I'm Confused. Was Bush on United Flight 93?

[maxrandb]

For the life of me I can't figure this out. All the "hate-talkers" and right-wingnuts are pushing this movie like it's the "Passion of the Bush".

Do the actors all scream "thank God for George W. Bush" as they charge the cockpit?

Heard one wing-nut going on and on the other day about how all Americans should see this movie and that it will show them what a "great leader and inspiration" the pretzledent is.

Did I miss something? Did I miss the part in the story where Chimpy led the charge into the cockpit, and is only with us today because he daringly parachuted out at the last minute. Maybe he pulled a Bugs Bunny and simply stepped out of the plane as it got close to the ground.

For God's sake...How does reminding America that the pResident was cowering in a bunker while America was under attack make him look good? How does reminding America that he did nothing but sit there and read a children's book after learning America was under attack make him look good? How does reminding America that the person behind these attacks is still free and mocking us make him look good?

Could it be that the hope of the Right is to once again strike fear into the hearts of America? Is that how they plan to hold onto power...by convincing America that we should be petrified and stocking up on duct tape?

and finally...Isn't America sickened to the point of projectile vomiting by the shameless exploitation of one of the most terrible days in our nation's history by this president and this congress?

Isn't it time to say, enough is enough.

[calico1]

1. Let them try and tie the movie directly to bush.

I think it will do more harm than good.

[bullimiami]

2. as a response to this I would like to see a split timeline with

the flight 93 movie in one frame and
what bush was doing at the time in the other.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. He was busy playing president

[maxrandb]

4. Here's a Sample of what I'm talking about

This is from a "website that shall not be named"

To: LibLieSlayer
Millions of Americans that are asleep at the wheel need to be reminded who the enemy is and, that President Bill Clinton, his "evil" wife and the entire Democrat "Traitor/Treason" Party is directly responsible for the murder of the American heroes that perished on United, Flight 93, and all who died on 911. Clinton knew the problem very well, and did absolutely nothing to protect America or innocent Americans. End of story!!! I hope the movie does exceedingly well. All Americans should see this movie. But for the grace of the Lord, it might have been you or your children sitting on Flight 93!!! America you better wake up, the Democrat Party will destroy America!!!!



17 posted on 04/27/2006 5:14:45 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX

See! It's all Clinton's fault!!! My God, how do you argue with logic like that? :sarcasm:

[dogday]

7. It is always the Dems fault

that is the motto of the republicans... The Democrats did it.... Funny it was Bush who received the PEB that said Osama determined to hit inside the USA...

[babylonsister]

8. Wow, their logic is mindblowing!

:eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. Logic? What logic? LOL

:rofl: Lets see, how many warnings did their president receive prior to 9/11? How many did he ignore? Do they know that the outgoing Clinton Adm. warned bu$hco repeatedly of that terrorists would be the most important thing they would deal with? Morans!

[babylonsister]

32. OK, in case my

rolling eye balls didn't get my point across, I'll add this:

:sarcasm:

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. You don't even bother to try

The real crazies like that one are really just a small but noisy percentage of the country. Most people consider them to be a joke at this point. Their shit worked 6 years ago but all of us know too much at this point.

[KeepItReal]

14. Funny how the GOP Congress refused to fund aviation security fully

...after the Gore Commission report on aviation security when he was Vice-President

[xchrom]

19. jerry falwell said it was the fault of gays, lesbians and feminists.

and i believe jerry falwell trumps this asshole -- cause jerry made headlines.

[jbnow]

23. Clinton hijacked the plane?

I did not know that.
How did they get out?
He and/or she really should be arrested then.

[Virginia Dare]

30. Clinton knew the problem very well and did nothing ...

to protect America or innocent Americans. So what did Clinton know that Chimp didn't? What was the Chimp's Director of National Security, Ms. Condi Rice doing for 9 months with her thumb up her ass? If they knew all about it, shouldn't they have been screaming it from the treetops, shouldn't they have been busy securing our airlines?

As I recall, Clinton's security advisors claim that they left a detailed report on Al Quaeda on Ms. Rice's desk the day they left, and she threw it in the round file. They didn't want to hear anything that the Clinton people had to say, because "they had a better plan". Well, we see where that got us, don't we?

All, I have to say to LibLieSlayer is FUCK YOU!!!!

:rant:

[ProfessorGAC]

45. This Logic Is So Tortured As To Be Unbelievable

Clinton went did "nothing" and we went 8 years between terrorist attacks. Now, supposedly the indicator of Silverspoon's success is that we've gone 4.5 years without an attack.

So, Clinton did nothing and it takes 8 years, so we blame him for 9/11. And yet, doing nothing was measurably more effective than current. Which means we will NEVER have an assessment of Silverspoon's performance.

How convenient.
The Professor

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Dupe

.

[Sapere aude]

63. You don't argue with it, you just walk away. Those like that are getting

fewer and fewer.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

70. Fundamentalist Islam hates the Bushes...

There wouldn't have been a 9-11 if Gore had been president. Period.
Duckie

[treestar]

74. I agree also because they were more practical - they would have

been following practical steps and might well have squelched it early on - whereas the right wingnuts were too busy with their New American Century insanity to be thinking in practical terms.

[agincourt]

81. I generally respond,

that if a more effective Al Quaida attack had occured in 1993(more vans, better explosives)and thousands would have died, would they have blamed 12 years of Reagen/Bush1 for doing nothing? Would they say that Reagen/Bush1 knew of the threat and sat on their hands? They always walk away and fume but they never come up with an answer.

[jmowreader]

33. No. He wasn't.

Until 9/11, Bush didn't act like he was president. He acted like he was First Lady.

The little thing at the elementary school? This is exactly the kind of thing First Ladies have historically done: chosen an issue then had their picture taken at lots of events related to it. IIRC Pickles is the Literacy First Lady, so obviously she'd go to elementary schools and watch the children read books, then speak about how important reading is.

I've been through a lot of presidents--and NONE of those men ever acted like Bush did prior to 9/11.

This movie probably is The Passion of the Bush. The comparison is apt: In The Passion of the Christ, the good things Christ did in the Bible, like teaching compassion and being Jesus the Miracle Caterer*, weren't discussed. It was all about one thing: Jesus' execution. In The Passion of the Bush, there's nothing about what a worthless man Dubya really is; it's all about Rag-Head Terrorists And How They Tore Our Nation Asunder.

* Listen to Sam Kinison's "Have You Seen Me Lately?"

[Cha]

64. Hmmm? That's the first

time I've seen bush referred to as the first lady and that really is what he was doing. And what was pickles doing while bush was out acting out the first lady role?

[jmowreader]

77. I've called him that a few times

Pickles was also being first lady.

I don't think Bush would have ever run for president if he knew the job involves work. He figured he could go out, press the flesh, get his picture taken a lot, go home to clear brush for days on end, raise money to keep Congress Republican, and delegate everything to his subordinates. Be a real old-school CEO president.

He did much the same thing as Texas governor, except he got to execute lots of people too. I'm sure that was loads of fun, spending fifteen whole minutes deciding a man's fate like he did a couple hundred times. Personally, I expected him at his first Thanksgiving to sign a death warrant on the White House turkey--the man has spent five Thanksgivings in DC and has pardoned more turkeys than he ever did human beings.

Then August 6, 2001 came around...

[julialnyc]

57. the movie does point out

that they couldn't reach Bush (couldn't find him) while this was happening. Read the review I posted below (the reviewer says that she wanted a shot of that picture at the moment the people were scrambling to find him)

[DoYouEverWonder]

61. Bush wasn't the only one they couldn't find

They couldn't find Cheney, Rummie, Condi, Myers and other until after the Pentagon was hit.

[julialnyc]

67. according to Richard Clarke

they couldn't do anything without authorization from the Presdient......who couldn't be reached because of sensitivity to the children (rather than sensitivity to those whose lives were on the line)

[treestar]

73. In all fairness, what could Bush have done, exactly? He'd be

relying on the same people who were probably the ones alerted first anyway.

Acting like the whole thing was a "military attack" is what makes it all turn into emotional mush. It wasn't quite that.

Whoever is President should turn his attention to it as soon as possible, but Bush knowing about it ten minutes earlier probably wasn't going to make some huge difference.

[DoYouEverWonder]

80. Every minute counts during an attack

and Bush is the COMMANDER in Chief. It sure helps when the COMMANDER in Chief is available to do little things like give shot down orders.

[shadowknows69]

41. I have a feeling there would be some creative license taken

with reality.

INT CLASSROOM: GEORGE W BUSH is sitting on a small chair reading "My pet Goat" to a class of children. A PRESIDENTIAL AIDE rushes in and whispers in GEORGE W BUSH's ear.


GEORGE W BUSH: <Leaping to his feet and putting his hands on his hips in a "Superman" type pose> "Children I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to continue to educate you today. I have to go save the country!!!" <He leaps into the air and crashes right through the roof of the school. Debris rains down on his amazed aide.>

GEORGE W BUSH: <off camera> "Where the eagle flies. So go I!!!" <the school children applause and cheer>

[dogday]

5. Do they actually say that in the movie????

That is some bullshit if they did....

[NYCGirl]

59. According to the review in the NY Times, Bush is not even mentioned:

"United 93" is a sober reminder of the breakdown in leadership on the morning of Sept. 11. Unlike Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," the film doesn't get into the whereabouts of the president that day, or why Osama bin Laden ordered the attack; its focus is purposely narrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/movies/28unit.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

[displacedtexan]

6. Wow! You amaze me!

If you don't blog, you should definitely start! Now! With this post!

At the very least, start a DU Journal so I can cite you in the
DU Blog Box column!

Wow again! Thanks for the great post!

Delilah

[JeffR]

13. I second that!

K&R!

:kick:

[maxrandb]

34. It's on my DU Journal

I'm not extremely computer literate. I'm just happy that it comes on when I hit the CTRL-ALT-DELETE keys.

Wish I had time, or the computer skill to "blog".

Thanks for the compliment...I'll be here all week :D

[nytemare]

9. Maybe it will remind America that a gay man acted in a desperate time

While Bush was reading "The Pet Goat" with a vacant expression.

And, if Bush had his way, he would deny marriage to a person like that.

[shenmue]

10. Hope they have a scene...

of him reading the book about the goat.

[babylonsister]

11. Rec'd to emphasize just went wrong, not right, on 9/11 and who

is really responsible! Good rant!

[PurpleChez]

15. I actually like to watch some of the religious networks.

I get such a kick out of Jan Crouch's hair. And I've seen that fat-ass Hagee on there preaching explicitly about how the war was a gift from God.

PS: I once met a guy who worked for Trinity Broadcasting but got fired after chasing folks around the studios with one of Jan Crouch's gigantic pink wigs

[underpants]

16. Read this and then read it again

"He is given credit for 9/11"

Read it again. Think about that. Does that make ANY sense?

[CTyankee]

17. Remember the Reagan story?

He used to tell it: a pilot in WW2 combat was ready to parachute out of his burning plane when his gunner, who was injured, couldn't work his own parachute. So the pilot said, "We'll ride this down together" and perished bravely with his gunner.

Great story, but it was really from a movie. Since no one survived to tell the story, ya know. But Reagan used to tell it and people just loved it.

That great leader, Ronnie Raygun.

[underpants]

20. That clearly was not based on Poppy Bush's WWII experience

I'm just saying.

[rman]

43. Reagan, Bush - manufactured heroes

I'm surprised they haven't tried that with Nixon.
Fortunately very few people are falling for it.

[ChristianLibrul]

84. A Wing And A Prayer

Reagan's story is from the 1944 movie. I just watched it recently. You hear the pilot and gunner on the radio on board their carrier.

[MikeNearMcChord]

18. I think there is a scene where

one of the hijackers gets on the cell phone and calls Baghdad, and Saddam answers the call, as soon as he hears the news, he tells Osama and
President Ahmadinejad of Iran(this is Hollywood, remember.;-) )and they laugh and go Muwahahahah!:smoke:

[malaise]

21. Yes the fear factor is

all they have left, but since many people continue to question events re U93, they needed a movie to reinforce their version of events. I do not intend to spend a dime to see this movie. This is more mythical than the bible.

[dogday]

22. The timing of the movie, and both Al Queda videos

makes me want to say hmmmmm.......

[liberal N proud]

24. Exactly,

The movie has been rushed through production to make its debut. What timing, to build up for the elections. I am guessing it will come out on DVD about September, Oh, say about 9/11 maybe.

[dogday]

51. Mass Brain Washing......

:hi:

[suegeo]

25. Hasn't the shock and awe worn off YET with people?

It amazes me that people STILL suffer from the psychological abuse inflicted by the Bush Junta in Sept. 2001.

I thought the mind fu_k of "shock and awe part one" (September the 11th) would have worn off by now. Why does it, psychologically speaking, still send some people off into an unthinking trance?

I mean, dig it: People running through the streets of New York for their lives, buildings in rubble, planes down, and thousands dead. And this is seen as a triumph for the unelected idiot because, well, why again?

The RNC sold pictures of the scared bunny on air force one, as he ran away from a disaster he caused. And the hate radio guy called it a picture of the king's "finest hour". What color is the sky in these peoples' world? Are they smoking pot? Can I have some?

[lectrobyte]

26. I think Auntie Pinko nailed it today. Anything that makes us afraid

helps Bush. By reminding of us of 911, it provokes an instinctive reaction to band together.

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. My jaw dropped when I saw a trailer for the movie on television...

a week or so ago. I can only imagine how often they must be running it if I stumbled upon it. I hardly watch any commercial television.

I really hope the movie is a flop. I'm sorry, but I can't see it as anything but exploitation as well.

[Generic Other]

28. I have yet to be convinced the plane wasn't shot down by air force

so another "fictional" account does nothing to change my mind.

I prefer an honest investigation to a made-for-tv quality movie.

[zalinda]

31. Before you condemn the movie

you should go here http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/today.html and listen to the review. Ebert is a known liberal and he had nothing but praise for the movie. BTW, the family members took part in helping to get the movie true to life, and some of the parts in the movie were played by the real people in their jobs on that day.

zalinda

[maxrandb]

37. I'm in no way condemning the movie

I'm condemning the mind-set on the right that somehow reminding American's of the horror of that day will pull the "emperor's" numbers above sub-zero. If there ever was an emperor that had no clothes...this is him!!!

He's trying to recapture his "glory days". What does it say about us as a country, when the pretzledent and his followers consider 9/11 his "finest hour"?

Bunch of fear-mongering morons! Or do I mean "Morans"?

[Carni]

35. I am personally so sick of Flight 93 legends that I could puke...

Yeah, yeah...horrible thing to say (unpatriotic bla bla bla)

It was a horrible thing-- so was the sinking of the Titanic in it's day, so was Pearl Harbor, so was WW2, so was Katrina and every other rotten thing that has happened in this country past or present...but I am sick to F'ing death of hearing about 911 and Flight 93 like it was the end of the God damned world.

Instead of doing something proactive after 911 to actually protect the country (that is assuming bushit and company didn't LIHOP or MIHOP the whole thing)
What does the asshole do?

He throws another 2000 lives in the toilet in Iraq (I am talking the dead add the wounded beyond repair to that and what are we talking like 10,000?) and he starts a PR campaign so that "we never forget" 911.

Who the hell CAN FORGET? We have this bullshit shoved down our throats on a daily basis...

ooooohhh! Look there's a squirrely looking guy in a suicide belt it's the AQ leader in Iraq--ACK!

He's made a new video--OH NO!

Bin Forgotten made a new audio tape-- GOD HELP US!

In the course of 4 years they can't find these two assholes?

They can invade a country with a fierce *tyrant* as a leader who is protected by an actual army. They managed to kill his two sons and smoke said tyrant out of his hidey whole... but they can't find two whackos with limited resources and get rid of them?

Oh! But I forgot... Bin Forgotten had that high teched apparatus to escape with when they let him scoot into Pakistan -- a mule (after all when the enemy has a mule you're in deep shit I guess, you can't compete with that)


Come on now...what is wrong with this picture?

[sinkingfeeling]

40. I'm with you, though maybe not as brutally! I'm tired of FEAR being

our new motto. What ever happened to 'land of the free and home of the brave'? Seems to me that it's been changed to 'land of the surveilled and home of the fearful'.

[Carni]

44. Sorry I got a little pissy lol

I am so fed up with all the propaganda and crap lately that I think I was a little "angry" sounding in my post!

[agincourt]

83. You echoed my anger quite well,

I am so sick of the GOPig party punching the 9/11 fear button, I almost have an stroke. Find out why our great GOP leaders allowed us to be attacked by 19 losers, or forget about the thing.

[Norquist Nemesis]

36. I'm confused, too! They suddenly adore the Hollywood Elite! n/t

[Patiod]

38. I am completely confused - honestly.

Based on a few interviews I've heard with people involved with the making of the movie, and based on the written reviews, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

From everything I've heard review-wise, the movie points up how unprepared we were for the attack. Inadequate internal defense and no plan, in spite of warnings from Hart's report, and repeated public and private warnings from the outgoing administration to the incoming idiots.

So how does this make Bush look good? And why don't we as Progressives believe people should be thinking about what happened?

This is going to be an excellent opportunity to get people talking. Was our attack on Iraq the best response to this event? Is torture helping or hurting? Does going all "Crusade" on the entire Muslim population of the world help or hurt our security?

[Bridget Burke]

39. According to this review, the film may surprise the Bush-lovers...

Fear of Flying
You may not want to see United 93, but you should
By Robert Wilonsky
Article Published Apr 27, 2006

United 93 -- which uses the hijacking of one plane on September 11, 2001, to tell the story of what happened to all four aircraft seized that morning -- may be the most wrenching, profound and perfectly made movie nobody wants to see. There is no reason to think that multiplex hordes anxiously await the arrival of this bummer blockbuster. Too many have said so much insisting otherwise, to the point of forcing New York City theaters to pull an early trailer containing scenes of the World Trade Center towers with their gaping, smoke-spewing wounds. But they are unavoidable in the film: Images of the smoldering towers broadcast by CNN loom over the shoulders of military men and air-traffic controllers throughout, hovering like ghosts. United 93 wants you to do more than remember -- it wants you to remember how you felt.....

Never mind that this moment has already been docudramatized for television, for the A&E Network's overwrought Flight 93, the highest-rated show in its history. Those who will forever view United 93 as a case of too much way too soon cannot and will not be placated by sincere gestures. They are right to say that none of us needs to be told once more what happened that day; we're reminded of it each time George W. Bush invokes the date to explain or excuse his actions since then. But that is precisely why United 93 needs to be seen: Even as a work of fiction, it wrests from politicians' sweaty hands the cynical battle cry that date has become and shrinks September 11 down to a human-sized tragedy. Those killed in the planes and in the towers and in the Pentagon are eulogized here -- mourned over, cried for, at last considered.....

The filmmaker -- bound to a fever-pitch finale that would thrill if it weren't intended to chill -- begins at a leisurely pace, with the hectic but mundane grind of the day-to-day. Passengers, many of them character actors whose faces are as familiar as their names are not, place cell phone calls to colleagues and family members; even a terrorist utters into his mobile a final "I love you" before going on board. Flight attendants share crushes on maintenance men; pilots talk about growing children and hectic schedules. Even their final act, their attempt to take control of the plane after the hijacking, is portrayed as something prosaic: the inevitable last gasp of the desperate and doomed. It's to Greengrass's estimable credit that he does not underscore such things as Todd Beamer's "Let's roll!" proclamation, which is barely even heard here. It was just something said, two words only later mythologized by those who needed to latch onto such heroism to cope with such villainy.

Greengrass, who specializes in close-quarters thrills (The Bourne Supremacy) and real-life terror (Bloody Sunday), is a visceral filmmaker; you feel his stuff in your guts. But he does not stay aboard Flight 93 for the entirety of the movie: He cuts back and forth between various air-traffic control centers and military command posts, playing fly-on-the-wall doc-maker as he captures snippets of benign chitchats that turn into frantic, helpless wails as planes begin falling from the sky. United 93 makes irrelevant the in-the-works adaptation of the 9/11 Commission Report; Greengrass is as indignant toward panicked and absent government officials as he is respectful of the passengers aboard Flight 93. That, ultimately, is what makes this the perfect movie: You will feel something during every single second of it -- dread, fear, anger, hate, hope and, most of all grief, which is all anyone can ask of an endeavor such as this.

www.houstonpress.com/Issues/2006-04-27/film/film.html

The film does not appear to be the canonization of George Bush.

[izzybeans]

42. Interesting since in the trailer I heard a phrase like

"The president is nowhere to be found. We are handling this alone." or something of similar sentiment.

I was under the impression by that trailer that this was Bush's only role in the "heroism". He did come to NY several days later with a bullhorn. Big man. That guy.

[Bridget Burke]

47. Yes, the film will NOT make Bush look good.

From the clip of a review that I just posted: "United 93 makes irrelevant the in-the-works adaptation of the 9/11 Commission Report; Greengrass is as indignant toward panicked and absent government officials as he is respectful of the passengers aboard Flight 93."

[Rocknrule]

48. Yea, the passengers all scream "Bush Ackbar!" as they storm the cockpit

:sarcasm:

[treestar]

75. You'd think there were no democrats on any of the planes or

in any of the buildings! Well, I sure THOSE victims weren't heroes! LOL!

[Rocknrule]

79. Well I have heard freepers tell me

they wish that more liberals had been on the 100th floor of the WTC that day

Who would Jesus wish death upon?

[ima_sinnic]

49. if 9/11 was *'s "finest hour," why has he blocked a full investigation?

why doesn't he want us to hear what Sibel Edmonds has to say?

[lectrobyte]

50. Will the movie have this song on the soundtrack?

so the second plane hit at 9:02
I saw it live on a hotel tv, talking on my cell with you
you said this would happen, and just like that, it did
wrong about the feeling, wrong about the sound
but right to say we would stand down

an hour went by without a fighter in the sky
you said there’s a reason why
so tell me now, I must confess
I’m not sick enough to guess

-- from John Vanderslice's "Dance Dance Revolution"

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

52. Don't you remember? He was the one who said 'Let's Roll!', just after

stripping off his shirt to reveal rippling muscles. He then single handedly killed all the hijackers in hand to hand combat, and then took controls of the aircraft, flew it to Baghdad and landed it on top of Saddam Hussein's spider hole, crushing him.

I could have SWORN I read that on Fox news!

[maxrandb]

54. Nah! I saw it on Faux News

and you missed the part where "Bush took control of the aircraft, flew it to Baghdad and landed it on top of Saddam Hussein's spider whole, where he was having dinner with Osama, thus crushing both of them."

If you're going to quote Faux...please get it right :D

[uppityperson]

53. Our small theater always give a short explanation before movie.Iget angry?

It will be interesting to hear what they say before this one. They are in line with most of us, by the way. I don't particularily want to see it because it will make me even more angry at Mr.bushandhisevilminions.

[julialnyc]

55. Look at this review

From New York Magazine:

snipped....

The commander of the Northeast Air Defense Sector has only four planes at his disposal and can’t get permission to engage the hijackers because he can’t find the president. (Greengrass is too classy to cut to George W. Bush reading a story about a pet goat, but I am not too classy to refrain from bringing it up.) The principal source of information seems to be CNN. (The Towers are seen only on TV and in the far distance from Newark.) By the time the military jets arrive, it’s all over.

snipped....

"Many family members were involved in helping Greengrass’s fine actors (some of them actual pilots and flight attendants) compile dossiers on the people they’d be playing. Every close-up of a passenger crying, praying, or resolving to take matters into his hands has weight—as if the filmmakers understood that loved ones would be watching. At the same time, no one on Flight 93 is exalted. They are all human. And so, for that matter, are the hijackers. They are not portrayed as evil cowards but as deeply religious men driven to (or brainwashed into) committing the most despicable acts imaginable. What makes that important to register is that evil cowards can be defeated far more easily than people deluded into thinking that God is on their side."

[julialnyc]

56. I'll give it a chance

I don't have a problem with the film. I didn't like the idea of it at first, but know some friends who went to the premiere who said it was haunting and intense, but not a rah rah america movie (in fact it shows a frozen country not knowing what to do).I always go to the site metacritic to get film reviews (it takes every movie review and combines the score). Here is the reviews for the movie:

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/united93

[NYCGirl]

62. It got a 90% so far on rottentomatoes.com so far, too.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/united_93/

[julialnyc]

65. 91 on metacritic

which takes every review and combines the score.

[julialnyc]

66. cool site!

I have to bookmark it!

[NYCGirl]

69. Rottentomatoes is great for reviews, and I'm bookmarking Metacritic!

This is another good review site:

www.mrqe.com

The Movie Review Query Engine

[screembloodymurder]

58. Bush shot the plane down.

He's a hero to all morons.

[julialnyc]

60. didn't you know that Sadam shot down the plane?

[jmowreader]

78. Dead-Eye Dick shot it down

I'm not kidding, either; since Bush was out of the net on 9/11, Dead-Eye Dick had to take charge of the situation and had the Air Force shoot the plane out of the air. It was in Newsweek.

I don't have a problem with Dead-Eye having the plane shot down; if it was the only way to defuse the terror incident, fine, and it WAS the only way to go in that situation. If we would have had a functioning government on 9/11, four planes, not one, would have been shot down. Those planes that hit NYC flew to the midwest...if they would have been splashed over the midwest where comparatively few people live, it would have been much better.

[Maddy McCall]

68. Everyone should read this thread about Fight 93.

DUer maxrandb has demonstrated that the right, in desperation, will use this movie to reinvigorate their dying movement.

Read and recommend this thread. :thumbsup:

[NYCGirl]

71. It's not going to be an easy sell — from everything I've read and seen,

the Administration is portrayed very badly, and the hijackers are portrayed as humans, not villains.

[julialnyc]

72. they can try....until they see it

it clearly points out that Bush was asleep at the wheel (from all that I've read)

[dave123williams]

76. What you said...

'and finally...Isn't America sickened to the point of projectile vomiting by the shameless exploitation of one of the most terrible days in our nation's history by this president and this congress?"


Yeah; trading on our fear and making political hay of tragedy has actually inspired almost nonstop vomiting for 5 years. I'm amazed I'm still alive with the ammount of times I've spontaneously booted.

[RagAss]

82. Great Post....

The whole film is speculation....the tired old "Perfect Storm" formula....fill in the blanks any way that sells. Truth is nobody knows what the fuck happened on any of those planes. Let those poor souls rest in peace.

[ChristianLibrul]

85. It's a remake

Watch the 1942 movie, "Wake Island," with Robert Preston and William Bendix. "United 93" is the same movie, a fictionalized account.

In "Wake Island," the marine commander said, "Send us more Japs." Reality: the young marine cable operator on Wake sent practice mumbo-jumbo to Pearl Harbor like "Send us Mary had a little lamb Japs mairzy doats and doazy doats." Propagandists edited it into, "Send us more Japs."

On board Flight 93, according to the 9-11 Commission, someone said, "Roll it!" about the drink cart that didn't bash open the cockpit door. That was edited into, "Let's roll!" for propaganda purposes. The passengers never entered the cockpit.