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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:13 PM
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Examples of the president's signing statements
Edited on Mon May-01-06 10:59 AM by newyawker99
Boston Globe
Examples of the president's signing statements
April 30, 2006

Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has issued signing statements on more than 750 new laws, declaring that he has the power to set aside the laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution. The federal government is instructed to follow the statements when it enforces the laws. Here are 10 examples and the dates Bush signed them:

March 9: Justice Department officials must give reports to Congress by certain dates on how the FBI is using the USA Patriot Act to search homes and secretly seize papers.

Bush's signing statement: The president can order Justice Department officials to withhold any information from Congress if he decides it could impair national security or executive branch operations.

Dec. 30, 2005: US interrogators cannot torture prisoners or otherwise subject them to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.

Bush's signing statement: The president, as commander in chief, can waive the torture ban if he decides that harsh interrogation techniques will assist in preventing terrorist attacks.

Dec. 30: When requested, scientific information ''prepared by government researchers and scientists shall be transmitted uncensored and without delay."

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/04/30/examples_of_the_presidents_signing_statements/


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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:02 PM
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1. Why the hell do we pay for a Congress and Senate
fire the lot -- send them home to work in the fields.

Bushie is doing just fine writing all the laws as he sees fit.

<sarcasm>
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:10 PM
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2. He really, really, really thinks he's GOD---Is there anything he can't do?
Dec. 30: When requested, scientific information ''prepared by government researchers and scientists shall be transmitted uncensored and without delay."

Bush's signing statement: The president can tell researchers to withhold any information from Congress if he decides its disclosure could impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch.


doesn't he mean if it will financially impact any of his buddies/supporters businesses then the info will not be released???


I can't believe that Congress has sat back and let this happen, what happened to government OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE?????

How did that many get signed without anybody counting or making public the count?????
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:28 PM
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3. He REALLY. IS. MAKING. THIS. SHIT. UP.
There's no legal basis for these statments, anywhere, anyhow.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:25 AM
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4. Lemme ask an honest question ......
.... as awful as these are .... and make no mistake, I see them as simply indefensible ..... what is the record on this sort of thing with other presidents? The fact is, I've never known this was even possible until a few months ago.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:37 AM
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6. It really began with Reagan in earnest
because of Alito. Clinton wrote many signing statements, but they did not opt him our of the law, they were usually statements of agreement with the law or support for the law or history of why the law was drafted.

You can check out the signing statements at have been archived (not all have as you will see) here - http://www.gpoaccess.gov/wcomp/search.html Just select the time period you want, type signing statements into the box and hit search.

You will be amazed when you compare a Clinton statement to a blivet** one.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 05:46 AM
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10. The first Boston Globe gives the history and numbers
Bush 1, in four years issued double the number of those issued by Clinton in eight years, Bushjr has already doubled (or close to) the number issued by BUsh 1 in his first five years. At 750 (or more) so far, Bush has issued these extra-constitutional statements at a rate of one every three days. Alito's recommendation urged that the statements be used to clarify areas of ambiguity in laws passed by Congress - I believe that bushjr is unique in using these to completely defy the intentions of laws passed by Congress.

Note the wording on all of the examples given in this article: impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch... The first two items are there to give cover - as the exec is often given leeway in those areas - the last is a catchall that can be read to mean anything and everything at all.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:39 AM
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7. I would say....
... that these new positions are unconstitutional. The constitution was written to keep the people safe from an over-reaching government, and these new Blimp's positions are real over-reaching, eh?
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:33 AM
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5. Lord Bush has spoken!
WTF?!?! I seriously believe he thinks he OWNS the country. Delusional lunatic making up his own rules as he goes. We desperately need to impeach this bastard. :mad:
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low_phreaq Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:44 AM
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8. He has refused his Assent to Laws
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
--The Declaration of Independence
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration.html
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 03:52 AM
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9. K&R - These are SHOCKING!
Unfreakin real. :mad:
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:49 PM
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11. K&R and a Question
Can anybody provide sample signing statements from previous presidents? I'd like to understand how over-the-top (compared with the past) that Bush is?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:02 PM
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14. Here are two signing statements related to FISA:
Jimmy Carter's Original:
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

Bill Clinton's on Physical Searches Amendment:
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm

They don't claim any special abilities or anything else like that. They just say how the law shall be enforced, but none of these enforcement instructions has any meaning.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:56 PM
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12. What is most shocking
is that Congress is not up in arms about this --- BOTH parties. The Congress is being emasculated and made powerless by the Executive Branch. If every law they pass can be bypassed by Bush at his whim, why even bother? Bush is spitting on checks and balances -- no surprise there --- since he spits on the Constitution all the time.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:47 PM
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15. i agree -- Congress has chucked oversight overboard
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:58 PM
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13. The statements violate the constitution
how orwellian of them to describe the laws as unconstitutional.
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:53 PM
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16. So, how is this different from a dictatorship?
The only difference I can see is that we can vote this party out in 2006 and 2008. Oh, wait...Voting machines are compromised too!

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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:00 PM
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17. Complete list of Presidential Signing statements here:
Complete list of Presidential Signing statements here: http://tinyurl.com/s3md8

There is some very scary stuff in here - I urge all DU'ers to take a look and see what they can find!

(This was a 797 character long URL - thank you TinyURL!)
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