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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:00 PM
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KOEB 6/27
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:03 PM by crispini
Since I'm here!

edited to add:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:01 PM
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1. LMAO!
There are three.

Yours was first, Crispini. I'll do away with mine!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:02 PM
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2. Oh. My.
Are we all good now? Hi, all! :hi:
Hi, KO! Welcome back, we missed you. Alison was lovely as usual, but I needed more. :loveya:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:03 PM
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3. Eh, so we're meticulous.
There WILL be a KOEB thread tonight! :loveya:

Good evening, all. :hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:04 PM
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4. BTK is so scary
Just amazing that he can recant these horrible acts so matter-of-factly.
:scared:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:05 PM
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6. He's a psychopath.
He has no feelings.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:07 PM
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10. It's completely obvious.
He keeps saying "down" instead of dead. I think I only heard him say dead once, maybe twice. Awful.

Hi, Clark! I haven't had a chance to say hello for a while. Congrats on the b-friend thing. :thumbsup:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:03 PM
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90. It was very, very hard to watch that BTK stuff.
And I'm not sure I really needed to see it, no.

I felt like I had to take one of those fumigating showers afterward.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:57 AM
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152. he has feelings
but only HIS feelings matter. The rest of us are furniture.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:05 PM
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7. He has an amazing disconnect going on there.
"And he looks like such a nice guy." :scared:

This was one freaky news day. Should be a good show.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:08 PM
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12. The profiler is gonna say
it's so normal for these people.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:10 PM
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15. Whoa - this profiler is getting emotionally involved.
I'm still trying to figure out who Mr. BTK reminds me of - he looks like someone I know.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:11 PM
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16. Ugh! I hope not.
But the Van Zandt is right: I totally felt I was being lectured to by a professor. Freaky!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:13 PM
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20. I still think that Van Zandt is over the top.
"He makes the Silence of the Lambs look like a candy store."

Um, I don't think so. Unless I missed some of the more graphic details, I think eating someone's liver is pretty grotesque. :puke:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:15 PM
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24. With a nice Chianti and some fava beans... n/t
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:16 PM by Patsy Stone
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:04 PM
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91. Really, it was like the only difference between Van Zandt and this guy
was that this guy was actually a killer and Van Zandt was repulsed by such killers.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:06 AM
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154. I think the profiler was incensed because BTK was
power-tripping on the allocution. I think he was right in saying that it shouldn't have been broadcast on national television and he's probably right that the guy should have been in a prison jumpsuit with handcuffs; I'm not sure about the leg irons. Not only did BTK get juiced off of this, this sort of thing feeds the fantasy for other serial-killer wannabes. Even for the lust killers, it's largely about power, and lecturing the judge, being on national TV, being "famous" for 15 minutes -- that's some pretty heady power for someone who probably feels they have little or no status otherwise in their life.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:36 PM
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160. It is very scary to think that anyone could have been INSPIRED by this guy
and I'm afraid that may be the case.

Maybe it is time for Keith to step away from this stuff, as perversely fascinating as it can be. Report it, but don't show it.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:01 AM
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153. actually, he *didn't* look like a nice guy to me...
there's something in the facial expression, even in the older pictures, that hints that this is not a nice person. Maybe not a serial killer, but definitely someone who is resentful and not merciful, who likes to be in a position of power over other people and abuse that power. The scary thing is, I meet people with some of those attributes in real life far too often. How many of them have secrets this awful?
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:40 PM
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161. That's what makes you wonder.
But really, aside from some nuance in his face, which can be hard to read correctly, he's the very definition of the banality of evil. Which is precisely what makes him so terrifying.

He's not Jason or Freddy or some horror-movie monster. He's just an ordinary-looking guy who happens to be capable of the worst things. Any one of us might let him in our door without asking for his ID, thinking, he looks harmless enough, and I don't want to insult him by asking him. That's why these guys are so successful. They seem sorta polite, sorta helpful, sorta mild and harmless. Then, you hear him turn the lock in your door, and when he turns his face back to you, you realize your goose is cooked.

Sometimes I think we could avoid these guys if we would all spend more time being a little suspicious and less time telling ourselves it's rude to be mistrustful of the guy at the door, or the guy who offers to help us carry something, etc.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:04 PM
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5. Eh, so we try harder.
Hi all! :hi:

This BTK testimony is making me ill. I mean, :wtf:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:07 PM
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9. Well, I was overly-anxious to start tonight.
Mostly because tomorrow night, we're pre-empted by the blivet. I hope Sparky's going to open the bar. :toast:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:13 PM
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21. Thankfully, I've planned to do some work in the yard
Yes, it will be late, but at least it won't be so hot and I can miss the blivet propaganda.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:16 PM
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25. I'm thinking it will be a good chance
to catch up on housework, balancing the checkbook, and re-seeding the yard.

Anything to get away from the propaganda.

Hey, Clark, so glad the BF is turning out to be Mr. Wonderful. :)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:19 PM
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31. He is so dreamy!
He writes me an email at work every morning (he gets to work about 10 a.m.) that simply says, "Good Morning, Beautiful."

Isn't he sweet?! :loveya:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:19 PM
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33. See. That rocks! :) n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:21 PM
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35. Oh, my.
This one sounds like he might be a keeper.

How does Ramzey like him?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 10:19 PM
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148. Ramzey likes him, but he's having some adjustment problems.
Ramzey thinks Gav is going to take me away from him, actually, and even told us so.

If anyone has any pointers in how to make this transition a bit smoother, feel free to chime in.

The good thing (I guess) is that Gav's been through it personally and knows the score. He said he kind of resented his now step-Dad when he and his mothers started dating. But, like Ramzey, his real Dad was a jerk, so he eventually grew to love and respect his step-father. Gav even told Ramzey (and me) that he wasn't going anywhere and that we'd all just have to get used to it - Ramzey included.

Ramzey's just used to being "the man of the house," you know. Although, he plays with Gav and stuff - it's just every now and then, Ram will feel like he's "losing me." :(
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:13 AM
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155. it's probably a good think that Ramzey feels that he can
talk about it. I don't have any pat answers, except to counsel patience. Given time, he may realize that Gav is there for both of you, and not just for his mama. If he's ever liked, "I'll Love You Forever" as a bedtime story, it might not hurt to drag that one out and read it again, although it gets me every time.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:46 PM
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68. Sounds like a sweetie, Clark
Which one is this?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 10:14 PM
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145. The only one.
:)

I never went out with the 26-year-old. This one was just too yummy!

:9
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
97. This guy sounds
pretty wonderful...
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:06 PM
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96. Me too. I actually have an event to go to, so LOL...
...tomorrow night I have a LIFE and will not have to listen to the warmongering lies!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:05 PM
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93. Sorry, I just didn't want to hog
and felt it was time someone else had the fun of starting off the thread!

:hi: to all from Berry After the Show!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:07 PM
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99. Hey!
You've been a busy Berry this weekend. (Nice threads there, and I'm not talking clothes.)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:26 PM
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123. Thanks, but I didn't want to be a hog *snort snort*
so I thought, hey, time for someone else to start the thread tonight!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:06 PM
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8. Hi, all
I missed the first few minutes. I was counting on hubby to change it from CNN at 8 on the dot, but I looked at the clock and it was 4 past already.

Well, I'm here now!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:07 PM
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11. Hi Sharon!
I have never heard anything like this. :scared: :wtf:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:08 PM
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13. Me neither
How does someone, I don't care how crazy they are, disassociate himself so much from his acts? I just don't understand.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:07 PM
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100. That's the thing. He's not crazy (Keith should realize that too).
He's a sociopath. That's different from "crazy." "Crazy" can be fixed. Sociopath can't.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:11 PM
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106. That's a rather astute point.
No chance of "not guilty by reason of mental illness."
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:29 PM
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124. Precisely. "Crazy" gets better with therapy, but
you can't give a person born without a conscience a conscience. It's never going to develop. There IS no therapy for that.

Actually, Andrea Yates is a good contrast. As horrible as what she did is, she could be changed with therapy and medication. It might never have happened had she had some. This guy would've done what he did for as long as he could, for as long as he remained free...no matter what. There is no fixing him. You take him out of the population for good. That is all you can do.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:47 PM
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133. I'm just thinking of the irony.
He was, at one time, president of the council at his Lutheran church. No offense, but many Lutherans are so anal-retentive, they never have to wear diapers.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #133
140. Some are, some aren't.
But the ones that are...

Sheesh. John List was a Lutheran too. Remember the guy who killed his mother, wife and three kids--ostensibly because he couldn't make enough money to support them and was afraid the oldest daughter was going to Hell because she had taken up acting?--then went on the lam for 18 years? Thank goodness they finally found him.

Talk about zipped up tight. I think his mother warped him. Never used to let him close the door to his own room as a kid. Ouch.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #140
156. I'd forgotten they were Lutheran
somehow had the impression they were Seventh Day Adventist? Oh well, every denomination has their share of loonies; some just have a much higher percentage than others.

I can't imagine not letting someone close the room to their door. Talk about control freak!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:15 PM
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158. Well, around here
(amd we're talking my German heritage here), many of the Lutherans have "control freak" listed as their occupation on their IRS returns.
After one particularly contentious council meeting (I was the music director at the time), I told my mom "I think I've finally figured it out. These guys help me to understand how and why Hitler came to power.

That's the irony of which I spoke.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:46 PM
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162. Funny you should mention that.
I'm reading a really good novel right now that explores the whole issue of why the ordinary Germans behaved the way they did while Hitler was in power. The whole issue of why more people didn't help the Jews, why some people actually helped the SS find them, why some people had such an easy time falling into the belief that, hey, it wasn't so bad not having those Jews around anymore.

I'd like to think there's more to it than just the German psyche, although that may play a role. I'd also like to think there's more to it than the so-called "Lutheran" psyche. If there is one.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #162
166. Well, they were a beaten and defeated people after WWI.
Their nation, economy, families, etc., were all in shambles. Hitler came to power, offering strength and a promise of a return to greatness. Uber-patriotism, if you will. And when you're broken down and defeated, that message is very, very attractive.

Many of the German settlers in WI were those fleeing the wars in the 19th century. Some of them were released prisoners, hoping to start over in a new place. But like most dysfunctions, they brought their problems with them.

The city I served in had an extremely high rate of alcoholism, of under-achievers, and was essentially a "blue collar" city. In the church, they found one area where THEY had a say in what was going on, and they used every bit of power they could.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:08 PM
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14. You missed a very disturbing recount of the BTK killer's acts.
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:09 PM by Patsy Stone
You're lucky! Hi, Sharon.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:11 PM
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17. Hi, Pats
I heard enough to make me pretty sick.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Yep. Bleecchhh. n/t
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. The poster boy for psychopaths!
I don't get the SCOTUS ruling. It's not okay to display the 10 Commandments in a courthouse because of separation of church and state, but it IS okay to display them on the grounds of the state capitol? I just don't get the difference.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:18 PM
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28. Hi Sharon.
I think the difference might be whether one is under trial at the time. And what the other lawn ornaments look like.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. LOL
They explained it a little, but I still think people are going to have trouble determining whether intent is religious or moral.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Then there are people like me who don't see a difference.
Maybe they should post the Nag Hammadi code as well (an ancient document similar to the Top 10 Commandments).
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #36
65. Woohoo! Cheese drops a Hammurabi reference!
:hi:

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. So glad I could impress you.
:hi: Hi, Bleev - how's life treating you?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #69
88. Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side...
Is my mantra lately.

How are you?

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #88
104. Can't complain.
Today was hot (well, for around here), and the kitties were complaining about the A/C, so we had "kitty outdoors" time this afternoon. Oreo had a blast, but Binky wouldn't venture any further than the garage door.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:25 PM
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122. Cat herding. Hey, isn't that a little like your work life?

Here in the Bay Area, we've got the natural air-conditioning of the fog moving in and out of the bay, so my cat's life consists of moving from a sunny patch to sleeping on my laundry, back and forth.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #122
128. Mine likes the DL.
Anywhere out of the way -- unless he's sitting on the laptop. :hi:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #128
129. Something about a nice warm laptop that cats can't resist.
:hi:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #122
134. It is rare to use the AC here by the lake.
I've only had it on last Friday, and today. It will probably be turned off later tonight - although my allergies are much better with the windows closed. Now all I'm allergic to is the dust.

You have a cat? You're one of the coool people! B-)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. Moral not religious? Whatever! n/t
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
103. The 10 Commandments thing really makes no sense
and the Supremes will have to visit it agan and again because of their strange decision this time around. It will not go away.

One decision they made today that Countdown chose to mention not at all...don't know why...that file-sharing networks can be held liable for customers who violate copyrights through file sharing.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #103
108. Hmm.. do you think
that MSNBC/GE or whatever the empire is called has a vested interest in the ruling?
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #108
125. You'd think they would have a vested interest
but why not mention it? It is certainly the kind of ruling that might be of interest to a lot of people.

Keith, you dropped the ball on that one! For shame!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:12 PM
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19. I think I might need to go buy a gun.
I've been thinking about it for a while, but this is really making me think I should get serious. :scared:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #19
37. I thought every Texan
was given a gun with their Social Security number. :shrug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Snork!
Well, I wouldn't be surprised. Guess I missed out on that deal!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #44
163. Your instinct will protect you better, I think.
If someone gives you the creeps, even for a less than completely obvious reason, stay clear. Don't let him invade your space or get you anywhere where you can't get away. Don't accept offers of "help" that you find suspicious or too freely offered. Be as self-sufficient as you can.

I think it gives you better protection than a gun, which could well be turned on you.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #163
167. yep
my mom always says, "when in doubt, don't". My variation on that is, "Given sufficient time, your brain will catch up to your instincts and tell you what's making you uneasy about a situation. BE SOMEWHERE ELSE while you're figuring that out."
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:15 PM
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23. Just how many "King Kong" movies do we need?
Is it because nobody wants to see the 70's version atop the Twin Towers?

I suspect it will be as thrilling as the remake of "Planet of the Apes" was.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. By now it can't have escaped your attention
that there are no more original ideas left in Hollywood. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. Well, they should read the KOEB.
Plenty of ideas around here! :evilgrin:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:17 PM
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27. I see the Supremes wimped on the 10 Commandments.
:eyes:

When are the fundies going to realize they've been used by the Reich-wing?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:18 PM
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30. Eh, I don't get the difference?
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:19 PM by crispini
when they're movie promos they're OK? :P (Most of those granite monuments were promos for the Ten Commandments movie).
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Is that the Charlton Heston clause? n/t
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
127. Hmm, does this mean that
many years from now, the Supremes will have to rule on the constitutionality of granite statues of King Kong on courthouse property??

Or (God help us then--literally) Tom Cruise?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #127
135. Ewwwwww.
Although he could represent an "alternate morality" (I refuse to acknowledge that crap as religion), nevertheless, you have earned yourself one of these, simply for the image: :spank:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #135
141. Jeez, why punish me for good snark? ;-)
I know, I know...the thought of a statue of Tom Cruise on a courthouse lawn is just too terrible, too terrible...
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:25 PM
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39. I don't understand
why the fundies are so rabid about public displays of the 10 commandments...it's not like they actually follow them or anything. :grr:

as for the judge getting all teary-eyed over losing his display, IF IT MEANS SO MUCH TO YOU DAMMIT, PUT IT IN YOUR OWN FRONT YARD!!!!!

(oh, but then he'd have to pay for it out of his own pocket...cry me a freakin' river..... )

dg
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:27 PM
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41. Hi, DG.
I understand he is now an ex-judge, who is considering running for governor. People are comparing him, favorably, to George Wallace.

I'm still pissed at Falwell for "bearing false witness" against the Clintons. :grr:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
94. Pharisees I tell ya
Pharisees.....all show......didn't Jesus say something about that??

:think:

dg
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #94
111. He certainly did.
Hey, I heard Billy Graham say that not everybody who thinks they're going to heaven will be there. Do you think he might have been on to something there?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #111
144. talk about old time religion
that's calvinism talking right there. what i think is even funnier are all the rightwingers with exploding heads b/c graham said he loved the clintons & had them both on stage w/him. it was strange reading about freepers tearing up billy graham...

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:27 PM
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40. LOL
Why we didn't get THAT video is something we're taking up with him presently!

:)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. I liked the Cabbage Head baseball player.
"Cabbage is now banned from the field, along with Corned Beef for good measure." :)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. That was good.
What's that that fell out of his hat twice during the game? :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #43
105. Well, Keith sure came up with
enough baseball references for the night!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #43
107. My favorite part of the show tonight...
...during Oddball, Keith (without making it too obvious) slipping into David Brinkley impersonation mode. (If you didn't catch it but recorded it, go watch again. His intro is pure Brinkley!)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:27 PM
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42. This lost key story!
:rofl:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
46. Twelve YEARS?
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:32 PM by crispini
:wtf:

oh, and KO, sweetie, take your hands out of your pockets when you do standups. thanks. :kiss: :P
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #46
109. What's the problem with his hands
in his pockets? :shrug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
47. Keith is standing: it's an Iraq story.
He looks delicious tonight. :9
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. I do like the brown suit.
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 07:33 PM by crispini
It's scrumptious.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #49
67. I like the gray suit
oh yeah, crispy, like you didn't think i'd say that.... ;)

:hide:

dg
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. Heathen!
We're tossing you out of the Church of the KOEB.

Hey! There's an idea. Let's incorporate as a church for tax purposes. :evilgrin:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #72
92. you need a lawyer for that
too bad ya threw me out.... :P

hee hee hee

dg
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #72
113. Careful now -
The last preacher to do that was fired. (OK, he resigned, but he got an awful lot of negative publicity.)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:32 PM
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48. My TV will be in the "Off" position tomorrow.
I can't believe this story about the cancelled Christmas 2003 flights because of the Al-Jazeera CRAWL! WTF??

OMG. What is in their heads?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Oh, I am SO not going to be here.
Gilbert and Sullivan operetta? I might like this administration more if they sang. :P
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. Are you kidding?
I'd rather endure Klingon Opera!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. Behold the Lord High Executioner!
Defer, defer,
to the Lord High Executioner!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. I am the very model of a modern major general
My policies Republican, they border on the criminal.
With dear ol' Al-Jazeera sending messages subliminal
And yummy food in Gitmo that's neither vegetable nor mineral! :P
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. LOFL.

Excellent, crispi.

:7
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. good one!!
:spray:

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. Very nice! n/t :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #64
73. Damn, girl, you're so creative!
:applause:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. Thank yew, thank you, I'm here all week. :P
Well, actually, I'm NOT, but you know what I mean. :7
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #64
112. Bravo, brava and all that!
Excellent work, crispi!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. Unfortunately, Blivet**s appearances are like a bad accident
I can't help gawking because if I don't I won't know what's going on the next day when people talk about it. And you know there will be at least one, probably more, comedic moment when he mispronounces something or uses the wrong word, like disassemble.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. I know.
But thankfully someone always takes the remote out of my hand.

He's gonna drag out America and 9/11 and apple pie. Feh!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #60
114. There should be a drinking game for those stuck at their TVs.
You know, drink every time he says "freedom is on the march"...drink every time he says "freedom is on the move"...drink every time he says the "effort" is "hard work"...
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #114
120. I'm drinking on every 9/11 reference.
Of course, the blivet says "September THE 11th", which annoys the hell out of me.

Set 'em up, Sparky. You can walk me home. :)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #114
126. How fast would we all be drunk?
And throwing things at the TV. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #126
136. Well, that's kind of the point, isn't it?
Just keep non-breakables nearby (I recommend cotton balls), and you and your TV should be fine.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #136
138. Actually
I have a multi-shot rubber band revolver on hand for such occasions. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #138
139. Damn.
Where do I get one of those? :)

On second thought, I'd better not. I'd be tempted to take it to church council meetings. :evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #139
143. It's really good.
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 09:37 PM by Patsy Stone
I bought it at an outdoor art festival. They even had a Gatling Gun which fired 144 rubber bands. It's made of wood and fires about 10 rubber bands, but you have to reload frequently. I checked on the web just now, but I don't see the company listed. But it's from Texas!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
110. Steganography is a legitimate science, but sheesh...
...get some people to do it who KNOW something.

Wait, I just turned on Faux News. I see secret hidden messages in the crawl on the bottom of the screen..."The president is an idiot." No, wait, that's just the message I'm seeing there.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #110
117. Did you ever see the Simpsons episode
where Krusty ran for mayor? They did a Faux News rip-off, with screen crawls that were hysterical. I'm surprised Matt Groening got away with that, on FOX!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:34 PM
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50. Tom Ridge is an Animatron, isn't he? n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Didn't he star in West World? n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:34 PM
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51. Why is this CIA analysis reminding me of "A Beautiful Mind?"
Maybe they should consult various popular magazines for hidden messages, too. :eyes:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. LOL.
Good one!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #51
130. Analyzing popular magazines for hidden messages...there's an idea!
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 08:48 PM by BerryBush
Hmmm...the messages I see hidden here are..."All women should be thin...all men need to drive hot cars in order to get women...Everyone should be rich...We need more things to do with hamburger..."
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:36 PM
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57. Howso does this "fight them abroad instead of at home"
make any sense to ANYBODY?!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. because a blivet's gotta fight somebody?
:shrug: It's how he proves his "manhood."
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #57
80. Isn't that admitting that DHS and INS can't do their jobs??

I'm not sure how much more bullshit I can take before I frickin' explode.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #57
115. "Instead of at home..." is another drinking phrase.
And whenever he mentions 9/11, everybody CHUG!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:40 PM
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61. Ooh! Andrea Mitchell is psychic!
Blivet will talk about 9/11 tomorrow night.

DUH. :banghead:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Raise your hand if you didn't know that
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:42 PM
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62. John-John and Princess Di would have made a great couple
It's so sad that they're both gone before they achieved their full potential.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #62
98. I'm really getting tired
of people trying to make a buck off of both of them long after they've been gone. In the end, if she did have a fling w/JFK, Jr, well more power to her...he was a damn sight better looking than the frog she married.....

dg
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #98
151. I agree -- let them lie in peace
I miss them both, though. So much unfulfilled promise. I still wonder if JFK, Jr. would ever have run for office. He would have made a great president.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:51 PM
Original message
Oh, oh - Keith missed it.
Not only did Paul Winchell die, but so did John Fielding (the voice of Piglet, and Mr. Peterson of the Bob Newhart Show).

Tsk, tsk.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:52 PM
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76. Yeah, I wondered if he'd add that one on
Pretty coincidental, huh?
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #76
116. Poor Piglet. He didn't invent an artificial heart
but Paul Winchell is just the kind of Renaissance man whose passing Keith likes to note.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:51 PM
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74. Isn't Blivet the most (whatever the adjective was) monkey?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. It's an insult to simians
to call Shrub a monkey.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:54 PM
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78. Yeah, you're probably right.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #77
85. I'm outta here
Don't want to miss the beginning of Six Feet Under like I've done the last two weeks.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #74
118. The GREATEST monkey??? I think not...
The stupidest? There you have 'em.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:54 PM
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79. Can't believe Reagan won!!! WTF? n/t
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:55 PM
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81. So, what, exactly, did Ronnie do to merit
being #1? Honestly. :eyes:

I'll take Homer Simpson myself.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #81
119. Ronnie was able to project an image many people loved so much
they never looked beyond the surface.

In death, he only grows more and more Teflon. :shrug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:56 PM
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82. Ok, I wanna vote for Curious George.
He's the coolest.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. I second that.
I didn't see the Sock Monkey anywhere. And this is a cheap lead-in to the trailer. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:58 PM
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83. Keith is so cute when he does fun stuff!
That grin is adorable!

10. Bonzo
9. J. Fred Muggs
8. Damn Dirty Apes
7. Albert Six (the first to fly into space)
6. Grape Ape
5. The Smoking Chimp
4. Clyde
3. Mickey Dolenz
2. Donkey Kong
1. King Kong

(written down for historical purposes; you're welcome.)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Too true about the cute.
But I still think Curious George should've made the top 10! :D
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #86
95. Technically, he was included in the "animated apes"
But Keith chose "Grape Ape" because he had a cool name.

Besides, people might confuse Curious George with Commander Cuckoo Bananas. :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:23 PM
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121. I think his final little speech before pitching the wad
was Keith's little way of saying (without making it too obvious), "OK, so thanks to stinking corporate synergy, I have been FORCED to relinquish the last minute of my show to a damn movie trailer for a damn movie that my employers insist on using my time to promote on their network. But the LEAST I did was have some fun with it by creating a Greatest Monkeys list."

Sheesh. What next? Will they just cancel Countdown and force Keith to host a show featuring trailers for all the new Universal movies? Bleagh.

'Bye, Keith. We'll miss you tomorrow night. See you Wednesday...at least I hope so!!
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:03 PM
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89. Mickey Dolonez!
I was :rofl: at that......but once the paperwad shattered the camara lens :click: went my tv.

dg
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:02 PM
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87. Dinosaurs AND King Kong?
The ol' suspension of disbelief just went right out the window there.

Why don't they show us the trailer for Terry Gilliam's new flick? Now THAT would rawk.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #87
101. I hope there's a big promo
on Countdown for the new Willy Wonka movie....Johnny Depp....yum....

dg
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:43 PM
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131. No, we need a Countdown promo!
With Keith wearing the Willy Wonka costume, singing his own theme song while the faithful fans (that would be us) gather 'round him singing backup.

Who can take a news flash,
Sprinkle it with snark,
Make us laugh so hard
that we forget about the dark?
The Snarky-Man can!

Who can wear a nice suit,
That will make us sigh,
And make us all go crazy when he wears the DU tie?
The Snarky-Man can!

The Snarky-Man can,
The Snarky-Man can 'cause he mixes it with snark
and makes the world seem good!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:59 PM
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137. I love it!
But tell me, what can you do with Oompa Loompas? :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 09:30 PM
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142. Oompa Loompas??
Didn't Mary Carey already show us what we can do with Oompa Loompas?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 10:17 PM
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147. noooo oompah loompahs
when i saw the original movie as a kid, those orange-haired freaks had me :scared:

dg
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 05:24 AM
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149. Wolverine, you're blowin' my punch line!
Oh well, I tried...
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:13 AM
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150. no i'm not
that's why i replied to rev's post & not yours. :) but even mary carey's "oompah loompahs" are a bit :scared: to me.....damn, i bet she gives herself black eyes when she goes jogging.....

dg
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:17 PM
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159. and endangers the lives of small children and animals, too.
:evilgrin:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:52 PM
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164. Sorry, couldn't tell
and Mary probably never goes jogging...or more precisely, when she goes WALKING she goes jogging.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 10:15 PM
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146. just one edit tho
who can wear a GRAY suit.... ;)


:hide:

dg
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 07:53 PM
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165. MUST it be the GRAY suit?
How about:

"Who can wear a black suit,
With an orange tie,
Make himself so yummy that he makes poor Berry cry?
The Snarky-Man!"
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 10:17 AM
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157. Berry, you're just getting more creative every day! nt
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:08 PM
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102. Well, night, ya'll!
I'm gonna go be productive. :hi:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:44 PM
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132. 'Night, crispi!
Yeah, I should do laundry, eat, that kind of stuff.

I'll probably have to post another KOEB Puppet Theatre before tomorrow night, though. People will need something to get them through the agony of having Gorgeous Snark preeempted for Icky Stupidity.
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