Have you guys seen the Flight 93 Director's OTHER films?

[Terran1212]

I haven't see the film yet, but I see so much negativity towards it here -- and I'm wondering if you guys have seen Bourne Supremacy or Bloody Sunday. Both films were very well balanced and I thought told the stories of political events very well (fictional ones in Supremacy and nonfiction in Bloody Sunday). I have a feeling this director really does believe in what he does, and is not exactly out for the shameless exploitation many are accusing him of.

[NYCGirl]

1. "Bloody Sunday" was amazing. Great film!

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20021025/REVIEWS/210250303/1023

[Terran1212]

6. It was powerful; I'm sure this is as well; as Bourne Supremacy was

[Thtwudbeme]

2. I am shocked beyond belief...shocked I tell ya

that you would see negative reactions about fantasy movies pertaining to 9/11 on a Liberal website.

Stunned.

[stillcool]

3. when I first heard of the movie...

I checked him out...and as a result was hopeful there may be some truth told. ...as it turns out it is just another shameless exploitation of a day that sounded the death knoll of our county.. For some reason, as times passes and the quality of life in the U$A further deteriorates, my anger at all the lies has not diminished by one iota...this movie is just more salt in the wound...

[Jazz2006]

4. I saw United 93 this afternoon when it opened in my city....

and it most certainly did not pander to the * administration at all.

(I assume you're talking about United 93 and not Flight 93 as Flight 93 was an A&E production out a while ago and United 93 is the new Paul Greenglass production).

As mentioned, I saw the latter this afternoon. There was nothing shameless or exploitive about it at all.

Not only did it not pander to the Bush administration, on the contrary, it illustrates how utterly incompetent the gov't was in a crisis situation - i.e.: repeatedly querying where the hell the president and other governmental officials are while the FAA and NORAD and ATCs are trying to contact them; repeeated attempts to get "rules of engagement" without result; "Air Force 1 is in the air and they don't know anything about what's going on"; the military liaison guy is portrayed as a bumbling bureaucrat who is at first absent from his post and later gets nothing done at all even though when asked pointedly whether he is actually in contact with anyone in authority or not, he claims to be in contact with the Pentagon; all through the movie, you get the distinct impression that the Bush administration is completely absent and failing the public; then at the end of the movie, after the screen goes black, white letters appear on the screen to illustrate the depth of incompetence of the Bush administration, saying (paraphrasing) that at 10:18 a.m., president Bush finally gave authorization to shoot down the aircraft, some 15 minutes after it had crashed.

Judging from the comments made by audience members after the movie, the prevalent response was "Jesus Christ, if that isn't enough for people to see how incompetent Bush is, nothing is."

[NYCGirl]

9. There's lots of DUers who think the movie glorifies the adminstration.

Glad to hear it doesn't

[Thtwudbeme]

12. look. It's NOT the the film glorifies the administration.

It's that it's fantasy based on a truly hurtful traumatic event.

We do NOT know what happened on that flight...it's just guesses.

It IS propanganda of the good ol American Hero Myth. That's all.

I hope you enjoy the film, but don't try to pass it off as "true."

[cali]

22. No. It's not propaganda.

Call it an artistic interpretation if you wish, but to label it as propaganda implies that the director had and agenda to perpetrate a POV on the viewing public.

It does not further the American hero myth. It depicts people who are frightened out of their minds, and desperate to survive.

I suppose you find that appalling, shoddy piece of "filmaking" Loose Change to be the truth or close to it.

[Jazz2006]

14. Oh, it certainly doesn't glorify them at all... quite the contrary.

While it steers clear of direct in-your-face indictment of anyone in the sense that it never flashes an "I hate Bush and all he stands for and the Bush admin is a cadre of crooks, criminals and incompetents" message across the screen, it does so indirectly more effectly than could ever been done directly, and the overall effect is to slam the Bush admin for its obvious ineptitude, absence, misfeasance, and failure.

[Jazz2006]

15. Oops..dupe trying to respond to responses (my rookieness shows!)

sorry about that.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Incompetence doesn't matter, to the faithful.

This is the government's line, the whole way.

The plane crashed because it was supposed to crash. When the passengers revolted and tried to take it back, certain persons got scared and shot the thing down.

Our military is NOT that incompetant -- to fail to intercept the plane, after 3 others had already reached their targets is, in the immortal words of Vizzini, inconceivable.

But the government can't allow the public to know they shot it down while the passengers were attempting to re-take the plane. It would rob the story if its heroes.

[Jazz2006]

17. Have you seen it, NCevilDUer?

If so, what parts do you object to?

If not, what facts do you base your prior post upon?

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. I don need no steenking facts.

I strongly disbelieve the official version of what happened -- even the parts of it that make the government look bad are orchestrated as a series of unfortunate events, not quite in anyone's control.

Debris from the crash was found across a 2 mile area. In fact, some papers from the plane were found as much as 10 miles from the crash site. I have never heard of any crash splashing debris like that unless the plane blew up in mid-air.

Witnesses saw an unmarked white military-type aircraft in the vicinity right before the crash - this was well after the order to ground all aircraft. Who was it? Why was it there? And why is there no mention of it in any of the government reports?

These people made calls on their cell phones -- is that even possible from a plane in flight? Good connections are hard enough on the highway at 60 mph - can you believe cell connections at 15000 feet, at 480 mph? That's why the plane provides radio phones for passengers; cells are not up to the job.

Even the ads, that talk about the 'passengers who saved the Capitol' is nonsense, for there is no knowing what the target was - just that it was the general direction of DC. But it is all presented as certain truth - which makes it certain propaganda.

I don't have to see the movie to know that.

[Swamp Rat]

21. d-d-d-ditto

[driver8]

11. Jazz, thanks for that post. I am amazed at how many people

want to criticize a film that they have not seen yet.

Your post was very informative.

Thanks.

[Jazz2006]

16. You're welcome, driver8.

I am still having a hard time comprehending the outrageously visceral responses to this movie that have been expressed on so many threads by people who have not even seen it.

I always thought that uninformed, kneejerk, visceral "anti anything" type posts without benefit of facts were the purview of Repugs.

[Sabien]

5. Sunday Bloody Sunday

was very well done...I've thought a bout it alot since I saw this film in the theater.

[Guaranteed]

7. Bourne Supremacy was an outstanding action movie.

Was better than the first, IMO.

I saw the beginning of Bloody Sunday- but I was sleepy, and didn't make it through.

[otohara]

8. Both Great Movies

and I imagine United 93 is too. I just can't sit in a theatre with a bunch of strangers and cry my eyes out. I will wait until it's on DVD.

[Jazz2006]

18. I didn't hear anyone crying

at the theater where I watched it this afternoon... (that's not to say with 100% certainty that nobody did but if anyone did, it had to be pretty quietly because most of the time, the audience was dead silent).

It's not presented as a tearjerker type of movie at all.

That's not to say that it won't bring some to tears - it might - but it's not a soppy sort of production at all.

[dsc]

20. I have one question

If you didn't know Mark Bingham was gay before the film would you have known watching the film?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Bourne Supremacy was a stinker.

As for Flight 93, I might catch the sequel if it's got Sam Jackson and some snakes.

[Scurrilous]

23. United 93 opens in 3rd place:

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-04-28&p=.htm