KOEB (6/2/05)

[Clark2008]

Helllloooooo....


Добрый вечер, KOEBers!

Keith роет Глубокую историю Горла!

[seito]

1. Hi Clark

:hi:

[Der Blaue Engel]

2. Hey, look, I'm actually here

:hi:

Not that I can watch Keith until 8pm PST, but it's nice to have a moment to drop in and peek at the fun. :)

[Clark2008]

5. Welcome back, DBE

:hi:

And bring plenty of :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: for Keef!

[Der Blaue Engel]

7. Hi, Clark!

Thanks for the welcome. :) Always plenty of :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: for Keef and KOEB!

[Greylyn58]

3. Hello back

What's with the Russian alphabet?

Hope everyone had a great day...very wet here n NC! B-)

:hi: to my fellow KOEBers!! :grouphug:

:yourock: Keith and I :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

:woohoo:


Keith makes me pant with happiness

[Clark2008]

8. Apparently, you didn't read about the guy I met this weekend.

He was a Russian translator in the Army. Loves Wes, hates Bush. Is from Brooklyn... pretty cool to find in red-land. ;)

(And, he came over last night... :) )

[noamnety]

10. Hmmm, interesting

I was a Russian translator for the Army, and I am from NY. :)

I don't recall visiting you last night though.


(what years was he in?)

[Clark2008]

13. LOL!!

Ummm... I'd have to guess... He graduated college in 1995 and went into the Army AFTER (he, he did it backwards)... sooo... probably 1996ish, 1997ish.
His last name is the same as a famous Ingrid.

[noamnety]

17. We almost all did it backwards

Most of us Russian linguists graduated college, and then did the language training in the Army. The ones who only had high school first were very prone to flunking out completely, or being "recycled" - after a few months being put back in the beginning newbie classes to try again.

I went through a decade ahead of him (thanks for making me feel old - I shouldn't have asked!)

[Clark2008]

23. Well, he's younger than me, too.

But only by about three years.

But, somehow, I don't feel old. O8)

[Greylyn58]

12. Oh Really.... : D

:woohoo: Clarkie!!!

[Nothing Without Hope]

33. Sounds muy intriguing! And shows such good taste in presidential

candidates! ;)

[Clark2008]

37. Smart is sexy!! n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

39. Oh yeah! Hard to take a Bush admirer seriously - I mean, how can they

not see what he is, even with the media manipulation?

Russian can be sexy too!
:evilgrin:

[Clark2008]

43. Yeah... I had to ixney the Russian else I turned into Jame Lee Curtis's

Wanda from a "Fish Called Wanda."

Of course, if the Rev. was here, she'd ask me why I wouldn't want to. :evilgrin:

Where is the Rev. anywho?

[Nothing Without Hope]

Yeah, I was thinking of that Wanda scene too! Haven't seen Cheese - maybe

she's at a Church event and will drop by later.

[RevCheesehead]

72. Don't laugh -

I'm in Whitewater (a university city in Southern WI), at Mom & Dad's.
No Clintons or McDougals around here, as far as I can tell.

So, why not? :evilgrin:

And as long as we're talking Jamie Lee Curtis, I pictured her "pole dance" in True Lies (w/the Governator). Damn funny movie. :)

[CC]

74. Hi Rev

Glad to see you made it safe and sound. I am off to bed with hubby and Keith but wanted to leave a hi.

[RevCheesehead]

79. You're in bed with hubby AND Keith???

Damn, Ferretessa - :yourock:

[Berry Cool]

80. Man, Ferretessa, I thought I'd persuaded you that Keith was best enjoyed

SOLO, if you know what I mean!

I bet Keith isn't too happy about this arrangement either! Don't try this during the live broadcast, or I wouldn't be surprised to see Keith suddenly pause in mid-newscast, frown, get up, walk to the camera, and say, "Excuse me, but it appears to me that SOME of you out there in the audience aren't giving me your full attention. To the KOEB'er known as CC, aka Ferretessa...LISTEN UP! THIS MEANS YOU! The two of you quit canoodling like Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes and LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING HERE!...Okay. Thank you very much. Now, as I was saying..."

[CC]

84. laughing here

Hey at least hubby doesn't mind Keith being there. Keith would just have to get over hubby being there. :rofl: I saw the early show and hell even found Keith for the hub on XM radio (which he has and I don't) so he could hear him when he is on the road. And he is slowly trying to spread the word to other truckers. Specially the ones he can't get to listen to AA. It nice ti hear when a Faux listening switches to Keith, something may sift down through the muck in their brains. And as much as I am getting tired of deep throat it has gotten a few more to listen to Keith these last few days.

[Nothing Without Hope]

90. Good point. And if they change their minds about the glory of the blivet**

and his administration, they can pass the word. Ripple effect can work with burly truckers, too. The ones I've known were great people, not at all like the very unfair stereotype.

[CC]

95. The unfair stereotype

is out there for a reason, they are plenty of those jerks too. The other side of what they listen to is that before AA and XM or Sirius about all the talk radio, or consistent radio they were able to get was right-wing hate-fest stuff like Flush Limpballs and his ilk. Satellite radio has been a great things for these guys and might just cure allot of the brainwashing.

[Nothing Without Hope]

97. I hope so. How awful to have hours of hate radio brainwashing every day

The ones I knew were before the great rise of hate radio and all it means. They were great people and I enjoyed their company. Not stupid and not jerks, but interesting people who carried respondibility and worked hard. They had their own community, at first tied together by the CB radio. Sort of a proto-internet in a way, IMO.

[CC]

96. Sometimes

Life Is Good...Veeerrrryyyyy Good. :rofl:

[Nothing Without Hope]

89. yes, that was a funny scene. She was getting really revved up and then...

...kerflop! She really does have an amazing body, no wonder the plots of her movies tend to have her stripping most of her clothes off.

Well, I hope where you are the cheese and beer and company are all delicious!

[bunny planet]

65. Whoa. I really can't miss a day here at KO clubland.

Sounds great Clark. Brooklyn rocks and Russian is a very sexy language.
:thumbsup:

[Berry Cool]

81. Correction, Bun-Bun.

*Cleveland* rocks. Brooklyn is just cool. :-)

But yeah, Russian is sexy.

Then again, any language on the lips of a sexy man is sexy.

[Berry Cool]

44. A hearty bonjour to all!

even those who aren't dating guys who know Russian!

:hi: everyone for Berry After the Show!

and WOOFS to Sheridan!

[Clark2008]

47. Hi Berry!

:hi:

[noamnety]

4. hi clark!

Привет!

[Clark2008]

9. Greetings back at'cha!

:hi:

Where you been lwfern?! We've missed you!

[noamnety]

11. I've been around

lurking and posting in various forums.

[RevCheesehead]

73. Hey, lwfern!

Nice to see you again! (where have you been hiding?)

[Sydnie]

6. Hi Clark

Is this foreign language night? And me without my pig latin dictionary! :rofl:

[Botany]

14. For you ....

Tu es mi muy buena amiga del KOEB?

y facil tanbien ...... lol

[Clark2008]

16. Harrrummpphhh... I thought I was after the "bragging"

I did on your behalf on that thread about Steph being on C-SPAN2.

Hey... are you watching her instead of KO? ;)

[Botany]

27. No steph yet .......

..... did she really have pics of me on her blog?

KO vs Steph hmmmmmm ?

funny they both tell the truth ...
however i feel different abut Steph then ........

LOL.....

[Nothing Without Hope]

29. If Steph did have pics of you in her blog, the rule is you have to post

them here for us! Otherwise, YOU might end up chained to an apple tree...;)

[Berry Cool]

52. But if it's him and Steph chained to a tree...

K-I-S-S-I-N-G...

:loveya:

[Nothing Without Hope]

53. Yeah, that's hardly a punishment, except to the tree!

:loveya:

[Clark2008]

32. I thought someone linked a picture of you and she

on that thread about the meeting in the KOEB clubhouse from her website.

Was I wrong? :(

[Sydnie]

55. I think those pics were from the Columbus stations site

but they were great! And Botany was in there more than once!

[Berry Cool]

50. See, Botany, you underestimate her.

She's in LUURRVE.

Before you know it, she'll be jumpin' up and down on Oprah's couch about you...and the difference is, I'll BELIEVE her!

[Catchawave]

34. I'm flipping between Steph and Keith !

Both are great tonight!

[Sydnie]

21. anks-thay Iay ink-thay

Yeah, are you watching Step tonight? I considered it but miss so much Keef :loveya: that I had to come join the fun here instead.

BTW, I heard the end of Steph's show on Tuesday where she was giving praises to "Bev the BBV queen"... someone needs to set her straight about her. You going to do it, or shall I? ;)

[Botany]

30. All yours Sydnie ......

...... set her straight ..... LOL!

btw Me and Steph = little chance although she is still hot .....

You + Me @ the Union Oyster House = ?????

[Sydnie]

77. You made me do it!

I sent her a longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg email with the whole Bev saga. I hope she reads it and hears what I am saying. I would hate for her to get caught in that trap too. She doesn't have to believe me, she can CALL Keef and ask him herself! :rofl:



I am no where near as hot as Steph anymore, Botany, but as long as I don't have to eat oysters (in real life or in Gull Bay), then anything is possible! ;) :loveya: ;)

[Berry Cool]

49. Oui, c'est le soir pour ecrire dans tous les langues du monde.

et peut-etre des langues des cochons...??

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Has Keith ever mentioned the Downing Street Minutes?

[Clark2008]

20. Yes... in fact he's received kudos from Dem bloggers for being one

of the few to do so.

He interviewed Rep. Louise Slaughter about it. Here's the video

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown_Downing_Memo_Olbermann.wmv

[Nothing Without Hope]

26. Excellent ! Another video to add to my collection, and a Keef one to boot

Hello and thanks, Clark, Greylyn, lwfern, Angel and Botany! (Did I miss anyone?)

:hi:

edited to add: Hi also to Syndie, Patsy, seito and catgirl! And if I left anybody out, consider yourself included - good to see you all!

Like the OP pic of Keef, even if he does look like he's being sized up by a giant green insect. He's wearing red suspenders, and that fixes everything.
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Clark2008]

35. The OP pic of Keith is him doing the voices for the MJ Puppet Theater.

:rofl: - a giant green insect's view.

[Nothing Without Hope]

42. ah, the MJ Puppet Theater - does anyone know how much they finally went

for? When I saw it the auction was several days from closing and the price was rising fast. Raised a lot of money for Celiac Sprue research. I still think he sold those puppets partly as a sort of protest about having to report the endless "pervert of the day" junk.

[Clark2008]

45. More than $15,000, I believe

Waaaayyyy more than I could afford, whatever it was.

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. I wonder if he was surprised at how much they brought in. At least

SOMETHING good came out of that scene. He must have been awfully tired of the endless reporting on it. It was being used as a deliberate distraction for the serious events of the nation and the world, and he knew it. The superficial playlike aspect was perfectly captured with paper puppets - and I suspect he got tired of those too.

Great idea, selling them on Ebay. And that was a lot of money for a cause he cares about.

[Berry Cool]

56. Ultimate price: $15,099.99

Not bad for six little puppets with Keith's autograph.

They did make a great sweeps month stunt, didn't they?

[Berry Cool]

54. Yeah, it was a fine night for suspenders!

I'm so glad I taped it!

And if you think Keith looks as if a giant green insect is sizing him up...he'd surely say "I'd like to be the first to welcome our new insect overlords..."

[Catherine Vincent]

67. Thanks for the video link.

[Patsy Stone]

18. They're trying to tell me that

Tucker Carlson is changing the pace of news?

Not buying it!

:hi: all!

[seito]

19. Ahh but the pink suit and cute little bow tie

:crazy:

edit: :hi: Pats

[Patsy Stone]

22. LOL

And Raj from the Apprentice? Wow. Whaddya think they paid him?

Hey, seito!

[Berry Cool]

58. You know what Kelly from The Apprentice is doing, don't you?

He's helping recruit more kids for the military.

Trying to convince them it's a great opportunity because once you've been out there, The Donald can't intimidate you in The Boardroom.

Of course, I'm sure he skips the part about how you might not make it to The Boardroom if you end up coming home in a body bag instead.

[Patsy Stone]

66. That's horrendous! n/t

[Clark2008]

24. But, he is changing the pace... to very, very slow and boring and

trite and weinish...

Tucker, YOU'RE HURTING AMERICA!

[Patsy Stone]

25. Stop it! Stop huurrting America! :) n/t

[Jane Austin]

63. More like changing the volume of news.

He used to shout everyone else down on Crossfire.

[Catchawave]

28. Hi Everybody....

The TDS re-air has been moved to 8pm...darn! Now will absoulutely have to catch the late show or morning repeat. Why, Comedy Central Why?

:hi: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Sydnie]

46. It is a must see show Catch!

It was so uplifting last night to watch it. I might have to catch the rerun myself!

Good to see yah, btw! :hi:

[Catchawave]

57. Hi Syd....

He really nailed Liddy, Buchanan and Novak...Whoa Jon. I'm hoping they still rerun last nights after tonights show too. Worth the repeat because I missed so much flipping between KO and TDS at 8, then Stephanie Miller and some liberal bloggers are on Cspan2, flipped between her and KO.

:loveya: :silly: :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

31. Hey!

I was driven through that tunnel. :)

[Patsy Stone]

36. Interviewed crawling

on 56th and Broadway...

I hope those gloves are thick, 'cuz that's nasty! And imagine the traffic hassles?

[Clark2008]

38. Well... from crawing for a cause to crawling because...

you're drunk.

:7

[Patsy Stone]

41. I salute him!

1000 bars in a year. Egg-cellent. :)

[Berry Cool]

59. I assume Crawling Guy has an escort entourage

because having walked through that city, I know you're taking your life in your hands as a pedestrian every time you step off the curb!

[Patsy Stone]

40. That's time well-spent if you ask me

an international pub crawl for a year? Yes, please.

[Berry Cool]

60. Hmm. wonder if I can ask him to meet up with me on purpose

if I go to New York.

Just for fun so I can take his picture and say when I get home "Hey, everybody, I met Pub Crawl Guy."

[Nothing Without Hope]

51. I have to leave - but it was good to see you all. Be well!

:hi:

[Berry Cool]

61. 'Bye! I gotta go too...

See you Friday night, gators!

[Catchawave]

62. There's a couple of Steph Cspan threads on GD-P

..if anybody's watching and wants to follow along :hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. My choice for NATURE PHOTO OF THE DAY (it's panoramic)

Found here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1727572&size=lg

Caption:
Mesa Arch
by Morey Kitzman
Fuji 617 Panoramic (105mm lens)

http://gallery.photo.net.nyud.net:8090/photo/1727572-lg.jpg

[Patsy Stone]

68. Bee-you-ti-ful, Hope.

:hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

69. Hi Patsy! I really love that picture, the glow under the natural bridge,

the spaciousness. Glad you are enjoying it too. It's all too easy to become cut off from nature in our daily life - this is a little reminder to us all.

This talented photographer has a number of quite different series of photos. Here is one of his "red rocks" series - he also has photos of ponds and many other kinds of images. I love the lines and colors in this one (found here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2223820&size=lg):

http://gallery.photo.net.nyud.net:8090/photo/2223820-lg.jpg

[Patsy Stone]

70. Wow.

It's amazing. Thanks for the link.

ed: because that's not what I meant to say before.

[Nothing Without Hope]

71. One more for the road (good night!)- this one captures the setting sun and

that warm glow is even stronger. Found here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3229444&size=lg

http://gallery.photo.net.nyud.net:8090/photo/3229444-lg.jpg

[Greylyn58]

78. That is a beautiful picture and I have one just like it

in my living room. One of my favorite photographers is a guy named Andy Marquez. I own serveral of his photographs and a picture made from this exact location was the first one I purchased.

He has a gallery in Colorado, but where I met him was at one of the craft shows they have here in Charlotte. I think it was the Southern Christmas Show. He had a booth with copies of his photographs for sale.

He does some incredible work. Check out his web site to see some of his work.

http://www.andymarquezgallery.com/

[Nothing Without Hope]

83. Amazing, it really IS very similar. Love your sig quote too!

http://www.andymarquezgallery.com.nyud.net:8090/cw2/Assets/product_full/horizontal/UT-1.jpg

Can you tell me anything about the origin of the quote in your sig line? It's so very appropriate to what we are facing in our country: the death of hope because people can only see the horror and fear and not the possibility of positive change.

And thanks for both these gifts - the new photographer and the amazing quote.

[CC]

85. Hope as always you

have left some beautiful nature pics. And love that you leave links so we can go see more.

[Nothing Without Hope]

87. If I didn't leave links, it would feel like I was stealing them. This way

it's more like free advertising and a sincere compliment. The photographer hasn't lost anything and may have gained some admirers who can follow the link to his/her other work and contact information.

And it means that my KOEB friends can enjoy more of the beautiful work if they want.

I also use a trick I found out about a few weeks ago - if you insert

.nyud.net.8090

just after the main web site address (i.e., just after the .com or .net or whatever even if there are additional codes after it), the bandwidth for showing the image goes through a free public cache and the original site isn't "charged" for it. That can be important, since some IPs are very stingy about bandwidth and images can take a lot. The free public cache has enormous capacity - this is perfectly OK to do.

Anyway, so glad you liked my choices. It's really fun looking for them. I've liked your photos too and hope to see more of them!

[gkhouston]

86. it's from Babylon 5, Hope. A sci-fi tv series that had a few

more parallels to some current events than I'd care to recall. Lasted five seasons, started off rocky and ended too abruptly, but seasons 3 and four were truly glorious. The above quote was from the very end of season four, if I recall correctly, and one of the characters was writing about an important event in the war in his diary. If you're ever inclined to rent anything to watch, this series would be worthwhile. Although there are some clunker episodes, it's worth watching the whole thing, because you see characters that you think are lightweights or trivial in the first season undergo all sorts of amazing and yet credible transformations.

on edit: and if you liked that quote on paper, you should really hear it recited in context. Wow.

[Nothing Without Hope]

88. Now that's really interesting, Gina - I hadn't suspected that it was from

a sci-fi work. I wondered if it might be Chinese, but that didn't seem right either. I never saw any of those episodes; I watch almost no TV. Now I'll see if I can find a rental. I do appreciate good sci fi in movies or in literature. I'm a great fan, for example, of the Vorkosigan series of Lois Bujold. That's another one that builds - though I thought the first two were good also.

[gkhouston]

91. I did actually sit down once with friends, years ago, to re-watch

the whole series start to finish and it was interesting to see certain characters make their debut while knowing what lay ahead for them. It was very much like re-reading a favorite book. The first season in particular was wildly uneven and had some spectacularly wooden acting in places, but hang in there; there are some jewels even in the first season. I think you'll enjoy the enigmatic qualities of the Minbari and Kosh.

[Nothing Without Hope]

93. It's all new to me. Wish I had a buddy around here who was a fan and had

recordings of all the episodes. I will have to see what sorts of rentals are available at the local video palaces.

[gkhouston]

94. I had a friend who had tapes but she's probably recorded

over them by now, even if they could be found. (Her study was a large version of Fibber McGee's closet.) In any case, if you can rent, you'll be able to avoid the commercials.

[Nothing Without Hope]

98. Sounds good to me! It's pretty jarring to just be getting into a story

and be interrupted by those loud, obnoxious screaminly blatant commercials and their rah-rah-spend-some-money-and-you'll-be-happy/fulfilled/sexy/virtuous rant. When I do turn on the TV, I'm always shocked at the relentless onslaught.

[Greylyn58]

100. The whole 5 seasons have been released on DVD

and you might be able to rent them. Well worth your time.

[Nothing Without Hope]

103. Wow - that's good news. I'll definitely check it out - literally! n/t

[Greylyn58]

99. As has already been mentioned

it was a scifi tv show called Babylon 5. It is truly an amazing show because it was written to be a 5 year show with a Beginning, a Middle, and an End. My dog Sheridan is named for one of the characters on the show, Capt. John Sheridan.

Babylon 5 is an amazing show about a space-station built and maintained by Earth with the intention of fostering knowledge and understanding of the different races in the galaxy. It was built after a devastating war with the Minbari(one of the races now present on the station) that happened due to a misunderstanding. A lot of what is happening now is eerily relevant to things that happened(to the humans and to earth) in this show. If you ever get the chance to watch it, do so because I think you'll get some chills from it.

The quote is from the 3rd season cliff-hanger episode called "Z'ha'dum" The character speaking it is former Ambassador G'Kar. He has some of the most amazing speeches during the run of the show

Here's another one G'Kar made after the Centauri attacked his world:
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power tyrants and dictators cannot stand. The Centauri learned that lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Although it take a thousand years, we will be free.

onedit:meant to leave this link where you can find out more about the show.

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html

[Nothing Without Hope]

104. Thank you for this, Grey - now I am thoroughly intrigued. In a way, maybe

it's a good thing that I'm newly interested in it at a time when I can see the whole thing from the first by renting it out piece by piece and going through it.

Eerily relevant to the current world situation, all right.

I've always thought that calling what is being done to Iraq "Operation Iraqi Freedom" is one of the cruelest ironies ever, both for the soldiers who go there thinking it's for a good cause and for the Iraquis themselves, who know an invader and occupyer when they live with one.

[Greylyn58]

105. What you might find really interesting

is starting in the 3rd season Earth becomes very militaristic. The President declares Marshall Law on Earth and puts a group in charge called The Night Watch

In the 2nd season a group was started called The Ministry of Peace and the Night Watch was an arm of this group. The inward-turning Earth government is using their "Nightwatch" as a means to silence dissent. (doesn't that sound familiar) There's a poster you will see in some of the episode in season 3 that says(Traitors can't Hide) :scared:

I loved and still love this show. If you ever watch it and want to discuss it, let me know. It's one of my all time favorites...ever.

[Nothing Without Hope]

106. The writers must have included some Orwell fans. There is a whole genre

of sci-fi that has a strong Orwellian subtext and takes it in different directions without losing the relevance to our current situation.

The choice of the names, opposite of their true meanings, is also both Orwellian and just like what happened in this corrupt administration. Operation Iraqi Freedom, Homeland Security, Patriot Act, Leave No Child Behind, Saving Social Security (not a buzzword title but a single-minded theme that is counter to fact and intention). There are many more. The irony is suffocating.

When I do know more about this series I will indeed enjoy discussing it with you. Have you read the Vorkosigan series of Lois Bujold? It is a splendid series that really is about three things more than anything else: psychology, politics and family. She loves engineers - her beloved father was one - and there is wonderful hard sci-fi with lots of engineering bits, but it's really about those three things. If you have not read it yet, PM me and I can tell you more and give you a list of the books. They should be in your local library.

There are some quotes from that series that have really stayed with me, both in this political situation and in my own life. Overall, there is insight, wit, humor and sadness, and a constructive worldview that lifts the spirits in a good way - because it reminds us of what CAN be done.

[Greylyn58]

107. I've never read that series, but I will check it out.

I'm a huge scifi/fantasy books fan...Harlan Ellison, Arthur C. Clark, George R. R. Martin, Isaac Asimov, etc.

Babylon 5 was the brain-child of J. Michael Straczynski and he wrote almost all of the episodes for the show...an amazing feat when you think about how some shows are written by committee.

[gkhouston]

108. I think it pretty much drove him into the ground, but it was amazing

and you will find a lot of interesting stuff in there, Hope, especially when they get into the propaganda stuff. Brr...

[Nothing Without Hope]

109. Well, have you ever got a treat in store for you! Each of the books in

the series is different, with a different mix of serious philosophy, space opera, hard sci fi, political and psychological development, family and personal evolution, and the most dellightful humor.

The central character of a great cast is a physically disabled man (but he never lets that slow him down!) who is born to people who meet each other in the first book. He is a tactical genius and an enormously charismatic leader and charmer, and he starts with a chip on his shoulder because of his experience with very short stature and disability on a planet where physical strength and martial fitness are so highly prized. But it's not so simple as that suggests. His parents are very different people who grow to understand one another and in turn work to change the poltical structure and thoughts of their society, which begins very martial and conservative and evolves toward much greater progressivism.

Tonight or tomorrow I'll PM you with a list of the books. Whatever you can't find, I'm willing to loan to you - book rate shipment is very cheap. You really do need to read them in sequence. I'd adore discussing them with you and with any others who are interested.

[Greylyn58]

110. Cool...Babylon 5 has some similar themes

about charismatic leaders, religion, full of humor. The series starts a little slow, but stick with it.

One of my favorite episodes is from season 1 called The Parliament of Dreams. It's funny, poignant and very entertaining.

It begins when Earth Central decides to have a planned cultural exchange where all alien societies on B5 will have the opportunity to demonstrate their dominant religious beliefs. There are several other story lines, but the one thing about this episode that I love the most is at the very end when they begin to show Earth's dominant belief. The alien ambassadors go into a room which contains hundreds of people, all of different religions. The Commander moves along a line formed by them, introducing them one-by-one to the aliens. There were, as the aliens commented, no drums, no bells, no chants--only a showcase of Earth's proud diversity.

It's a kick-ass show.

I pray that one day Earth(as a whole) will be that way and celebrate it's diversity instead of stomping on it.

[Nothing Without Hope]

111. Pride in all aspects of human diversity - yes, that's a show I want to see

You have convinced me - I am definitely looking into B5 and will keep a list of these fave episones you mention. Thank you for this, But for this exchange, I would have remained obvlivious.

And I'll PM you about the Vorkosigan books tomorrow.

This is an aspect of polticial/pscyological dialog too - fiction allows things to be acted out and said that are not as clear or as sayable in real life.

[CC]

75. A hit and run hello

Hope everyone has a good night and great day tomorrow.
On Steph, C-span has the conference listed for the early AM if anyone missed it and wants to tape it. The schedule is here http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/fullschedule.csp?timeid=211984466451
It may also be on sometime over the weekend since they tend to repeat shows from the week on weekends.

Keith had another great show but I think I am getting deep throat burn out already. Tired of the traitor word being yelled all over by the real traitors. Felt is a hero in my book. Also did these people forget that people stopped trusting the government in the 60's? Watergate just prove they were right to not trust the government.
Finished with my rant for the night.

Hugs to everyone.

[RevCheesehead]

76. And a fine rant it was, CC!

I'm posting late, too.

Anyone else here sense that Woodward is doing a lot of backpedaling?
We saw him on Larry King tonight, and he kept talking about Felt having Alzheimer's, and may not remember things accurately.

[Berry Cool]

82. He's ticked off that Felt's family, smelling payday, screwed him over.

At least that's what I think.

Felt may truly not be completely "all there" anymore...and he may not be long for this world...and his family decided they were going to push for him to cash in (ultimate profiteers...themselves, or at least it will help them pay his medical bills) before it was too late. So they did what they could to auction off his story to the highest bidder. If only they'd put it on eBay, they could've gotten thousands from GoldenPalace.com!

Meanwhile, W&B, who faithfully and honorably kept his secret all these years, got the shaft. Now they're stuck having to deal with a source who outed himself in a publication other than theirs, who is probably largely controlled and manipulated by others, who doesn't appear to recall half of what went on, and whose primary motive for finally telling all appears to be his family's avarice. Can't be a great situation to be in.

[Nothing Without Hope]

92. yes, it's sad. I am glad, though, that his identity came out when he

is still alive. He may be flawed, but what he did was important and courageous and ultimately patriotic. He swore to defend the CONSTITUTION, which that admin (like some others we know) had trampled.

[Berry Cool]

101. I agree with you there.

Ultimately, he did the right thing, back then. So did anyone who may have helped him--and it's possible, as Keith said, that he did have help.

What amazes me, though, is how any of THEM could have kept silent for all this time. You know the old saying: "Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead." I can see W&B and Bradlee keeping the secret; they had journalistic ideals to drive them. But what about anyone else who was helping out? For all these years? Their ideals must have been pretty high, too. Maybe they believed so completely that what they were doing was right that they really did take and mean a vow never to say a word. And, somehow, they never (or have not so far, anyway) ended up in a position in which they were goaded to spill the beans.

Wouldn't it be interesting, though, if, now that the lead man has finally come clean, they one by one began stepping out of the woods...saying "Yeah, I helped, too..." Now that would be interesting and it would give Keith blog-fodder for eons to come. The only difficulty would be in trying to separate the truth-tellers from the phony opportunists who would also smell a potential payday in it all, rather like Wendy's Chili Woman.

Anyway, I guess this is all I have to say right now...I don't think I can make it back for tonight's show. Watching someone else host is just too painful...

[Nothing Without Hope]

102. You make a good point about the "helpers," and there must have been some

I wish they WOULD start stepping ut of the woods with their stories of why they helped bring down that corrupt administration. The public - and all those would-be whistleblowers in THIS administration - need to hear how loyalty to law is more patriotic, not to mention more dangerous, than blind obedience to powerful but corrupt people who have abused their power.

Just THINK of all the whistleblowers out there for 9/11, Iraq, Halliburton, the elections.