my favorite (but hey, I was in kindergarten then). I hated Micky - way too cocky. And Davie just thought he was too cute.

OK, Patsy - let me ask you this: Gumby or Pokey? :7

[Patsy Stone]

207. The Blockheads... :) n/t

[Patsy Stone]

151. :) He's a PSYCHO. I'm convinced. n/t

[WolverineDG]

144. Kelly Preston also said

she had posters of John Travolta in her room....is this some sort of Scientology thing?

dg

[RevCheesehead]

153. Yeah,

They find out who are the presidents of their fan clubs, then wait it out until they're legal, and ta-daa! Instant wife!

[WolverineDG]

155. I was thinking more in the line of

the whole "I had posters of him on my walls" as being part of a script...the scientologists are a weird bunch. my cousin's kid got messed up with them & now they :scared: me

dg

[bleever]

181. Bleever posters! Get yer Bleever posters right here folks!

And none of that scientology mumbo-jumbo to deal with, just the straightforward Vulcan mind meld!

This whole thing is just so weird, it made me brush up on some of the details of Sci'ology, which, theologically speaking, is not religion, unless you think that God charges for her love and wisdom.


:eyes:

[Patsy Stone]

193. It's extra if you want your religion in a spinach wrap, though... n/t

[bleever]

203. And also...there's the special sauce, and the flatware upgrade, and

many other steps on the way til your bank account attains the state of Clear.

:)

[Patsy Stone]

206. LOL

Which they use to buy all of the great real estate in LA. :)

[bleever]

211. Does this all point back to Bob Hope?

Is Cheney the love-child of ol' ski-nose?

Does this explain his fixation on women who look like Ann Gillian?


I hope we don't get this thread locked on national security grounds.

[Patsy Stone]

213. Ann Gillian

Ah, there's a star... :)

Cheney is the love child of no one. There is no love involved anywhere near that man/thing.

[RevCheesehead]

196. I want a Bleever poster!

Of course, I also want a Keith/Countdown poster, too. :evilgrin:

[Sydnie]

197. I had a building sup once that was into scientology

Her name was Leslie. When I first moved in, she used to invite me over and "talk" about her charts and graphs on her walls, all her goal oriented scientology crap. She convinced me and my room mate to go to her "church" with her one night. They did the personality test and talked dianetics to us. I was weirded out. I promptly went back to the building and made friends with the guy that lived below her. We would get high and chant her name at the ceiling. She quit shortly after that.

And that's what I did in my first apartment in Boston! :rofl:

I do remember seeing a screening of Neilson's "The Point" that they sponsored in college as well. Sure, I ate their cookies and watched their film. Then I went back to the dorm and threw out the literature. I still love that movie today!

Where can I get a hot off the presses bleev poster? ;) It's never too late to dream!

[Patsy Stone]

112. Torn!

Hate TC, love Rachel Maddow. What to do...

[WolverineDG]

113. 42 IS NOT DECEMBER

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

tom & katie are march-june, not may-december....sheesh....

dg

(glad to see ko back, even if only for 20 minutes):grr:

[sparky_in_ma]

122. Hell...42 is March

I'm sticking with that.:D

[WolverineDG]

147. thanks for that one, sparky

:loveya:

dg

[Berry Cool]

180. Yeah, 42 is more like March or April.

Whereas Keith, at 46, is the merry merry month of May...

:loveya: for doing 20 minutes from La-La Land!!!!!

[RevCheesehead]

128. Anyone seeing the tribute to George Lucas on USA?

Shatner just kicked ass, doing "My Way." :spray:

And Harrison Ford is there!!! :loveya:

[Berry Cool]

154. Harrison Ford is a gutsy man

to show up when George Lucas is giving more play to TOM HANKS (has he ever been IN a Lucas movie?) than to him.

Oh well, I guess he has to in order to plug "Indiana Jones 4" and make sure Calista is costarring in it with him. Sorry, I like HF but the Calista thing is like Cruise and Holmes to me. Bleagh!

[RevCheesehead]

158. What part is Calista/Caligula girl playing?

Horror of horrors. I thought Karen Allen was signed up to reprise her role as Marian. :shrug:

[Berry Cool]

182. Oh, Calista/Caligula is playing the LOVE INTEREST, of course!!!!

Because we all know women in their 30s just normally hang ALL OVER men in their 60s...don't they????

Karen Allen and Kate Capshaw are also supposed to appear, but not as the main squeezes.