When it gets bad enough for bushites to bail, means it is REALLY bad

[uppityperson]

random thought here. We all know how bad it is, and how bad we fear it is. Now that bushites and former bush supporters (now known as "glyph". sorry) are bailing on him, this means it is bad enough for even them to notice, which means it is really really really bad. Sometimes it feels like a game, sometimes it comes home that things are really truly bad. This is one of those times. Just had to share. Thanks for reading.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

1. i understand where you're coming from.

these are the strangest days ever.

[mrcheerful]

3. Not really I saw them do the same thing when Nixon started his slide

First to leave? Rove and Dead eye Dick.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

4. I remember those days . . .

. . . and I remember a media that just wouldn't let up on the bastards.

This situation is surreal, in large part because the media is now part of the machine.

Helen Thomas seems like the only thoroughly functional journalist in DC!

I do agree that Rove and Dickweed will be sacrificed. And soon.

[uppityperson]

6. I remember those days, even though a teenager, but now seems different

more serious shit happening in the world. It is exciting that it is finally happening, but also depressing that it is bad enough for this many eyes to be opened. I keep hoping that "next time" it won't take as long, but I don't know.

[mrcheerful]

8. What makes you think things are so much different today then during

Nixon? We had a no win war going on, Students and protesters were being beat up and killed for doing what was a god giving right, voicing their opinions on the public forum. Black people were being arrested, beat and shot, remember the black panthers? All they were doing was watching the police, another american right back then. Plus on top of that we had a draft going on and if you refused to be involved in the draft You were hunted down, beat, arrested and sent to war. Unless you came from a rich family, then you could got to college or join the national guard and never have to face war. The only difference was there were jobs back then.

[uppityperson]

9. more environmental degration, peak oil, loss of jobs, unaffordable housing

bunch of financial differences, whole bunch of environmental differences, no draft yet but stop-loss and National Guard going to Iraq mean "voluntary" military not so voluntary. PATRIOT act, spying, paranoia now. Yes, I remember the Black Panthers, the Weathermen, know some of each. I remember Kent State too.

[mrcheerful]

13. You must have not lived around any foundries I take it

I remember in the 60's and 70's where you couldn't see 5 feet in front of your car when passing them. I also Remember being told in school that the major river that all the factories and foundries were built on didn't freeze during the winter because the current ran to fast. Only to see pics before the factories were built how there was ice on that river, and since a lot of them closed the rivers are now freezing. BTW, you forgot DDT and everything else that was used freely back then and how wild life and fish were dying all over. The first gas shortage was 1974. Most of todays environmental problems started back then, it was just ignored, you forgot how the bald eagle almost went extinct because of pesticides. You don't remember rivers so badly polluted that the only fish in them were carp, all the rest of the fish could not survive in the polluted water. BTW, there was job loss because of the auto industry having to retool the factories for smaller cars. Stop trying to sugar coat the good old days, they were not that much different then today, its just more people that talk about it today. The only reason things weren't as bad then as today was because welfare was there to pick up the slack.

[uppityperson]

14. only reason things weren't so bad then was because we had welfare?

You believe the only reason things weren't as bad in the 60's/70's is because welfare was there? Curious as to your age, wondering how old you were then. I'm a child of the 50's, was not aware of a lot of stuff going on then, and I am not trying to sugar coat the good old days, but saying that I think things are worse now. Yes, there was a lot bad then, but I think things are worse now. I have had this conversation with my parent who is 80+ yrs old, who agrees with me too.

[uppityperson]

12. forgot, aren't you Mr.Cheerful indeed

:rofl:

[mrcheerful]

15. Why because I won't play the freeper game of ignoring the past and sugar

coat the good old days with you, that means I can't be cheerful? I deal in reality not myth or fiction, in my neck of the woods I seen families of 10 living in one room shacks with no running water or indoor plumping. I remember when unless you worked for the big 3 you barely got by. I remember when GM workers went on strike for months and had to scrape by on any odd jobs they could get. I also remember a time when GM workers had second part time jobs to help out with the GM pay check. most of those things hgad changed by the time Nixon got elected , but your wrong saying things were great back in the good old days.

[uppityperson]

16. I am not saying things were great, just that things are worse now

And I like your name in conjunction with your non-cheerfulness. Are you accusing me of being a freeper now?

[mrcheerful]

17. And I just asked how come you think things are worse today because

the only differences I see are that just more people are involved in the mess. Nixon spied on americans not just Dem's. Most of the laws shrubs using came from Nixon and Raygun. People seem to forget just how hard things were for some, job loss actually started during Nixon's first term but the writing was already on the wall of what the future would be when in 1966 Japan dumped 1 million honda cycles on the american market and then used american media to sell those cycles. Under nixon Japan did it again with small compact cars. In 1969 the steel industry came under attack when Japan started selling steel at lower cost then american steel foundries could produce it for and american auto makers bought it from japan. Everything thats going on today has its roots planted with the election of Nixon. All that was needed was one thing, they got it under Raygun, deregulation. But to say things are that much different then today is just sugar coating the past. Theres just more people hurting today then there were 30 or 40 years ago, the sad part is people were warned that this was coming and everyone ignored it as them being paranoid after all the american government wouldn't let things get that bad. We the people ignored everything until things got to this point and like Pandoras box once opened closing it won't do any good.

[uppityperson]

18. so you are not accusing me of being a freeer, just freeperish behavior

As I asked above, post #14:

You believe the only reason things weren't as bad in the 60's/70's is because welfare was there? Curious as to your age, wondering how old you were then. I'm a child of the 50's, was not aware of a lot of stuff going on then, and I am not trying to sugar coat the good old days, but saying that I think things are worse now. Yes, there was a lot bad then, but I think things are worse now. I have had this conversation with my parent who is 80+ yrs old, who agrees with me too.


Added that I agree that a lot of what is going on now had a big boost by Raygun the actor, Raygun the King.

[mrcheerful]

20. I'm sorry too, I forget how some didn't live in a GM town and see the

hard ships non GM workers faced. I remember kids thats dads worked in other types of work where the kids came to school smelling because they had no running water to bathe in. I remember before welfare how people had 8 to 10 kids and they lived in one room shacks. I also remember the mexican kids thats families only income was the area farms and how the farmer built shacks for them to live in, and charge them rent. I grew up around a lot of poor people that were living day by day and seen class mates die of colds because the parents couldn't afford a doctor visit. Things got better for these people when welfare came along, it wasn't that they were lazy or wouldn't work, it was just impossible to do when they couldn't make enough to survive. The min wage law helped them also.

I was born in 1956, so most of what I remember was from 1966 on. I remember 11/22/62, I was gettimg home from kindergarten class and one of the neighbors came running up to my mom saying america was under attack. Mom asked what then. why, and he said JFK had just been shot and they thought he was dead. I also remember everything that the news was saying the next few weeks. Then the nightly news reports about nam.

[uppityperson]

21. working on a reservation in mid-west in 70's was an eyeopener for me

I lived in a town, without one big employer, migrant workers in summer but no 1 big employer so perhaps the generalizing of it helped. Min wage law helped. You sound like I feel when I hear people talking about making abortions illegal won't be so bad. I want to shake them and say "you have no idea".

[mrcheerful]

23. Yeah me too lol. I am a very cheerful person I just find dark humor in

life. BTW, I was helping the AA by going into prisons and helping them have AA meetings, I was given the nick Mr.Cheerful by a 80 year old convict, he said he never seen a person that could go through life with a smile and kind word for everyone even the scum like him. He wasn't scum he was a good guy that let emotions get the best of him in his youth. He died a few years ago at 83, 2 months before he was to be let out and put into an old folks home.

[Atman]

2. In the worst of Bill Clinton's troubles, he had 60% approval

and his supporters gathered around him, they didn't bail out. The republicans are bailing, but fast. They know.

[KyuzoGator]

5. This 32% approval rating represents the Bushbot "true believers"

Which is why I doubt it will dip much lower.

[babylonsister]

7. If they don't have the dough to fill their tanks, they'll start bailing. n

[Jane Austin]

10. They talk to each other. I think the "base" has propped each other up

for a long time. One couldn't bail for fear of letting down the side. Once a few of them defect, a bunch more are likely to, also.

[Justice Is Comin]

11. I'm saying it over and over now.

We're just one more major seismic event that cremes Bush with more criminal sleaze and they will have to go to him and tell him to resign.

And that whistleblower is out there, I'm sure of it.

[babylonsister]

19. Gawd, isn't the proof already out there? It's mind-blowing.

But Abramoff, Fitz, and the coming hurricane season and lack of response, not to mention the body count in Iraq, should effectively finish him. I just wish the Congress collectively would figure that out now before one more person dies because of their ineptness. :(

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. I Can't Totally Agree

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