Blogger yglasias thinks we should just let them confirm Alito. WTF?

[Cyrano]

Go to:

http://yglasias.tpmcafe.com/

and scroll down a bit to "Alito Again."

He thinks the Democrats should concentrate on issues like Iraq, Abramoff, the price of home heating oil, and similar issues, and let the Alito nomination be approved. In other words, he thinks the Dems can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

One of his arguments is that Alito has a 53% positive rating. (I don't know what poll this came from.)

At some point, the Democratic party must draw a line and as far as I'm concerned, this is the point. The other issues will disappear, but a Justice Alito could be around for 30 years.

Screw the polls. The Democratic party has to stop playing nice with this Alito wingnut. They have to get nasty, or become even more irrelevant than they already are. The Republicans have no problem playing rough. It's time for the Dems to become a little less "civilized."

[Teaser]

1. He has one point...

this crew of Democrats can't (for the most part) walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Plausible]

2. they have to stop Alito

he's the wrong judge at the wrong time.
too many reasons to even post them all.
the Dems will lose a lot of their base if they don't stop this nomination.
they need to seriously fight this one.

[Surya Gayatri]

3. You are sooo right...

I said the same thing on another post yesterday. All of these other issues will pass from the world stage soon enough, but the potential evil that Scalito can do stretches decades into the future. SG
:scared:

[Plausible]

5. exactly

I'm just totally appalled.

[peacetalksforall]

4. Corporations, the Federalist Society, Opus Dei, religious radical

dollar loving reverends, war mongers, bigots against gender, race, religion, are going to be around for 30 years and he will be their man. That is why.

The Fed Society is out to change the Constitution and Bill of Rights in ways you've already experienced. The people who have figured out how they want to defend Dick and Don for their spying, for example, are at the Fed Society. The organization who is pushing Alito is the Fed Society. Bill of Rights is a laughing joke with the Fed Society. The entity standing behind corporations is the Fed Society.

This nomination is a blatant, insidious, decade reversing travesty and is not trivial and less serious than any other issue. It is the most serious issue facing Democrats or anyone who doesn't even know what it going on, especially non-white, non-Christian, Constitution and Bill of Rights hugging people who were promised certain things at birth and at their naturalization and by tradition, at their entry into our country as guests, visa holders, green card holders, and as corporate profit making subjects.

These people are out to change the world. Treat it as trivial if you don't agree with the changes whose signs are everywhere - introduced at such an amazing speed in the last 15 years that there aren't enough scholars, lawyers, organizations to investigate them.

It's obvious who's side he's on. His record seems to be perfectly in line. He insidiously evil, imo.

[Plausible]

6. come on Dems, fight

let's not go gently
fight the dying of the light.

[bowens43]

19. I agree we need to go down kicking, screaming and fighting

but on this issue , we are going down...

(I hope I'm wrong)

[papau]

7. I like Matthew Yglesias and he's been spot on - but this time he is wrong

At least IMHO

Women's rights do not need this hit.

Checks and balance in our government does not need this hit.

Filibuster is the only path open for a 100 different reasons- political, moral, 2006 and 2008 election and motivate the base reasons.

[bowens43]

8. Alito IS going to be confirmed.

There is no doubt of that. Maybe we need to draw a line where it can't be stepped over. If their is a filibuster, the repugs will use the 'nuclear option'. The 'gang of 14' will not see this nominee as an extreme case.

[Plausible]

9. Then you might as well give up and stay home

all three branches of government will be taken over. There will be no winning anything you fight.

[bowens43]

14. Nov 2006 is our best bet.

[Plausible]

21. ha, which voting machine will you be using?

you might as well give up on elections too?

[bowens43]

23. Sounds to me like YOU'RE the one giving up.

You going to stay home in November? You don't seem to get it. If the repugs want Alitio, we can't stop them.

[Plausible]

26. you could say that about anything they want

including stealing the next elections.

[bowens43]

27. What's your point?

[peacetalksforall]

32. Not really - some of us have had our vote privatized.

This regime operates 'grooming' schools. They groom lawyers, judges, former news people, all all levels of civic employees and appointees. This includes election boards.

The Republicans have built Republican hardware, software, and they have Republicans 'fix' things having to do with tallying, storing, transmitting, tabulating the data. Republicans hired the 'technicians who controlled it all (some were said to be from Russia and Israel). The Republican networks hired the exit-pollsters meaning they owned the data, then they manipulated it according to the needs of the WH. Someone told local police to set up road blocks. SOmeone told voters to come on the wrong day. Someone made decisions to store machines in precincts with expected heavy turnouts.

For some of us - our vote doesn't count. Only paper counts (counts up right - with plenty of supervision and bi-partisanship by concerned citizens who haven't been paid off or who don't have a religious, gun, war, corporate, or human control and dictation reason).

[Cyrano]

10. If the thugs use the nuclear option, the Dems can shut down the senate.

The senate, unlike the house, has hundreds of ways for the minority party to block legislation and the Dems can literally bring the senate to a standstill.

"But wouldn't this make us look bad?" you ask. As compared to what? We already look like the biggest wimps on the planet. Perhaps there are many people out there (aside from us liberals) who would applaud a show of backbone.

[Plausible]

11. So true

They would need to keep on a united message..........uncontrolled Presidential powers, separation of church and state, right to privacy even for 10 year olds.

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Christian conservative leader Rev. Jerry Falwell said on Sunday that confirming Federal Appeals Court judge Samuel Alito to the U.S. Supreme Court would be the biggest victory for his constituency in three decades.

"What we've worked on for 30 years, to mobilize people of faith and value in this country, what we've done through these years is coming to culmination right now," Falwell said at a rally on the eve of Alito's confirmation hearing.

"Now we're looking at what we really started on 30 years ago, reconstruction of a court system gone awry," Falwell said at a rally at a Baptist church in Philadelphia and broadcast on Christian radio and television.

"There could be a reconstruction of the U.S. Supreme Court in our immediate lifetime," said Falwell.

Falwell and others, including Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Rick Santorum, urged supporters to press senators to confirm Alito, who is set to begin hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday.

"Go to the telephone, write your letter, get to your U.S. senators. Let's confirm this man, Judge Alito, to the U.S. Supreme Court," Falwell said. "And let's make one more step toward bringing America back to one nation under God.""
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=fundLaunches&storyID=2006-01-09T040222Z_01_HO914457_RTRUKOC_0_US-COURT-CONSERVATIVES-CHRISTIANS.xml

[bowens43]

15. Agreed and I hope they the guts to do it.

With shit about to hit the fan with Fitz & Rove and the Abramoff scandal and the likelihood of them losing control of congress in 2006 the republicans are not going to allow this nomination to fail.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of a filibuster, I just think that there is nothing we can do to stop this nomination.

[Name removed]

13. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bowens43]

18. You're kidding right?

Roe being over turned is NOT the worst case scenario, not even close. Alito's love of executive branch power is a much greater threat then Roe being overturned. This has nothing to do with 'partisans' it has to do with patriots. Patriots will never support this administration or those who seek to enable it. Opposition to the anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-Constitutional actions of this administration and the neo-cons should not be a partisan issue.

[converted_democrat]

22. "What would be so horrible about that?"

Uhh.. Women wouldn't have easy and safe access to abortion.. That would be the problem. So, you think it's okay for women to have to sacrifice their futures over this issue until it's sorted out? I don't think so.

on edit- He's a Federalist, and they believe in giving the president unchecked power. This administration has abused power like none other, confirming Alito would give him even more power. We will be living in a dictatorship if he is confirmed. This administration would be able to do whatever they want, and no one could stop them.

[Plausible]

25. yes, where does this let's sacrifice the women's rights come from?

who cares about women's rights. they're only half the population.

history books of the future? the demise of the American dream? first they came for the women and the gays, then they took away viagra.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. You are delusional: Alito will be confirmed, period

It's all over but the crying.

[Plausible]

16. who is delusional?

you think it is delusional to expect the Dems will fight this nominaton?
you give up before there is even a fight?

[bowens43]

20. They need to speak out but

if the Republicans want Alito , we can't stop them. That's not opinion, it's fact. We lost the supreme court battle when we lost the Senate.

[fujiyama]

17. Alito will likely get confirmed

but I don't think he'll get quite the pass Roberts did.

I don't think Alito will get the nearly as many votes as Roberts, but I think he'll get in with some 60 votes or so. The usual turncoats in our party will back him in the end (Lieberman, Landreiu, both Nelsons, Salazar, and maybe a few others).

I don't expect a filibuster (though Alito deserves it), but I don't understand why Dems can't atleast vote no.

[Plausible]

24. dang, where is the fight in DU?

some come here to say just give up?

[fujiyama]

28. Hey by all means fight!

I am definetely not telling anyone to just give up.

But, I've become cynical and pesimistic. I don't expect a filibuster, and even if there was one, I believe repukes would go ahead and pull the nuclear option.

I don't see any hope until Dems have a chance to take back congress.

[Plausible]

29. get on the phone, get on the email to Senators

get your people power in gear :)

[robbedvoter]

30. if I let drunk husband beat me one more time, maybe he'll get better

maybe next time he won't beat me quite so hard....
been hearing this lilly livered "logic" for 5 years - starting with "better that Gore not get his rightuf win - they'd be a mean opposition to us" - and going on to each compromise - big and small. From Florida electoral votes to Iraq - the "give them rope to hang themselves with" has been the slime that keeps us zombifies....
Guess what, go alongers? they are not the only ones getting hung! They are not the ones dying in Iraq or abused by the laws...

[converted_democrat]

31. I'd love to see his financial records.. Wonder how much they paid him?n/t

[peacetalksforall]

33. It saddens me to have some people put all their eggs in the abortion

basket. The key problem with Alito is the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the corporate-military-banking allignment. He is the Fed Society's man - the Fed Society is behind everything having to do with our Constituion and Bill of Rights and they and the think tankers create the policies and are fast at work to change it - change it by denying all interpretations that you were taught about us being a superior country. This is all about making the corporations great - to make them into the ruling class where we will have no rights. Aborton is a small part of this. By all of the above, if he gets in, you are about to become a slave or serf (or more of a slave or serf) unless you are a have-more. He will fulfill their opportunity to flip this nation.