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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:44 PM
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THOMAS JEFFERSON APPRECIATION THREAD!!
You're probably asking, "Why does Thomas Jefferson need an appreciation thread on DU?!"

Because, my dear friends, it is Thomas Jefferson who wrote the rules used by the 109th Congress - Section 603, to be exact - that declare:

In the House there are various methods of setting an impeachment in motion: by charges made on the floor on the responsibility of a Member or Delegate; . . . by a resolution dropped in the hopper by a Member and referred to a committee; by a message from the President; by charges transmitted from the legislature of a State or territory or from a grand jury.

Suck on it, neo-cons - even Guam could start the impeachment process rolling.

God bless Thomas Jefferson, old-school hardcore Democrat!!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:45 PM
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1. Yeah, He Was One Brillian MoFo!
He thought of everything!

And that's real, grassroots impeachment.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:45 PM
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2. I appreciate him!
:)
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:46 PM
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3. He strikes me more as an old-school Republican
He was fearful of big government, and for good reason.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:47 PM
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5. He was big into church-state separation, too
That's a big thing with Democrats today.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:07 PM
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21. He was the original left-wing libertarian.
He was as much a critic of the power of the rich as he was a critic of big government.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:46 PM
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4. Thank you TJ
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:47 PM
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6. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The signers of the Declaration represented the new states as follows:

New Hampshire
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts
John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

For additional information about the Declaration of Independence, see these sites:

National Archives and Records Administration: Declaration of Independence
Library of Congress: About the Declaration of Independence
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:58 PM
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9. It's beautiful, ain't it?
:hi:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:50 PM
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I'm a UVA alum, gotta love TJ!
His birthday was a couple weeks ago. I spent many fond hours up on the grounds of Monticello preparing for my master's thesis. Jefferson had more smarts embedded in a flake of his skin than our current resident NitWit has in his entire body.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:50 PM
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7. Thanks for everything, TJ. DU would be illegal if not for you. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:55 PM
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8. JFK said at a dinner of intellectuals at the White House:
I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.

John F. Kennedy
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:03 PM
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20. TJ was the most brilliant man to live in the White House, without question
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:10 PM
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32. That is a kick ass quote!
Thanks for sharing that.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:10 PM
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10. Aw, HELL no! KICK!!
:kick:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:20 PM
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11. THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

It spite of Christian right attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:27 PM
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12. "I have sworn upon the altar of God..."
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny imposed upon the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson

-- inscribed around his statue, in the Jefferson Memorial, in Washington DC.

Bless you, Thomas Jefferson! You tried, oh, how hard you tried, in every way you could think of, to prevent what has happened now, to this most revolutionary and hopeful of countries! It's up to us now, to restore what this man tried so hard to create: a bulwark of people power against executive tyranny.

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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:30 PM
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13. I'd say he was the right man at the right time
But really, he was the ONLY man at the right time. He GOT what it was about.

Thank you, Mr Jefferson.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:33 PM
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14. Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
S e c t i o n I.

Well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds; that Almighty God hath created the mind free, and manifested his supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of restraint; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, but to extend it by its influence on reason alone; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time: That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness; and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporary rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed theseare criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude hispowers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is adangerous falacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself; that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

S e c t i o n II.

We the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

S e c t i o n III.

And though we well know that this Assembly, elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding Assemblies, constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:36 PM
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15. Thomas Jefferson was a great man
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 05:36 PM by Mr_Spock
Chimp is, well, a man-chimp hybrid


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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:40 PM
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16. Guam starting impeachment would be bitchin' karma
So would Puerto Rico, for that matter.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:04 PM
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17. To one of the great American Founding Fathers . . .



Portrait of Jefferson from the website of the University of Virginia

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:07 PM
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18. To Jefferson!
:toast:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:35 PM
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19. "Jefferson's Revenge"
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 07:37 PM by autorank

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0604/S00294.htm

Jefferson’s Revenge

There is a little known set of supplementary rules for both the US Senate and House of Representatives developed by Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was clear on his opposition to centralized federal power and frequently sought balances giving states greater liberties and rights. Jefferson’s rules, Section 603, state:

Inception of impeachment proceedings in the House: … there are various methods of setting an impeachment in motion: by charges made on the floor on the responsibility of a Member or Delegate; by charges preferred by a memorial, which is usually referred to a committee for examination; by a resolution dropped in the hopper by a Member and referred to a committee; by a message from the President; by charges transmitted from the legislature of a State or territory or from a grand jury…”

The language in Jefferson’s parliamentary guidelines is clear. State legislatures can set “an impeachment in motion” with a “Joint Resolution” approved by the legislature (both the state Senate and Assembly). No state has taken advantage of this provision. In fact, it is so obscure; the majority of Vermont legislators who asked for impeachment did so in a formal letter to the House of Representatives rather than invoking Jefferson’s Rule 603.

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I appreciate Jefferson as a Virginian. Northern Virginia is like a shy Marin County. The rest of the state is more staid. Every few years the Falwell/Pat Robertson clones introduce some screw ball bill in the state legislature related to religion. There's always an older Virginian Senator from somewhere who stands up and quotes Jefferson as abhorring whatever lunacy is presented. This makes the bills vanish. Doesn't work with all stupidity like the anti gay legislation (which Mark Warner immediately vetoed) but it works most of the time to keep the barbarians outside of the gate.

Great post. Recommended.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:15 PM
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22. The Jefferson Bible.
The Jefferson Bible is also something to give Thomas a tip-o-the-hat for.

He literally cut 'n' pasted the moral lessons of the New Testament into his Reader's Digest version and deleted the miracles. (Well, most of them, divine birth, etc...)

Fight on, Derby, fight on.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 08:21 PM
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23. Tipping my hat. nt
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4nic8em Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:43 PM
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24. Telling it like it is...
"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles."

Thomas Jefferson, 1798
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:35 PM
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25. he is my hero and the first dem that was. bless his memory and
efforts.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:43 PM
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26. Experience hath shewn,
that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:48 PM
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27. People should go to their state Capitols
with this in hand, make congress do their job. Public hearings! More states on this the better. Let them hear what the people want.

Thank you Mr. Jefferson!



Heck, yes
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:53 PM
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28. If Jefferson were alive today
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 10:53 PM by Rocknrule
they'd declare him an enemy combatant and throw him in Gitmo along with Jesus, Ghandi, and MLK
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 10:55 PM
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29. Imperfect but brilliant, and a man who stood up to the fundies of
his day.

Yes. A great mind.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:02 PM
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30. What makes anyone think Bush would heed...
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 11:03 PM by davekriss
...an impeachment hearing initiatied through state action? He'd just have Gonzo-boy issue a position paper that claims the unitary executive can declare its-drippy-ick-self President-for-Life in times of danger (albeit false flag, manufactured, or just a baldfaced lie). Bush would traitorously ignore any action.

I can hear Cheney telling Bushboy in his best John Giotti guttural: "F*ck'em. What are they gonna' do about it?" To which Bushboy whines, "yea, but, what if they mean it, boss?" "They can't do nuthin' about it! I'm da f*ckin' boss here, not them, we don't have to 'splain ourselves to no-f*ckin-body, they just have to take it, see?!"

umm...

Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends; the law of the strongest takes its place, and life and property are his who can take them.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Annapolis Citizens, 1809




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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:06 PM
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31. Good Ol' Tom' Jeff'!
:applause:
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