Internet explorer 7 (Beta) As I put on my flame retardant suit.

[William769]

What can I say I like Microsoft. The new browser is AWESOME!






http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx

[stepnw1f]

1. Looks Clunky

and out dated.

[Toucano]

2. Puke! n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

3. Wow, it took only 6 years for them to copy Mozilla! Congratulations! -nt

[Sal Minella]

18. They lifted the whole "windows" concept from Steve Jobs, didn't they?

One concludes that trying to think up new things hurts their heads.

[Beelzebud]

27. And Steve Jobs stole it all from Xerox...

[alfredo]

28. Bullshit. Apple bought the technology from them and

Xerox got a cut of the action. Both Apple and Xerox did well by the deal.

[Beelzebud]

29. chill! chill! No need to freak out over a little joke...

[alfredo]

35. OK, but some people are still spreading that story as truth.

[Beelzebud]

36. Well it's a silly argument anyway. If not windows then what?

Do people really think the concept of "windows" wasn't something every GUI designer would have came up with? If Macs or Windows used a command line interface like the original Unix, no one would use any of it.

[alfredo]

63. I remember those pre Gui days. Even then we were trying

to make graphical representations using text. It would have happened anyway.

[Sal Minella]

56. I remember reading that the Powers-That-Were at Xerox at the time

looked at the working concept and decided it had no practical use.

[William769]

57. You are correct.

[alfredo]

61. It wasn't part of their core business. They made copying machines

It fit much better at Apple. I think Xerox ended up making $300 million on the deal. Not many people have lost money betting on Apple. You track AAPL over the past five years and compare it to other big names in the industry, and the Dow, Nasdaq, and S&P 500, you will see it out performs all of them.

Love or hate their products, you have to concede they have made some wise choices that has benefited the company and shareholders.

BTW, I bought in at $10 a share, and sold for a lot more when I cashed out all my stock holdings when bush took office.

[QC]

51. LIAR!!! Steve Jobs created the heavens and the earth and all

that is found within them! Blasphemer!

[alfredo]

33. They took the interface, turned it upside down and 180

horizontally to prevent Apple from suing them.

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. And Apple still sued

And lost.

[alfredo]

60. There were several suits, one was settled out of court. That one

was the one that had MS buying millions of non voting stock in Apple. That same suit gave Apple a promise to develop MS office for the Mac and gave Apple access to the Windows API. Just wait and see what Apple is going to do with that access. This article speculates about what was hinted at by some Apple employees back in the late 90's.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060420.html


Apple has used guerrilla tactics against MS. Jobs knew he couldn't fight out in the open. I remember the Apple tech telling me that they are going to do an end run. I was also told that content delivery would be the thing. They were putting a lot of effort into QuickTime and MPEG4. HyperCard died because they pulled their developers from that department into the QuickTime department. By the time MS launched WMA to compete with QuickTime, Apple had moved on to another front in the battle. Apple has kept MS busy responding to Apple's innovation and mind share.

The interface of XP is a poor attempt to pretty up their interface in response to OSX. Their answer to iMovie was half assed. iTunes has been ported to Windows, probably using the API obtained from that earlier lawsuit.

Being small an nimble has its upside.

BTW, Office for the Mac is a big money maker for MS. So big they have continued developing even after the 5 year agreement timed out.

[Greyhound]

64. Actually Jobs and the Woz lifted it from PARC

So if anybody has a claim to the interface it is Xerox

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

4. Well...awesome until it becomes an attack target.

I sense many new Microsoft "critical updates" on the horizon.

I won't even discuss the tabbed browsing ***cough***...

:evilgrin:

But...as long as Web Designers create content which can ONLY be viewed in IE, I guess IE is here to stay.

:toast:

[alfredo]

41. I think they are deveolping a series of fonts that can only

be viewed in IE and Windows.

http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=47&aid=78683

If you're using a Mac, like me, you may have already figured out that these new fonts usually won't work on your machine. The fonts can be viewed on Macs only if the operator of a website has licensed them for embedding or if an individual user has licensed them for personal use.

they look not much different from Ayuthana

Ayuthana

[aquart]

5. I don't understand tabs. I just don't.

[NMDemDist2]

9. tabs ROCK

instead of having multiple windows, they are all on the one window and you can pop back and forth

handy when cutting and pasting urls and they were invaluable when I was a mod. I could have several DU pages open at once

try em, you'll like em!

[aquart]

13. Still not understanding.

I have multiple DU windows open all the time. Why is it different?

Brain. not. good. enough.

[Atman]

32. It's not the same as having "multiple open windows"

Instead, you have "tabs" of the multiple window across the top of the browser. I was a slow convert, too, but now I find them indispensible. My wife doesn't use them, and it drives me nuts to watch her open half a dozen windows and then try to navigate between them! They're all right there at the top of the current page! Besides, if for some reason you have to have an seperate window open (like to watch video while browsing) you can still do so.

[Roland99]

58. I don't see how I lived without tabs before!

[Sal Minella]

17. I didn't either. Now I love them, 3-4 going at once on lively sites.

[The Revolution]

23. I don't either

I LIKE having multiple windows open at once. I don't see how the tabbed browsing is any different than just having multiple windows open and selecting them from the taskbar. Really all they did was take a piece of the task bar and move it into the window. So now instead of having one task bar, I have two...which just seems less convenient to me.

If tabbed browsing can be disabled, I will probably turn it off immediatly if I switch to the new browser.

[William769]

24. For one tabbing over multiple windows save alot of resources!

That alone is reason enough for me top use it.

[Beelzebud]

38. I didn't either until I tried them out.

And realized I didn't need a new instance of my browser being ran for each web page I was looking at.

Let's say, for whatever reason, you have 4 websites opened at once. Would you rather have 4 instances of IE running for each one, or 1 instance that has all 4 webpages being displayed in their own tabs?

[madokie]

6. Haven't tried it yet but will. hope you have a good suit, you'll need it.

[William769]

7. The new features that it offers are fantastic.

Even the fonts while reading are crisper.

[madokie]

25. I'm trying it now and once I figure it out I'll like it

I like changes

[William769]

26. Let me know what you think.

I have been using it all day & like everything that has changed. :)

[Speck Tater]

8. The interface looks like it was designed by...

Fisher-Price, or Play-Skool. It has that plastic toy look. I don't like it.

[WePurrsevere]

11. My 1st thought was that was designed by Bush's backdrop designers. n/t

[Submariner]

10. Sad to say

for some web sites I have to have IE to open it, to view some types of videos, or to be able to cut and paste, otherwise Firefox rules. I'll wait a couple of days and if I notice William769 stops posting, then I'll know IE gave him a blue screen of death x( :D

[WePurrsevere]

15. We usually use Slimbrowser or Avant instead of IE...

When a site doesn't like Firefox I pull it up on Slimbrowser just fine (not to mention rather fast). My DH uses both as well as tinkering and reviewing other programs. B-)

http://www.majorgeeks.com/Slim_Browser_d1404.html

SlimBrowser is a multiple-site browser based on tab-page interface. It incorporates a large collection of wonderful features like recoverable popup killer, skinned window frame, form filler, site group, quick-search, auto login, hidden sites, built-in commands and scripting, online translation, script error suppression, blacklist / whitelist filtering. It brings you convenient and comfortable browsing.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/Avant_Browser_d2346.html

Avant Browser is a fast, stable, user-friendly, versatile web browser. Avant Browser is a multi-window browser which features with many functions such as Pop-up Stopper, Built-in Google Searching, Safe Recovery, Integrated Cleaner and Advanced Browsing Options.
<snip>
Internet Explorer Compatibility: Avant Browser is compatible with all Internet Explorer functions, including Java Script, Cookies, Real player, Media Player, Internet Explorer Favorites, Macromedia Flash and ActiveX Controls.

edited to add: (cause I just remembered)... There's an add on for Firefox that makes it work like IE but, although I've been meaning to, I haven't tried it yet. If I can get our phone lines to stay connected I'll try to DL today though and try it later. B-)

[Submariner]

34. I'll take a look at that

that would make the flipping around easier. Thx.

[William769]

20. LOL

Since Windows XP, I am happy yo say that has not happened.

[SpiralHawk]

12. Why you no good dirty rat...

How could you? LOL

[Rude Horner]

14. I'm using it right now

Tabbed browsing is a welcome addition, as I used it in Firefox all the time, but I don't care for the whole toolbar setup up on top. I think the toolbar area looks a lot like Netscape version 7, which I didn't care for. Still, there are parts of my job that require IE, so I use it. I will say that the "Quicktabs" feature is kinda cool.

I'm neither a Microsoft lover, nor hater. As a systems administrator, I find a lot of their stuff to be quite good and easy to use, when it works. :)

[ET Awful]

16. Does it offer anything that Firefox doesn't?

Personally, I'm not that biased one way or the other, I just like Firefox because of the security and tabbed browsing features.

I've hear this version of IE fixes that, so it might be worth checking into.

No flaming from me :P

[William769]

21. I do not know, I have never used Firefox.

:shrug:

[SmokingJacket]

37. Try it! It's very solid and almost never crashes or

anything. When I switched over from IE, my whole computer sped up, too...

[Joanne98]

81. Who owns Firefox? Will it be an IPO someday?

[Jersey Devil]

22. I have trouble with Firefox opening videos

Lots of times when I try to play videos at places like Crooks & Liars or Can O Fun I have to use MSIE because Firefox just won't open them.

[boise1]

44. Try the "IE Tab" extension

If you get a page that only displays or functions correctly in IE, right-click and choose "open in IE Tab". Firefox will open the page in an Internet Explorer view.

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419/

[Sal Minella]

69. Download successful, icon in bar, still won't play comedycentral videos

so where do I go from here? Unclick a box somewhere?

Love Firefox except it won't play comedycentral.com videos!!!

[boise1]

72. Works ok for me

Do you have an adblocker possibly preventing the video from playing?

[Sal Minella]

83. Opened Norton security, went to "Ad blocking", went to "Configure"

went to "advanced", entered url for comedycentral.com so it appears in left column and got all happy while going to comedy central site.....where the vids still don't play. In either i.e. or Firefox. But it's going to be handy to be able to switch engines to try on other sites Fox doesn't like.

You know what? If this is the worst problem I have today, I'm just not going to complain.

I hated i.e. SO BAD that it's worth missing out on a few things to live in Firefox.

[Ignacio Upton]

30. What about those stupid "The Operation Timed Out" errors

Those drive me crazy.:banghead:

[mainegreen]

19. Without XUL, it's nothing.

:evilgrin:

[Solon]

31. Just a little funny thing with that screenshot...

Those with Firefox would notice, the Newsreader icon, the "radio" button on that shot, is FROM firefox. Granted, Microsoft asked permission to use it for IE7, because it is now considered a standard look. Even though I heard that their CSS support is only partial, which is pathetic, welcome to the year 2004!

ON EDIT: Get rid of ActiveX, completely support CSS and utilize XUL and I MIGHT try it, till then, IE is still a pale version of Firefox with a pretty face. Then again, in order to get me back to Windows, abandon DRM, create a SANE user/admin security model, and for crying out LOUD, GET RID OF THAT STUPID ASSED ACTIVATION SCHEME!!!

[Atman]

39. I still don't understand why MS insists on giving so much real estate to..

...the title bar. ALL RIGHT ALREADY! I KNOW IT'S INTERNET EXLORER! It's larger than the damned address bar! WTF?? And the tabs are the size of band-aids. Not to mention the 15 pixels of wasted space underneath the addy bar...MS hires children to design this stuff, I swear! They fuck up everything they steal!

[Atman]

40. I hear it offers a direct link to your bank account!

And puts all your private information in one easy location to save hackers time.

:rofl:

God, I hate Microsoft!

[discopants]

42. Funny that the Explorer logo is repeated 4 times in that one image

That's Microsoft branding for you!

[Xenotime]

43. Browsers suck...

I'm tired of looking at the net through a "window". I'm talking Macs too! Unix. There needs to be something new.

[Midlodemocrat]

45. Why can't I get it to download?

The tab thing would be really, really helpful to me for work. I clicked on the download link, but it won't work.

:shrug:

[Solon]

47. Here, let me help...

Click here:
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

:evilgrin: Seriously now, if you are going to use a browser for work related activities, do NOT use a beta, and Firefox is both stable and has tabs.

[Midlodemocrat]

49. LOL. Thanks. I do use Firefox.

I need to have several windows open simultaneously, so I was just going to compare.

[William769]

53. I don't know what to tell you, it worked fine for me.

[madokie]

68. I just downloaded it this morning just fine, and if I can figure it out

[GoneOffShore]

46. It's not Firefox

or Safari.

Get firefox and live without popups and malware.

[Gold Metal Flake]

48. MS sez XP only. Anyone tried it with ME yet?

Also, I assume that it is still bundled with Outlook Express with the OE newsgroup reader. Has that portion been upgraded as well? Does it have yenc support yet?

[LiberalPartisan]

76. FYI - M.E. end of life is July 2006

End of life for Windows ME and Windows 98 and Windows 98se is 11 July 2006. There will be no more upgrades, service packs, security updates or support for those operating sytems after that.


http://www.microsoft.com/windows/support/endofsupport.mspx

[originalpckelly]

50. IE is the the biggest piece of Bullplop ever put out. Just say no. (n/t)

[William769]

52. Tell us how you really feel.

[jsamuel]

54. It is destroying my website...

i might have to redesign like half of the website because they are changing everything. My website already works in both IE6 and Firefox... wtf?

[jsamuel]

78. wasn't as bad as I first thought, it was just one setting I had to change

it looked horrible at first though...

[Ioo]

55. I don't understand, why would I get IE7 - already have it, called FireFox

Why would I go and download what is, in short, a Microsoft's messup of FireFox.

[charlie]

62. Gack

It. just. won't. go. away...

[Greyhound]

65. You say you like M$ but fail to give any reason why.

Is it because you work for them? Because you don't know anything about computers? Because you have M$ stock? Why?

[William769]

67. I trust them,

I do not work for them, I am retired and I am retired from a Government job in the State of Florida. I built my first computer in 1987 (not that I am tooting my own horn) So I know just a little bit about computers. I don't have stock in Microsoft.

Knowing the Histor of Bill Gates, I consider him the Thomas Edison of our time. Agree with me or not thats how I feel about him.

[Greyhound]

71. OMG, are you serious?

You've been using computers almost as long as I have, so I have to ask, what has he ever done except lie, cheat, and steal? Do you remember DR-DOS? Do you know he coined the term and strategy of FUD? Do you know it is not normal for a computer to simply stop working from time to time? Do you know the main purpose of the XP registration scheme is to gather information on you? Do you know the stated goal of M$ is to force everybody to have to pay M$ every month?

My God man, I could fill a dozen of page just listing the crimes they have committed, and several dozen more citing the innovations and benefits they have killed to maintain their dominance. Why would you trust them?

[William769]

73. You try to talk the talk & try to walk the walk but you still come up

short. If what you say is true, he'd be in prison.

XP registration transfers no personal information.

When your ready to come up with cold hard facts instead of the gibberish that all people have that hate Microsoft then we'll talk.

ON EDIT: most eveything you have said is a he said she said situation.

[Greyhound]

77. Your mind is clearly made up so I'm not going to spend a lot of time

documenting all of his crimes (BTW when the coup was carried out, he was well on his way to indictment, thus the enormous "contributions" to the re:puke:s). But the case of DR-DOS is well documented and available all over the net. If you are honest and willing to learn, the evidence will speak for itself. Remember, Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD).

But hey, it makes no difference to me, except that I have to run this POS windoze box. You can believe whatever myths you wish to.

[William769]

80. The X files

Did your last post come from this fantasy show?

[Toucano]

85. "If what you say is true, he'd be in prison."

That could be said of so many guilty people who aren't in prison. You're not seriously that naive, I'm sure.

How about Bush, Rove, Cheney, Condi, Kissinger, Pinochet, etc.

The worst crimes always go unpunished.

[Name removed]

102. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jsamuel]

79. Comp. Scientist - I trust open source, not MS, that is why I trust Firefox

code is right there, anyone can read it.

Voting machines should be the same way or not exist.

[Tactical Progressive]

84. Gates is like Thomas Edison

if Thomas Edison had lied, cheated and stolen his way to success.

[William769]

87. Oy vey!

You all really need to change your meme. It's laughable! :rofl:

[Atman]

90. Oh yeah, look! You've got a "rofl" smiley! You sure proved your point!

Man, I've seen some delusional people before, but I can't believe what I've read in your posts, William. You aren't even attempting to offer any defense, just smilies. The other posters are absolutely correct. Gates WAS in serious legal trouble until Bush got into office, at which point a senior VP at MS was appointed as Bush's "Technology Czar," and then all the DOJ charges went away. Gates has been open in the past about wanting "MS Money," plastic money, with all the transactions handled by MS -- for a fee, of course. Gates/MS has stolen, strong-armed or simply bought out literally EVERY innovative feature or piece of software in it's repetoire. They are the very worst of what a coporation is about. And their software is the most amateurish crap ever foisted on the market; poorly designed, graphically childish and notoriously insecure. Everything I just posted can be looked up and you could educate yourself if you wanted to.

But you have a rofl smiley. YOU WIN!

[William769]

92. Talk about delusional !

I posted nothing about Bill Gates I was letting people know about IE7. The delusional one's are the one's that have a hard on for Bill Gates.

Let's see he's one of the richest men in the world, he gives more to charities than alot of Countries GNP.

Bill Gates is a smart man, Should I fault him for that? NOT! His Buddy Steve could have learned a thing or two from him. And as for the Bill gates hate fest. GET OVER IT!

And just for you heres another :)

[Atman]

94. Yeah, Jobs is in SUCH bad shape!

Now I get to use one...

:rofl:

[William769]

95. Just think of where he could be sitting.

But I still love people that are loyal to people that can have their own friggin company taken away from them! Yea theres a winner for ya!

Balls in your court!

[SoCalDem]

66. I fell for it and now I cannot play any video on it so I went with Firefox

and on MS, since I use large fonts, it made me scroll on EVERYTHING.. what a pain in the ass.. I couldn;t figure out how to get rid of it, so now I just use Firefox

[madokie]

70. Well you asked me this morning to let you know what I thought

I like it. I haven't got it all figured out yet but I won't be going back. I tried firefox a couple years ago and I don't remember exactly what but I didn't like it and worked a couple days to get it off my 'puter, think I refomated and reloaded everything actually, best I can remember. I tried real player too but I like media player 10 much better. I guess you could say I like windows.

[William769]

74. We are a dying breed on DU. Go figure.

[madokie]

82. Yea we are. I started with dos 3 and went to windows only after

win95 ah scratching and screeming the whole durn way. What would I want to get on the damned internet for type mentality, but that sure has changed. anyways I sure will like the tab feature once it figures out its gonna work the way I want it not the other way around, if you know what I mean. I guess all I really ask for is does it work and the new ie seems to be an improvement. Been reading about it for some time, looking forward to working the bugs out.

[LiberalPartisan]

75. I've been testing IE-7 since alpha.

And I like it. I like FireFox too.

The pluses for IE-7 to date are:

• Very fast page rendering - faster than FF or Opera to my eye
  
• Superb RSS support
  
• The Phishing filter is a good idea - time will tell if it's really a benefit
  

Minuses which probably will remain in the release version

• No way to set the minimum text size for a page - have to use a zoom button or command key combination (Ctrl +/-)
  
• Increasing the font size (ctrl-plus) will yeild a horizontal scroll bar - FireFox doesn't do this (IE team knows about this but it won't be fixed in time for release)
  
• Not 100% CSS standards compliant.
  

Overall I am very pleased with the IE-7 beta. I will be curious how it will stand up to the script kiddies.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. Cool. Did You Download It Yet? Is It Ok? And Thanks!

I'm gonna download it in a bit. If you did already it's working out well so far?

[William769]

88. Works like a dream for me!

:)

Although some people if you read some of the posts would say that I am lying.

[Atman]

91. No one has said you're lying, William.

Having an MS product work properly certainly is similar to a dream, I agree! It's foggy, hard to remember, and eventually you wake up and it all goes away.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

97. Your Opinion Is The Only One That Matters Right Now, So Thanks!

I'm gonna download it tomorrow. :)

[madokie]

89. works for me just fine, not sure about me though

[William769]

93. Practice makes perfect.

Just ask Microsoft! (no pun intended).

[Gold Metal Flake]

98. I D/Led and loaded it yesterday evening.

Installation was easy and it migrated my favorites and my home page. I was still logged in to my home page when I went there. Tabs are easy to deal with. The default settings have the tabs opening behind the active page, but you can change that so that the opened tab becomes active (ala Netscape varients).

The icons are all grouped differently and will take some time to get used to, but you can activate a "classic" tool bar if you need it. Starts quickly as usual. Fonts are displayed a bit differently. So far, looks OK. The Beta did not come with a new version of OE.

I loaded it and nothing exploded.

[William769]

101. Great!

The more I use it the more I like it! :)

[Imagevision]

96. you can also drag all tabs anywhere left to right

[B3Nut]

99. IE7 broke a major filesystem function

A system with IE7 beta breaks normal access to the Internet cache folders (normally hidden). In a normal Windows install with IE6, I can navigate to the Documents and Settings/User/Local Settings/Temporary Internet Files/ directory and toggle through any jpg and gif files with an image viewer. IE7 breaks this ability and eliminates the "Open With..." choice from the contextual menu in only the cache folders. It's the same whether I'm viewing those files on a local machine or on a remote machine through the administrative share.

Why do I need to snoop through those? I'm one of the administrators where I work, and sometimes I need to see what kinds of images have been loading on a given box. And I have to take a dim view of a Web browser that does *anything* to a machine's filesystem. So it's back to IE6, and I use Firefox for actual browsing at work and home anyway. IE7 didn't impress me much at all, you can't put the toolbars and menubars where they belong.

Todd in Beerbratistan, IT mook

[William769]

100. Theres a tool out there called

SYNCTOY, that really rocks about the issue you just mentioned.

[Gold Metal Flake]

103. Ah found a bug.

I listen to Launchcast. It has a little popup applet that identifies the song, artist and album and allows you to score it and other stuff. Well, in IE7, that little popup opens as a complete tabbed page, and the graphics are tiled and it looks like hell.

I wonder if it's the same if you stream from local stations which use Liquid Audio or those streaming applets that have an ad window. I'll try it later.

I'll let MS know.