South Park and those with little to no sense of humor.

[HornBuckler]

I've been here since the beginning, mostly a lurker, I admit. However, you guys disappoint me something fierce (not that you give a damn). The intellectual rants and posts of yesteryear are long gone - replaced by commentary on one of the best TV shows in modern history being misunderstood by -GASP- seemingly intelligent liberals. I said this before in a different thread but it needs repeating. Liberals have the strangle hold on artistic talent : Musicians, artists, comedians, etc. Why? Because we ARE philanthropists. If you can't find the humor in South Park you really are getting too old/convoluted in your own BS. I think this underlying trend turns off a lot of potential liberals.


Flame on.

[valerief]

1. Someone doesn't like South Park? Bah, must be a neocon. n/t

[HornBuckler]

3. Not necessarily

But you might admit that people on 'our' side can be a bit 'holier than thou'. Eh?

[valerief]

10. Wah! The holy people are taking mah pah! Wah! n/t

[HornBuckler]

13. What?

[valerief]

19. Your holier than thou with early Cartman's my pie. Sheesh. You're

killing the joke, bucko.

[HornBuckler]

41. Didn't catch it, sorry

I saw mah pah and I was lie WTF? Mah Pah phonetically sounds like my paw - I get it now.

:)

[valerief]

49. You are absolved, my son. n/t

[seriousstan]

2. It is only funny is someone else's bull is being Gored.

:evilgrin:

[MadMaddie]

4. I love South Park...they pick on everyone which is fine with me.

I happen to like crass comedy....No flame here....

[HornBuckler]

6. I agree

Thanks, I can see there are some people that are still with it. Believe me, I can empathize with the shit our country is going through. However, South Park is really on our side, whether you can see it or not.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

5. Okay, I admit I'm lost. Explain the finer points of Oprah's vagina.

Some lost metaphor?

And I have no idea what you mean by this: "Liberals have the strangle hold on artistic talent : Musicians, artists, comedians, etc. Why? Because we ARE philanthropists."

Liberals make the cheritable donation of...talent?

[HornBuckler]

9. Yep.

I said this before, If you are a die hard Republican in today's climate what music could you listen to and not feel like a hypocrite?

Uhhh

Hmmm

Toby Keith?


Certainly not any of the greats..... Dylan,Beatles,Stones etc etc etc etc.

[HornBuckler]

12. I forgot to address the finer points of Oprah's Minge

It was freakin' hilarious...... It can't all be topical can it? However, I think it was great that they attacked Oprah after her lambasting the guy that wrote a somewhat fictional book represented as true.

Kinda like the Bible eh?

[Dorian Gray]

7. Please...

not all comedy appeals to all people. Some like Blazing Saddles, others like South Park, while others may prefer the comedic stylings of Carrot Top. Who cares?

[HornBuckler]

11. Well of course

Not all Comedy appeals to ALL people. No shit. Good Comedy appeals to Good People in my opinion. Like if someone says to me George Carlin sucks they are forever labeled an idiot in my mind. It's just that simple with me.

[dhill926]

15. Man...

I've never known anyone who prefers Carrot Top...

[valerief]

22. Bush supporters. n/t

[Renew Deal]

8. I agree with you.

South Park is often topical and current. They do a good job of showing another point of view.

Edit: I wrote this before I heard about the latest controversy. :nuke:

[Swamp Rat]

14. More than half the people I know who like South Park are over 60 yrs old.

[HornBuckler]

17. My parents included.

People over 60 have the wisdom to know good humor when they see it.... Thanks, I appreciate your comment.

[Swamp Rat]

26. Oh yeah, U.S. soldiers love South Park too.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. inserting flame here.......

south park is crap, and has been since season 2. i don't understand why the south park supporters feel they have to bully people into liking/watching it. i watched a stone/parker interview on ovation network, and.........:puke:

i agree with a poster on another thread who aptly pointed out that with all the controversy (indictments, bribes, money laundering, outing a covert c.i.a. agent, etc) surrounding the g.o.p. these days, al gore is who they choose to target?

"potential liberals"??????? yeah, right.

[HornBuckler]

24. Ahhhhh

Doesn't sound like you have watched much of it as of late. I don't want to bully anybody into liking or watching it - just those that criticize seem to do so with either a 'holier than thou' attitude or one of complete ignorance.

Yeah, sure there are a ton of other more worthy targets. Seeing as they have an assload of episodes under their belt and they attack Al Gore is hardly a reason to cry and whine like Al Gore is the definitive liberal or something.

I voted for Al, and I would do so again. However the vagrant down the street would be a better candidate than Gore or Bush.

[valerief]

27. Aren't Parker and Stone diehard Republicans anyway? n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

29. Bullshit you're not bullying.

"being misunderstood by -GASP- seemingly intelligent liberals"
"driving away potential liberals"
"If you can't find the humor in South Park you really are getting too old/convoluted in your own BS"

And another poster in one of the South Park threads is much worse

You just called people who don't like south park stupid and a liability. I don't like south park, not because it makes fun of liberals, I don't like it because it's not funny. I can laugh at the left, Family Guy, Simpsons, American Dad, Daily Show, Colbert, Harvey Birdman...I like all of those, regardless of who they are making fun of. I just don't like South Park, and I'm sick of people telling me "well you just don't get it". I don't give a shit if 6 billion people on the planet like South Park, I don't and unless they change the format completely, I probably never will.

[HornBuckler]

34. That's bullying?

I am simply getting my point across that South Park is a good show in my opinion. Just like Futurama, which you most obviously enjoy. It's a great show. I don't understand all the people here giving shit to SP because they made fun of Al Gore. Boo Hoo.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

37. You aren't defending the show, you're attacking its detractors.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. thanks SCQ......

you put it much more succintly than i ever could......awful show, and quite frankly, i don't hold south park devotees in very high esteem, intellectually. but, people like what they like. i've just seen too many south park threads of late where the o.p. accuse those of us who find the show totally "unfunny" of not having a sense of humor. the show sucks!!!

[mikelewis]

43. A vagrant would be better than Al Gore?

Wow, are you fishing in the wrong pond.

[HornBuckler]

45. Been in this pond a long time my freind

Yeah, the right vagrant, yeah.

Oh, and we'd have to make sure the votes actually COUNT that would help too.

:)

[progdonkey]

75. I, for one, have "watched much of it lately"...

and this season has been total and utter shit, with the exception of the Chef Returns episode and some parts of the Cartoon Wars (though few and far between).

Everything else has been absolute shit. Not just "shit relative to their normal output," but "makes Pauly Shore look like fucking Richard Pryor."

The whole Towelie episode was probably their worst ever. The one tonight was derivative and really pathetically lazy "oh, look, Al Gore has a lisp and keeps saying 'serial,'" (which I honestly must say I didn't get at all) har har har. Oprah's pussy taking everyone hostage? Oh, wait, I FUCKING ALREADY SAW THAT ON FAMILY GUY (you know, the show that Matt and Trey say has no creativity) WHEN CHRIS' ZIT HELD HIM AT GUN-POINT!! (and it was already pretty stupid, there). The whole hybrid car thing, with the "cloud of smug" engulfing SF; it was just stupid.

Honestly, other than the Chef Returns episode (which was absolutely perfect; makes me think all of their energy went in to that one, and they're just phoning the rest in) and a few bits of Cartoon Wars, what in the other episodes was worth being put to screen?

And it's not that they're making fun of Al Gore, it's that they're making fun of him in the stupidest way possible: having him talk with the standard-parody lisp and saying "serial" instead of "seriously." That's it. That's all they could say to make fun of Gore. There was no greater point made about hypocrisy; it was just, "Yeah, he's such a douche."

It's lazy. That's why it's not funny.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. sorry but so far this season has been pretty lame.

I've been a fan for years, but all good shows run out of steam, and it seems to me that south park has gotten there too. It's tired, old, lame and stupid.

[Placebo]

62. I agree.

It's like they're just making up any garbage story lines, which take a really long time to build up, just so they can get in a jab at someone. It's just not funny this season.

[Extend a Hand]

20. *sigh* I must be getting old

The few times I've seen the show it seemed to be mostly juvenile gross out humor.

[Tigress DEM]

32. Yah. That's the show. However... for it's type it is very good.

At least there is a message delivered with all the grossology.

I usually love the points they are making, but can't stand the delivery method. I'm not into Acid or Grunge Rock either. Can only tolerate Classical or Bluegrass when I'm in the right mood.

I like what I like and while I'm no where near dead yet, I'm old enough to know what I like. That isn't a bad thing.

[helderheid]

21. I have to agree with you here. We can dish it out with Cruise but

can't take it with Gore?

It's a CARTOON.


edited to add that not finding something funny versus being offended are 2 very different things

[valerief]

25. I concur. n/t

[incapsulated]

23. Have they brought back Towlie?

I'm willing to start watching again if they do. :)

Actually, I'm sorry I missed the Mohammad cartoons episode, I wanted to see that.

[skids]

67. Yeah, find the Oprah episode. n/t

[Tigress DEM]

28. It's called "diversity." Get over your judgmental bias.

Different people find different things funny at different times of their lives.

I am sure there is a lot of great political commentary and humor in South Park, but I dislike profanity and the multiple deaths of Kenny Boy is like re-runs of the Three Stooges - it gets old after awhile.

For those who find it amusing. That is great. But just because we are DEMs does NOT mean we ALL have to like the same shows. GAG.

Next you will be suggesting we should all wear matching outfits. Sigh.

[HornBuckler]

30. What you are suggesting is nothing of what I have posted.

No, I don't give a rip if you don't like it. But there have been a lot of threads lambasting South Park as a tool of the right wing etc... that's complete horse shit.

Like what you want - do what you want. I don't care.

[incapsulated]

33. yeah, you DO care.

Or you wouldn't have posted this thread. And you are attacking people simply for not finding the show funny, and even insinuating that they are "turning off potential liberals" just because they don't like a cartoon, for fuck's sake!

"If you can't find the humor in South Park you really are getting too old/convoluted in your own BS."

[HornBuckler]

39. Well... Ok... You Got Me

It's true.

The main thing that turns me off from so many folks here is that they really have no idea how to have good time and lighten up. So many of us here are so damn anal and lame it's disgusting. If you remember DU from 2002 you know the types of threads we used to have. It's just like liberals though I guess. We start to divide amongst each other before we ever become 'whole'. Kinda like some giant amoeba.


This thread is shit, I agree - but I just wanted to point the above out.

[incapsulated]

42. Lemme tell you...

Some of the worst flamefests have been over South Park in this forum, believe it or not! You will have to get to several hundred posts to live up to that tradition, lol.

I used to love the show, but it started to get repetitive to me. :shrug:

[HornBuckler]

44. Well you're probably right

But my comment about us dividing before we become anything formidable definitely has merit. It's weird, even here on a web site we have divided amongst each other (ignore the SP thing at the moment) it's really disturbing. The Repubs are always cohesive, we are always infighting.

[incapsulated]

47. yeah, well...

People here like to argue, and we aren't bots like the repukes. Wait until the primaries before you get disturbed. Then you will have a good reason, heh.

DU'ers stand together when it counts, though. Like during the election. After that, fight like rabid dogs sometimes, what can you do.

[HornBuckler]

51. I hear you

If we don't gain some sort of control in 2006 I have no idea what I'll do - What will you do?

[incapsulated]

58. I don't worry...

Because I know we will win back the majority, I really do. Much more so than the 2004 election. Bush is circling the drain and the worst imaginable thing for the republicans has happened: gas prices have gone way up. You just don't let that happen without getting punished, severely, by 'muricans.

[Tigress DEM]

66. Rethugs pretend to be cohesive, but they are all fighting...

over Karl Rove's brain cells and Cheney's cajohnes. It's just they are fighting to look like the best little clones in the faithful army.

Don't mistake desperate clinginess as cohesion. On their own, they haven't an original thought or the courage to find one.

This is not to say ALL repubs are rethugs. Some even are questioning their fearless leader - finally.

Our "infighting" is the natural result of allowing everyone to have their own opinion and speak up as desired. I REALLY VALUE these kind of discussions. When I stand up for my own truths and listen to others, I often come away with a better real idea of what I believe.

Our "infighting" is also the result of freepers and trolls and massive mis-information that we have to overcome daily to even know what facts to believe to form an opinion.

Still, most of the time if one is persistent, you can have a great conversation with someone you don't agree with here even if you start out on polar opposite ends of an issue.

[HornBuckler]

69. That's true

and that is why I appreciate a lot of people here. Some of you are downright brilliant. some, err not so much :)

thanks again!

[Tigress DEM]

54. Don't get down about your thread. Please!

Having a passion about getting people to lighten up and posting about something you believe in is AWESOME.

As long as everyone doesn't have to agree with you, go out and sing your song! DU is here for you. Well, most of us.

I understood when you clarified your position that I had taken your meaning too literally. Hey, we've all put things out there that sounded so good in our head, but had a meaning that was more harsh than we thought or ambiguous.

Still, you got up on your soapbox and did you thing. Be proud! And a LOT of people DO like South Park.

[HornBuckler]

60. I appreciate it

Thanks.

Been here since the beginning, don't post much because of things like this - but I check in just about everday - guess I should donate again, it's been awhile.... used to have a gold star :(

[Tigress DEM]

36. Definately NOT a Right Wing TOOL.

And it is good for it's type. As long as we ALL don't have to like it to be good DEMs, I can support you in getting the Truth out there about South Park.

My son loves it. Guess that makes me old. Oh well. I've been worse.

Peace.

[valerief]

53. I think Parker and Stone just like to push the envelope.

Although, I must say that Family Guy raises my eyebrows more than South Park. I love what they get away saying!

[HornBuckler]

56. Family Guy is awesome

and the SP making fun (sort of) Family guy is great - if you haven't seen it (it's this season and a two parter) it's really good.

One of my freinds got pissed at the episode because they thought they were making fun of Family Guy. They were, but from a point of admiration. I made him watch it again and he agreed. Sometimes people get so defensive.

[valerief]

63. Family Guy is pure evil. Who would have a problem with that?

That's what humor is all about.

Damn folksingers ruin everything.

[HornBuckler]

65. Yeah

They do... :)

Guess I should put my harmonica down.

[HornBuckler]

31. Oh Well I Missed One Of Your Points.

You don't like the stooges? Okay, that's it

You have no sense of humor.

:)

[Tigress DEM]

46. I DO like the Stooges... just not every night. Variety is THE point.

That and gratutious swearing. Those particular words are SO overused. I live in a big city and all the RAP and people who keep it "real" gotta be F this and bleep that. Just got my ears worn out on that stuff.

[HornBuckler]

48. I appreciate that.

It can be overused. SP doesn't really use that much vulgarity (they are on cable after all) although the shit episode where they rattle off shit about 160? times is pretty damn funny.

Maybe I'm juvenile - I thinks it's good stuff.

[roguevalley]

70. south park is all right but I DON'T have to love it to be a liberal.. good

grief. I thought this crap was limited to the idiots on FR.,

[HornBuckler]

71. Never said that at all

In fact - you can hate it and be liberal.

But you can't be 'cool'

:)

[stevietheman]

35. Great show. I like Gore. Gore parody is funny.

Anyone's heads exploding? :)

Yes, it *is* acceptable to laugh at parodies of politicians we like. It's OK.

[HornBuckler]

40. Amen

[Autonomy]

50. To be funny something has to have a ring of truth to it

(reposted from the other thread)

I'm watching the Al Gore/manbearpig episode right now in stoney silence. It's painfully not funny. It's not like I am supressing a laugh either. It just doesn't connect on a comedic level. "I'm thuper thereal." That's all they got?

I saw their complete misrepresentation of what George Clooney said at the Oscars. They had Kyle give an aside to the audience (a tacky device) where he told us that Clooney said that Hollywood was responsible for the civil rights movement. That's an outright lie. Matt and Trey have sunk so low that they now need to radically mirepresent what someone says in order to make fun of them. But Bush is right there, doing absurdly comical things on a daily basis, and they don't lay a glove on him. And you defend these guys?

Now when they get into character development on Cartman and his sociopathy, it's funny. But it's been done. Years ago. Matt and Trey are not only emotionally stuck at 17 years old, but they've been 17 for so long that it's not even fresh anymore.

There are also issues about the subjectivity of humor that you seem not to want to acknowledge, which is OK because I don't want to right now either.

[HornBuckler]

52. They can't all be gems....

Doesn't mean the show has no merit. I just get my britches in a bind when people bash something they don't know anything about. Like the casual SP watcher. No shit, Hollywood wasn't the catalyst for civil rights? I think that was part of the joke man.

[Autonomy]

72. I find the correlation between the increase in their least funny

episodes and the increase in their pontificating and mocking of liberals to be very telling. Unbind your britches for a moment and relax. It's just a show. A bad one anymore. I won't say it has no merit. Just low merit.

It wasn't part of the joke in the self-deprecating sense. In fact, there's no self-deprecation on the show whatsoever. That's what makes the show juvenile and unsophisticated, which is fine. For kids. But don't expect adult "intellectuals" to find it funny.

Thanks for not reporting your age in response to this post.

[HornBuckler]

55. And the Hollywood comment does have a ring of truth to it

There are A LOT of people inside of Hollywood that would like you to believe they started the Civil Rights Movement. That's part of the joke and a reason why I liked Team America so much. You have to isolate yourself from your political beliefs some times to see the 'light'

[TreasonousBastard]

57. Yeah, too many people here...

watch too much TV and have to tell us all about it. Chillpills all around.

And it damn well better follow our script, or we have to hear just how bad it is. How many threads do we need about what some asshole on CNN said? Nancy Grace or Hannity's latest stupidity? Or "OOOH! OOOH! This is HUGH! You gotta hear what Jon Stewart just said!"

Jeez, it's just a cartoon. So what if they trash Gore? They trash a lot of people I like, and more that I don't. At least they got rid of Mr. Hanky. (I hope)

Anyway, whaddoIknow? Last week I got trashed for saying I think Carlos Mencia is funny. I'll betcha now I'm a useless fuck for watching "Bones" instead of "Countdown" tonight.

[HornBuckler]

61. Well

Yeah, I don't like Carlos much but Bones is probably a better bet than Countdown :)

[Autonomy]

59. Some post-Jump(ing) the Shark predictions:

(again posted from the other thread)

Next thing is to add a new little tyke for the cuteness factor when the older ones get worn out. Oh wait, they did that with Ike already.

Then they'll kill someone off to prove that the show is edgy and unpredictable. Oh wait, they already did that with Kenny.

Then they'll start running out of ideas and bring a dead character back to life. Oops, Kenny again.

Then there will be the internal strife amongst the cast, and they'll kill off that character out of spite. Wait, that was Chef.

It looks like they're long past jumping the shark and are breaking new ground in irrelevence. The only funny thing they could do now is to literally have an episode where Cartman jumps a shark on waterskis.

[HornBuckler]

64. I don't get it?

You picked episodes and then attached a jumped shark thing to them...

What's next? The make fun of a nother cartoon? Already did it Simpsons and Family Guy

They make a charcater get a sex change? already did it with Mr. Garrison..

I really don't understand your post at all.

the Phrase JUMP THE SHARK Jumped the shark years ago.

[Autonomy]

73. Are you saying you don't find my post funny?

Maybe you're getting too convoluted in your own BS. Or maybe it's those bound up britches.

I'll explain the joke. "Jump the shark" refers to a stage in the life of a sitcom that is exemplified by the Happy Days episode where Fonzie jumped a shark. I'm sure you know that. But there are lots of other signs that a show is past its prime. Those signs of a dead show are those I listed in the post you didn't get. Lots of shows have had them. Shows that should have gone off the air already, but refused to for whatever reason.

Some references on other types of "shark jumping":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

* Related: A newborn character becomes an extremely important part of the series (e.g., Dil from Rugrats)

(though I wouldn't call Ike extremely important)

* When one or more major characters are written out of the show, usually when a cast member departs, is fired or dies the loss of Mike and Gloria or the death of Edith Bunker on All in the Family; the replacement of Valerie Harper on The Hogan Family). Often the character(s) will be replaced by similar character(s) (Coy and Vance replacing Bo and Luke on The Dukes of Hazzard or Harry replacing Mel on My Parents are Aliens).

* "Death and rebirth"—when a major character is written out of the show and returns later (Bo and Luke on The Dukes of Hazzard, Mulder on the X-Files, Harold Bishop on Neighbours, Den Watts on EastEnders)

I find it amusing that South Park has already used several of the shark jumping devices. Don't you? They're lucky because of not having to rely on too many actors or dealing with the actors getting older. But SP commits some of the plot-oriented errors that other dying shows have in the past. Another one is the pontificating, "message-based" shows.

edit: added wikipedia entry

[HornBuckler]

68. Peace out

time to play D&D Online

another juvenile addiction of mine :)

[wtmusic]

74. "One of the best TV shows in modern history" -- that's rich

Whatever. IMO South Park is infantile.