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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:21 PM
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I am Pro-Choice and Pro-Life
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 08:23 PM by louis c
Let me explain.

I believe a woman has a right to choose whether or not to bring her pregnancy to term. If she chooses to abort that pregnancy it should be done legally in a safe and secure environment.

But I am truly pro-choice. If that same woman should choose to bring a child into this world she should have all the care that is needed. Health care, provided by the state until that child reaches adulthood. That child should have nutrition, medical care, the finest education, job opportunities and a peaceful world. That is what being pro-life really means. The government should take on this responsibility and I am willing to pay my fair share.

You see, too many of America's right-wing wackos aren't pro-life at all, they're pro-birth. They couldn't care less if the child is educated, nourished, housed, healthy or shipped off to a needless war.

That's why when someone asks me my position on abortion I can proudly say that I am pro-choice and pro-life and my right wing friends then have to listen to my explanation. They don't like it and they don't ask me again.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:22 PM
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1. pro choice does not mean pro abortion - pretty simple
I just don't know why people think the other way

Thanks for posting this;)
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:24 PM
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2. I As Well.
But I'm pro life in the sense of believing that the pregnancy should be sustained whenever possible (especially after 12 weeks) with exception to extreme circumstances, and pro choice in the sense that I wouldn't force that strong opinion of mine into an enforced reality on all.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:35 PM
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3. I say I am anti-abortion but pro-choice. n/t
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:37 PM
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4. I'm with you. It's a complex issue, and to hear the way my
Repub cow-orkers tell it, folks are running around forcing women to have abortions.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:50 PM
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6. Doesn't that just drive you nuts? They act like anyone who is
pro-choice wants to see every pregnancy aborted.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 06:48 AM
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8. kick in the morning
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:44 PM
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5. New term suggestion
Instead of titling our stance Pro Choice, how about we call it Birth Choice?
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:51 PM
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7. I believe in real alternatives...
if money is an obstacle towards having a child that you would otherwise want... let's improve women's career advancement and pay.

if lack of health insurance is an issue, let's get universal health insurance.

if lack of child care is an issue, let's get universal creche's ... same for caregiving.

if timing is bad, let's get the word out on contraception and cover it with health insurance...

let's make it possible for women to have wanted children...

if you just cant have a child for whatever reasons and need an abortion, then it should be safe, legal, and rare... no hassle.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 09:07 AM
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9. Since that's what Pro-Choice really means, you might skip the "Pro-Life"?
What a great post. You've said this very well.

Except you tip it in the direction of reclaiming their misleading term from THEM, instead of pointing out that Pro-Choice INCLUDES all the concepts you've covered. THAT is the real education that needs to happen, whether it's Repugs, church followers or DUers.

"I believe a woman has a right to choose whether or not to bring her pregnancy to term. If she chooses to abort that pregnancy it should be done legally in a safe and secure environment. But I am truly pro-choice. If that same woman should choose to bring a child into this world she should have all the care that is needed. Health care, provided by the state until that child reaches adulthood. That child should have nutrition, medical care, the finest education, job opportunities and a peaceful world."

We're with you so far-- instead of "That is what being pro-life really means" try ""That is what being pro-choice really means."

It may work to get through to these "right wing friends" but PLEASE DON'T ADOPT THEIR MISLEADING LINGO.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 03:40 PM
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13. i think we might need to change the language
because too much is posited in terms of for or against an abortion and not about having all support necessary to have a family on the terms that lead to healthy families.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:57 PM
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14. It's about the rights of women to freedom, privacy & sovereignty
Edited on Fri Apr-28-06 07:58 PM by omega minimo
of their own bodies. People who think it is "posited in terms of for or against an abortion" are choosing to leave out the unfashionable concept of Women's Rights!!!

Respecting the FACT that women have rights over their own bodies and lives and a Constitutionally supported right to privacy regarding reproductive health, means that one's personal attitudes and hypothetical "choice" regarding abortion is SUPERCEDED by the rights of other citizens' private lives.

Rather than "change the language" we need to get Democrats to quit running away from Women's Rights.

:kick:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:08 AM
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10. .
kick!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:14 AM
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11. I'm pro-INDIVIDUAL-choice
I explain to people that once the ability to choose is turned over to the government, it doesn't matter whether you're for or against abortion under any circumstance. The government can change it's mind and you won't have a thing you can do about it once the "choice" has been relinquished.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 11:31 AM
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12. The issue is getting larger -- they want to increase the population...
They are going to create hype about how we need for people to pay social security, so the wing-nuts are going to become more fervent in their belief that women should be forced to give birth. This is nothing less than an encroachment on our freedom and discrimination against women. How is it they don't understand that a woman's body is her own property? Not to mention the fact that the RW has no intention of outlawing abortions since they have no intention of investing in the thousands of orphanages that would then be needed. It's nothing but a stunt on their part.
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