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hamerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:14 AM
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I saw the movie yesterday,
and you know what? It's just a movie. Sure it was all conjecture, but nowhere did I see anything saying "these are the true events as they happened." They had to make an interesting plot, and if most viewers remember that WE DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED UP THERE it was a good movie to try to piece together something as incomprehensible as this.
My favorite parts? The control tower scenes.
What I thought the worst was? Making the hijackers look like idiots. I mean, all their co-conspiritors successfully did what they intended to do, but with these four it seemed like they would have trouble using a straw. Would these four incompetents really be put together in one crew?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:18 AM
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1. have you checked out bush inc lately?
there's many more than four incompetents in THAT crew......I agree with you about the movie; the hysterics on DU about it has been unsettling.....it's a movie fer chrissakes
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:14 AM
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2. WHAT MOVIE?
:smoke:
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hamerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:30 AM
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5. United 93, n/t
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:18 AM
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3. four incompetents really be put together in one crew? Hmmm...
You mean Like Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld and Rice. :rofl: :woohoo:
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lostexpectation Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:21 AM
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4. weren't they down one man
their cell leader?
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:42 AM
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6. ''Mission Impossible Flight 93'The Conspiracy Theory'
I think the conspiracy theory would have made a more interesting movie. In about 10 years they will start making these. Hmmm.Plot line would look like..From serendipity ; The planes that hit the towers and the Pentagon were not the same planes that left Boston and Dulles. They were in fact unmanned, disguised military planes (or missiles) flown by remote control which were substituted for the original planes when the transponders were switched off. The switching off of the transponders was therefore not the elaborate yet pointless oddity that the official account demands, but an absolutely critical part of the whole plot. It was only by ensuring that the planes that actually hit the towers and the Pentagon were unidentifiable and anonymous blips on the radar screens that the operation could proceed successfully.

So what happened to the original planes? The theory suggests that, under instruction from NORAD agents infiltrated into Air Traffic Control, the planes' own pilots turned off the transponders. The pilots were then instructed to fly the planes to an (unidentified) airport or airbase somewhere in north-eastern USA. Here, any security personnel who may have been on board disembarked, their day's work done. A more grisly fate however awaited the remaining passengers and crew. When Flight 93's transponder was switched off it too landed at the given airbase. The passengers and crew from the first three planes were herded onto it, joining those already on board. It then took off again and was shot down or blown up over Pennsylvania, conveniently eliminating all the innocent witnesses to the real course of events.

The scenario requires us to dismiss as total fiction the many cell phone calls allegedly made from the passengers of Flight 93, or rather, if the calls were actually made we must conclude that they were made from somewhere other than Flight 93. We must deduce this because the great majority of the alleged calls took place between 9:40 (when the plane's transponder signal ceased) and 10:00, the very period during which Flight 93 was landing, taking on its extra passengers and taking off again. Nowhere in the transcripts or witness statements is there any indication that the plane was doing anything but flying normally. The theory suggests also of course that there may have been no genuine hijackers at all.

That, in its simple elegance, is the essence of the Plissken-Valentine hypothesis. And although it may at first seem fanciful and far-fetched in the extreme, it does, remarkably enough, fit all the known facts far more successfully than does the official account. It explains for instance why the transponders were switched off and how the planes were able to find their targets. It explains why the eyewitness reports in respect of Flight 11 describe the plane as being the size of a business jet and why the Fireman's Video shows that it had no engines attached to its wings and fired missiles at WTC1. It explains why at least two shots of Flight 175 show that it had a mysterious device attached to its underside, unlike any other Boeing 767 to come off the production line. It explains why Flight 77 was able to perform improbable aerial manoeuvres before disappearing into a ten-foot hole.

It explains too of course why no meaningful black-box data have been recovered or why the tapes of the conversations between Air Traffic Control and the planes have not been made public. It explains why there have been no official enquiries into the catastrophic failure of the air defense system or the bizarre collapse of the towers. This is because the hypothesis leads us inexorably to conclude that the only people capable of perpetrating such a conjuring trick were people close to — and most probably including — members of the Bush Administration itself. It is this aspect of the analysis that most rankles with the delicate emotional sensibilities of the American public.

But does it really stand up? Is it logistically possible? Persuasive as it is, the hypothesis demands careful analysis because, unless it is genuinely feasible, it must be dispatched to the waste-bin forthwith and we must think of something else. We should for instance be able to identify the airbase to which the planes were directed after the transponders were switched off. We must also pay careful attention to the timing of the whole operation. From the time that Flight 11 first went off course to the time that Flight 93 crashed spanned a period of less than two hours — rather a short time in which to do a lot of to-ing and fro-ing, a lot of loading and unloading .more....http://www.serendipity.li/wot/spencer02.htm :popcorn:
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