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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:35 PM
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WalMart calls police on campaign volunteer in my home town!
Talk about having your first ammendment rights trampled on by a corporate behemouth. A fellow campaign volunteer for Congressional candidate Sharon Beery for the 22nd district here in California, set up her table outside of WalMart yesterday in Arroyo Grande to hand out flyers to the clientele coming and going. She was accosted by a couple of managers from WalMart who told her that if she didn't go away, they would call the police.

She is a 60+ tiny woman, who was on her own yesterday as I had an emergency I had to deal with at home and couldn't accompany her. She moved her table away from their doors and continued to hand out flyers. The police came and were very rude to her. She stood her ground and asked since when was campaigning illegal? (I have to tell you that petition solicitors to recall Grey Davis were at the same WalMart daily during the recall drive.) They finally agreed that she had a first ammendment right but that there were complaints that she was blocking the path of people walking in and out. (Not true according to her and I believe her.)

They threatened to ticket her if she didn't comply and leave. She's so shook up that she doesn't even want to talk about this anymore. Is there anything we can do to put WalMart in their place? Although I know stores are considered private property, just how right are they?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:41 PM
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1. The best strategy, I would think, is to draw the parallel
you have in this post comparing the store's practice in the recall election (the more people you can get to verify the situation the better, as it is not likely that those in mgmt today were the same ones during the recall effort.) Then ask for a policy - are they going to prevent *any* petitioning, campaigning at the store from here forward? Or just for a democratic candidate? This might lead to NO campaigning, but *if you get it in writing* (ala a new policy) then one can act on it in the future so that there is consistency. Until they come up with a written, formal policy (that can be shown and verified as coming from the store in the future), I would follow the police's direction (do not block entry to the store) and keep tabling.
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:41 PM
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2. She should have asked persmission.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:45 PM
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4. Only if there were posted signs saying;
that Dems were not allowed the same rights as Repugs!
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:56 PM
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7. I've never know WalMart of allow politicians to campaign.
My local WalMart only allows a few groups a year. The Girl Scouts, Volunteer firefighters raising money for Operation Christmas, and the Salvation Army.

Locally, I don't know about nationally, but Target quit allowing Salvation Army Bell ringers, in front of their stores.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:42 PM
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3. I think any business owner has the right to ask someone to get off their
property.

I doubt they would have cared if it had been a Republican, however...........
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:48 PM
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5. It's private property, which sucks.
Another reason it was better in the old days, when stores abutted the public sidewalk and ANYONE could walk by, protest, whatever. Nowadays stores surround themselves with a big ocean of private parking lot.

WalMart unfortunately has the right to kick off whomever they please. I hate them.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:48 PM
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16. Not only that, but it was far more attractive.
Gawd, how I despise acres of blacktop on every corner.

Not quite as much as I despise WM, though.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:53 PM
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6. I wish I had the answers, but all I have is more questions.
Remember the dust up before Christmas when Walmart refused to let the Salvation Army volunteer be at their stores? I don't know why they did it, but they did. Claimed some kind of personal property or something I think.

Do you think they're pulling the same stuff now? I don't know.

As far as the Gray Davis campaign workers being there, I guess you can chalk that up to politics. I know when I volunteered for Dean, we had several groups thrown out of restarants here in Ga. because the owner was a Pub.

Someone who knows the laws of Calif. better than I will hopefully help you with this, but it's a very rough political world.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:59 PM
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8. Every $ the Salvation Army collected was one less $ spent at Walmart.
What an obscenity that corporation is. That said, businesses do have the right to prohibit people from handing out materials, collecting signatures on their property, solely at the business's own discretion. The local police must be pretty damn stupid if they didn't know this and allowed the woman to stay.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:02 PM
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9. They didn't let her stay. They said they would ticket her,
for what I don't know, maybe trespassing if she didn't leave, so she did leave. No one else has been this crazy. We've done Von's and Albertson's with no problems. They only asked that we didn't block the doors.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:01 PM
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12. That was Target, not Wal-Mart
Target wouldn't allow the Salvation Army bell-ringers to stand outside and collect money a few years ago.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6708024
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:05 PM
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10. The best thing is stay off their property, get permission
or a permit to protest them, and then carry a simple sign so that everyone driving in sees it;

Wal-Mart hates Democracy.



That should get their attention, oh and have the volunteer worker there to tell her story.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:56 PM
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11. She was trespassing
They had every right to ask her to leave. I don't think the 1st ammendment applies to private property.

If someone was in your yard campaigning for Bush, wouldn't you ask them to leave?

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:37 PM
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13. I think my friend thought that since they had no
problem with people asking for petition signatures to recall Grey Davis that they shouldn't worry about her passing out flyers and she was also registering voters for any party. I have told her that they have private property rights to tell her not to solicit on their grounds.


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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:45 PM
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15. No doubt
if it was something they agreed with they would have let her stay. Like with the Grey Davis recall petition.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:55 PM
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17. it would be good policy for a store to be apolitical
either allow groups of all persuasions or allow none (like Target). But, they don't have to.

They may well have instituted a corporate policy against all campaigning after the recall election, perhaps because of complaints of people who either didn't agree or didn't want to be asked anything. But even if it is blatant favoritism, they have the right to engage in it if they want to. People who disagree have the right not to shop at Walmart.

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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 11:44 PM
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14. She was on WAL-MART property they were in the right
I don't care how old or shook up she is, she should have known better. You wouldnt like it if someone (without permission) went infront of KMART, Target, etc and told you to shop at WAL-MART.

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 12:07 AM
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18. there's a first amendment right in places where the public is invited
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 12:12 AM by Neil Lisst
they can stop her from coming inside and soliciting, but outside, she has to right to express political speech in the areas where the public walks
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 12:15 AM
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19. If it works for Target....
California Law

For many years, Target has enforced a no-solicitation policy at our stores nationwide to protect our guests from being subjected to persistent appeals when shopping at our stores. We believe we have this right since our stores are located on private property and are operated for the purpose of providing our guests with a comfortable shopping experience.

To challenge our solicitation policy, petitioners sometimes claim a right to gather signatures or engage in other expressive activity in front of a Target store based on Robins v. Pruneyard Shopping Center, a 1979 decision of the California Supreme Court. While that case found that California law provides some protection for "free speech" activities at shopping centers that constitute a public forum, it does not give petitioners unlimited access to retail property. The shopping center involved in the Pruneyard case was a large, regional mall with extensive public amenities and common areas for walking and gathering. The court in that case determined that the mall was a public forum because it was the functional equivalent of a traditional town square. As a public forum, the mall was required to permit free speech activities in the common area, subject to reasonable time, place and manner restrictions established by the mall owner. There have been recent cases in this area of the law that have clarified the scope of the Pruneyard decision. Based on these cases, it is clear that the Pruneyard decision does not require Target to permit petitioning in front of its stores.

Costco Companies, Inc. v. Gallant 96 Cal. App. 4th 740 (2002)
This case involved a challenge to restrictions imposed by Costco on petitioning at its stores. In its decision, the court held that a store such as a Costco is not a "miniature downtown" and so is not a public forum. Since the relevant characteristics of a Target store and a Costco store are essentially the same, the court's analysis would also apply to a Target store. Therefore, an individual Target store is not a public forum, so that the Pruneyard case does not give people the right to petition at a Target store.

Albertson's v. Young 107 Cal. App. 4th 106 (2003)
This case further clarified that individual retailers within larger commercial developments are also not within the reach of the Pruneyard decision. In this case, the solicitor argued that he had a right to engage in expressive activity at the Albertson's store because the store was part of a large shopping center. The court rejected this argument stating "o establish a right to solicit signatures at the entrance to a specific store, it must be shown that the particular location is impressed with the character of a traditional public forum for purposes of free speech." Id. at 122. As noted above, a Target store is not itself a public forum. Therefore, there is no right to solicit signatures at the entrance to a Target store, even if the store is located in a shopping center.

These cases make clear that Target stores are not themselves within the reach of the Pruneyard decision and that we do not need to allow people to use our property for expressive activity. Even in shopping malls that are within the reach of the Pruneyard decision, the right under Pruneyard is to use the common areas of the mall, not the area directly outside the Target store entrance. Individuals wishing to use the common areas within shopping malls should address the matter with the shopping mall owner or operator, not with Target.

We will continue to enforce our no-solicitation policy in all stores, including California, as we believe that these recent cases demonstrate our right to control access to our property and provide our guests with a comfortable, distraction-free shopping experience.


http://sites.target.com/site/en/corporate/page.jsp?contentId=PRD03-001336#california
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 12:50 AM
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20. Target ain't Walmart.
Target is prmiarily a big city chain. Walmart specializes in smaller towns, where it is, in fact, the local mall.

From the material you posted:

The court in that case determined that the mall was a public forum because it was the functional equivalent of a traditional town square.
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