OSS!!!!!

[Shilohtd16]

for any intel wonks out there, what do you think of dissolving the DHS and having the TSA and FEMA etc be staffed by competent people to do their own jobs and reconstituting the OSS to go after baddies like OBL?

[benburch]

1. And here I thought you meant Open Source Software!

LOL!

[Shilohtd16]

2. i could see where that might get a little confusing.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/oss/art01.htm

[Jara sang]

15. Open Source is an emerging field in intelligence gathering.

Though it's really been there along. New strategies in utilizing it.

[Warpy]

3. Well, I'd like to leave the CIA where it is

but dissolve the NSA (set up to eavesdrop on the USSR, lost its mission, and now eavesdrops on US) and abolish the Pentagon's intelligence division (they've lied us into two unwinnable wars. One was a mistake and two is the beginning of a bad habit, so get rid of 'em) and consolidate their few useful functions into the CIA.

As for FEMA, I can't see dissolving that agency to create a different agency to do what FEMA was supposed to do before it became a dumping ground for incompetents. A new agency will cost a fortune in new signs and letterheads and office remodeling but will likely suffer the same fate as FEMA has under GOP administrations. The needs of the people are unmet in GOP administrations and it's high time the public realizes this and that an agency's name is not the problem.

We'll get OBL if we can get the Bush family out of power. They're the ones making all the stupid decisions that have protected him because they are terrified he will be taken alive and will talk about what that family has done for him for all these years.

[Shilohtd16]

4. it was not DIA (pentagon intel's ) fault.

Their intel was correct but is was HIGHLY manipulated.

[Warpy]

7. So was the Gulf of Tonkin incident

Face it, those military boys get frustrated in peacetime, nothing to do but look wistfull at all that stuff that goes bang with no way to use it. This is why having an intelligence unit in the military in peacetime is dangerous and why it must be abolished.

Remember, the DIA gave birth to the OSP.

[Shilohtd16]

8. ehh.... i will give you that.

Personally i think an agency like the OSS is much better suited to hunting down the likes of osama than the military is though. I mean being a civilian agency lets you get away with a lot.

[stillcool]

5. you might find this interesting...

The Origins of the Overclass
By Steve Kangas
The wealthy have always used many methods to accumulate wealth, but it was not until the mid-1970s that these methods coalesced into a superbly organized, cohesive and efficient machine. After 1975, it became greater than the sum of its parts, a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest 1 percent into the stratosphere.

The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA. This is not to say the machine is a formal CIA operation, complete with code name and signed documents. (Although such evidence may yet surface — and previously unthinkable domestic operations such as MK-ULTRA, CHAOS and MOCKINGBIRD show this to be a distinct possibility.) But what we do know already indicts the CIA strongly enough. Its principle creators were Irving Kristol, Paul Weyrich, William Simon, Richard Mellon Scaife, Frank Shakespeare, William F. Buckley, Jr., the Rockefeller family, and more. Almost all the machine's creators had CIA backgrounds.

During the 1970s, these men would take the propaganda and operational techniques they had learned in the Cold War and apply them to the Class War. Therefore it is no surprise that the American version of the machine bears an uncanny resemblance to the foreign versions designed to fight communism. The CIA's expert and comprehensive organization of the business class would succeed beyond their wildest dreams. In 1975, the richest 1 percent owned 22 percent of America’s wealth. By 1992, they would nearly double that, to 42 percent — the highest level of inequality in the 20th century.

How did this alliance start? The CIA has always recruited the nation’s elite: millionaire businessmen, Wall Street brokers, members of the national news media, and Ivy League scholars. During World War II, General "Wild Bill" Donovan became chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA. Donovan recruited so exclusively from the nation’s rich and powerful that members eventually came to joke that "OSS" stood for "Oh, so social!"

much more good stuff...
http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

[Shilohtd16]

6. speaking as someone who is good friends with many intel types

That is a load of tripe,

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. What do you personally know about the history of the CIA?

[Shilohtd16]

11. hmmm....

only if you go by the amount of family i have had employed there.

[stillcool]

10. You're giving yourself away on that one....

but...I'll play...:rofl: what do your 'buds' think about these...?

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

http://www.killinghope.org/

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/contents.htm

[Shilohtd16]

12. well Mayte (include austrailian accent)

Killing hope is tripe and so is cointel but i have not yet heard of that last bit and would not doubt it being at least partially true. (p.s. average income for an entry level analyst is 50,000$ rich and powerfull ... uhhh no)

[stillcool]

13. You do realize that the documents linked on...

that cointelpro sites are government documents...no? And, you do realize that William Blum is a former state department employee?..oh, and Steve Kangas was a former Army intelligence officer?....who just so happened to be suicided in the bathroom of the office building occupied by one of your dear friends...Richard Mellon Scaife? Oh...and you do know that the "Church Committee Report"...is the report produced by the Congressional Hearings investigating the abuses and illegalities of U.S. intelligence agencies,circa 1975-76? Okay, you're no fun...go away...

[Shilohtd16]

14. yes i do,

my goodness man don't you realize if you read it how you want you can get anything out of it. also a fired employee will do anything to get back at their boss.

[Jara sang]

16. No need, merely axe the Directorate of Operations at CIA

They are the "Dirty Tricks" squad that have wreaked havoc with world governments since 1947.