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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:42 PM
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Olbermann Asks If Colbert Crossed A Line
Hang him! Kill him! He is not a liberal! Who does he think he is, insulting a brave, comic genius! We must have his head!
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:44 PM
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1. do any of these people
actually watch 'the colbert report'?

who did they think they were booking and what did they think he'd do?

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:46 PM
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2. Buhwawawawawawawawa!
Keep'em commin. Eventually they'll get it.

BRAVO. GREAT POST!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:52 PM
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7. Nah, they won't
;)
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:48 PM
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3. is there a prize for most asinine thread?
nominated
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:04 PM
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12. I second that
nomination.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:10 PM
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13. Yes, absolutely, ridicule deserves our contempt
Oh wait. Isn't that what Colbert does?

Ok, how's this: ridicule we disagree with deserves our contempt.

There.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:13 PM
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17. if you don't get what went on Saturday night, WTF are you DOING here?
huh?

wise up

Colbert went to the heart of what's wrong with this DICTATORSHIP

you're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you're in a very tiny minority here

see the Plaid Adder thread on this. you might learn something. then, email it to poor Keith. maybe he'll discover his nutsac

jesus
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:16 PM
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19. Thanks for letting me have my opinion
Where do I go to pass my litmus test? Is it multiple choice?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:35 PM
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25. reread my post....sorry if you don't get the point
could care less about LITMUS tests...nice straw man, though. I couldn't care less what you think, other than you so miss the point of what Colbert did

face it. most here know which way the wind blows.

you don't

too bad for you

have fun
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:43 PM
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27. Absolutely
truthiness in numbers!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:50 PM
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29. you really really REALLY don't get it at all
Edited on Mon May-01-06 09:11 PM by Gabi Hayes
if there'd be ONE person expressing that POV, he'd still be, uh, RIGHT

remember this guy called Gallileo Gallilei?

probably not, I'd guess

did you read the plaid adder thread? probably not. why not go over there and add your pearls of wisdom to that

here. I'll make it easy for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1074322&mesg_id=1074322

''By doing that talk, Colbert modeled for them the refusal to compromise and the willingness to offend that they should have been demonstrating every day in that press room during the run-up to the Iraq war. It's not polite to call someone a liar to his face just because he's told you something that's patently not true. It's not appropriate social behavior to continue pushing your question in someone's face once he's said goodbye to you and moved on to someone else, just because he hasn't answered it. It's not grateful to repay the nice man who gave you your press pass and just called on you by asking him the questions you know he least wants to hear. It's not good manners to demand in no uncertain terms something that your host refuses to give you, even if it's the truth.''
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:54 PM
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30. You forgot your link
but regardless, yes, I read it. Well before I posted the OP. And obviously I "don't get it" - I disagree with you (and her). So, let's continue eating our own because we have differences of opinion. That's a sure fire way to keep up our winning streak!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:23 PM
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31. look....sorry, OK? we disagree, and you're using a straw man to support
your argument

when the chips were down, Olbermann revealed what he's made of. he may not see it as important an event as most here do, because the MAIN REASON we're this close to fascism is that the media have not only not done their job as the fourth estate, they've been complicit all the way down the line.

I have a tendence to overreact to things when I get really angry, and I'm REALLY angry about yet another example of the press helping cover for this incompetent war criminal. and this is a particularly egregious example, because, had this been about WJC, it would have been trumpeted through the highlands. Instead, we get...crickets, or the occasional slam of Colbert, along with a kudos to the comedic brilliance of a halfwit who can only make light of his halfwittedness.

I realize you have a personal stake in defending your thread; nothing wrong with that. nothing personal on my part. I'm just VERY disappointed that, for whatever reason, Olbermann is traveling with the herdbots on this one, and it's a seminal issue...one that shows where he stands, and he sits. And he can sit on it.

the choice of Milbank as his confrere on this is very revealing, as well. I can't stand that smarmy CS. you know about his treatment of the Conyers hearings, right?

this is why I'm so angry at KO for choosing that worm, among other reasons. Milbank should NEVER, EVER be allowed to comment on those who trash his filthy work.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=3617

extra lengthy snip, courtesy of publicly released Conyers letter

Last week, when the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, Michigan Democrat John Conyers, chaired an extraordinary hearing on what has come to be known as the "Downing Street Memo"--details of pre-war meetings where aides to British Prime Minister Tony Blair discussed the fact that, while the case for war was "thin," the Bush Administration was busy making sure that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy"--the Post ridiculed Conyers and the dozens of other members of Congress who are trying to get to the bottom of a scandal that former White House counsel John Dean has correctly identified as "worse than Watergate."

Post writer Dana Milbank penned a snarky little piece that, like similar articles in the New York Times and other "newspapers of record," displayed all the skepticism regarding Bush Administration misdeeds that one might expect to find in a White House press release.

To his credit, Conyers hit back.

In a letter addressed to the Post's national editor, the newspaper's ombudsman and Milbank, the veteran House member was blunt.

"Dear Sirs," Conyers began, "I write to express my profound disappointment with Dana Milbank's June 17 report, 'Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War,' which purports to describe a Democratic hearing I chaired in the Capitol yesterday. In sum, the piece cherry-picks some facts, manufactures others out of whole cloth, and does a disservice to some 30 members of Congress who persevered under difficult circumstances, not of our own making, to examine a very serious subject: whether the American people were deliberately misled in the lead up to war. The fact that this was the Post's only coverage of this event makes the journalistic shortcomings in this piece even more egregious.

"In an inaccurate piece of reporting that typifies the article, Milbank implies that one of the obstacles the Members in the meeting have is that 'only one' member has mentioned the Downing Street Minutes on the floor of either the House or Senate. This is not only incorrect but misleading. In fact, just yesterday, the Senate Democratic Leader, Harry Reid, mentioned it on the Senate floor. Senator Boxer talked at some length about it at the recent confirmation hearing for the Ambassador to Iraq. The House Democratic Leader, Nancy Pelosi, recently signed on to my letter, along with 121 other Democrats asking for answers about the memo. This information is not difficult to find either. For example, the Reid speech was the subject of an AP wire service report posted on the Washington Post website with the headline 'Democrats Cite Downing Street Memo in Bolton Fight.' Other similar mistakes, mischaracterizations and cheap shots are littered throughout the article.

"The article begins with an especially mean and nasty tone, claiming that House Democrats 'pretended' a small conference room was the Judiciary Committee hearing room and deriding the decor of the room. Milbank fails to share with his readers one essential fact: the reason the hearing was held in that room, an important piece of context. Despite the fact that a number of other suitable rooms were available in the Capitol and House office buildings, Republicans declined my request for each and every one of them. Milbank could have written about the perseverance of many of my colleagues in the face of such adverse circumstances, but declined to do so. Milbank also ignores the critical fact picked up by the AP, CNN and other newsletters that at the very moment the hearing was scheduled to begin, the Republican Leadership scheduled an almost unprecedented number of 11 consecutive floor votes, making it next to impossible for most Members to participate in the first hour and one half of the hearing.

"In what can only be described as a deliberate effort to discredit the entire hearing, Milbank quotes one of the witnesses as making an anti-semitic assertion and further describes anti-semitic literature that was being handed out in the overflow room for the event. First, let me be clear: I consider myself to be a friend and supporter of Israel and there were a number of other staunchly pro-Israel members who were in attendance at the hearing. I do not agree with, support, or condone any comments asserting Israeli control over US policy, and I find any allegation that Israel is trying to dominate the world or had anything to do with the September 11 tragedy disgusting and offensive.

"That said, to give such emphasis to 100 seconds of a 3 hour and five minute hearing that included the powerful and sad testimony (hardly mentioned by Milbank) of a woman who lost her son in the Iraq war and now feels lied to as a result of the Downing Street Minutes, is incredibly misleading. Many, many different pamphlets were being passed out at the overflow room, including pamphlets about getting out of the Iraq war and anti-Central American Free Trade Agreement, and it is puzzling why Milbank saw fit to only mention the one he did.

"In a typically derisive and uninformed passage, Milbank makes much of other lawmakers calling me 'Mr. Chairman' and says I liked it so much that I used 'chairmanly phrases.' Milbank may not know that I was the Chairman of the House Government Operations Committee from 1988 to 1994. By protocol and tradition in the House, once you have been a Chairman you are always referred to as such. Thus, there was nothing unusual about my being referred to as Mr. Chairman.

"To administer his coup-de-grace, Milbank literally makes up another cheap shot that I 'was having so much fun that ignored aides' entreaties to end the session.' This did not occur. None of my aides offered entreaties to end the session and I have no idea where Milbank gets that information. The hearing certainly ran longer than expected, but that was because so many Members of Congress persevered under very difficult circumstances to attend, and I thought--given that--the least I could do was allow them to say their piece. That is called courtesy, not 'fun.'

"By the way, the 'Downing Street Memo' is actually the minutes of a British cabinet meeting. In the meeting, British officials--having just met with their American counterparts--describe their discussions with such counterparts. I mention this because that basic piece of context, a simple description of the memo, is found nowhere in Milbank's article.

"The fact that I and my fellow Democrats had to stuff a hearing into a room the size of a large closet to hold a hearing on an important issue shouldn't make us the object of ridicule. In my opinion, the ridicule should be placed in two places: first, at the feet of Republicans who are so afraid to discuss ideas and facts that they try to sabotage our efforts to do so; and second, on Dana Milbank and the Washington Post, who do not feel the need to give serious coverage on a serious hearing about a serious matter-whether more than 1700 Americans have died because of a deliberate lie. Milbank may disagree, but the Post certainly owed its readers some coverage of that viewpoint.

"Sincerely, John Conyers, Jr"


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jumpoffdaplanet Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:50 PM
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4. He just just doesn't have to balls of Colbert
Not a crime, just a disappointment.

And watching Keith you could see he knows he caved. But as much as it must gall, he won't really risk his high-paying job.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:10 PM
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14. Oh, it has nothing to do with his job. His job is not in danger.
Besides, he said much worse things about Bush tonight.

I don't know what it is. That much, I admit. But it's not concern for his "high-paying job."

My theory is that Keith has this twisted sense of courtesy that says that if you accept a speaking invitation, you don't then go and rip your audience to shreds...no matter how much they deserve it.

Me, I think they fully deserved it, and that Keith's being too chivalrous.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:16 PM
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20. SLAP
go away
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:50 PM
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5. Colbert may just have saved the planet
I was just reading on Democrats.com that despite all Bush is determined to attack Iran, remember, how he was itching to go to war with Sadaam, now it is the same thing with Iran. Since George rules by his 'gut' instinct, I think that the atmosphere where the only thing that gets through to him is "Laura is really hot" is not helpful. Colbert's biting sarcasm might just cause Bush to apply the brakes, I don't think we could have given a better reality check to Bush, there was no legitimate reason to attack Iraq, there is no legitimate reason to attack Iran now. If something can get through that Bubble and cause him to realize that nukes are not an option, it's a miracle.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:37 PM
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34. You may be right. He didn't do that to get accolades, he did it
Edited on Mon May-01-06 09:37 PM by shance
because he's one of the few with the guts to care that much about our country.

And he did it in the best way he could: through the guise of comedy.

However, the truth in what he was saying, along with the absurdity of what this planet is experiencing because of the individuals in Washington could not be ignored by them. It took incredible conviction to do what he did.

The speech was a hail Mary in the end of the fourth quarter.

And it was a touchdown, no matter how much the political referees want to question the call.

It was some much needed CPR for the truth of the nation.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 03:41 PM
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38. think of it as drilling through the babble bubble
that's what the white house is now, the tower of babble
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:52 PM
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6. That's pretty much what the discussion should be focussing on
...and then they'll realize WHY he crossed the line.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:52 PM
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8. KO has officially been replaced by a cyborg. He has jumped the shark. nt
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:53 PM
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9. Oh yes he did
Colbert cross line
Dixie chicks too
Pink
Neil Young
Yes yes so many others too

Good question
What line
Line of being silence and getting screwed
Cobert cross line and speak up

DO YOU DARE TO CROSS THIS LINE
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 07:54 PM
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10. Yeah, Colbert crossed
the fucking line in the sand..damn straight.

And it took Colbertian Balls.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:25 PM
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21. Colbertian Balls Perfect, I love it. nt
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:27 PM
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23. Wanna see what Colbertian balls look like?


Sorry! Couldn't resist. Feeling a bit punchy tonight. ;)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:34 PM
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24. How about Colbertian Nads? Gender-neutral. Or just Colbertian?
Kind of like Olympian, but much funnier.
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twenty2strings Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:03 PM
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11. That's fine. Just look at it. Take sides.......
But don't HIDE. Say why it didn't work,or that it was mean,or that it was biased. That's OK. They showed actual clips. So many times an event is discussed without examination of the actual event. So, corporate editoral stranglehold aside,it was there.KUDOS. AND they used Michael Moores site tagline. "Truthiness To Power" It's gonna be all right. We got fish to fry.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:11 PM
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15. And Dana Milbank slobbered all over Chimpy's lame jokes
Edited on Mon May-01-06 08:21 PM by Julius Civitatus
Dana Milbank (WP) replied to Olberman's questions by drooling about how "funny" and "great" the lame performance by Chimpy was.

Get this: a smirking Dana Milbank claimed that teh reason why the media are not reporting on Colbert is because of how much "better" and "superior comedy" the lame bit from Bush with his double was.

Gag me with a spoon.

:puke:
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:12 PM
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16. Yup over the top
I think if it was over the top because the rw press and Bush are over the top..I mean how do you lampoon somebody like that? Some times I read headlines coming out of this administration I often think..NOOooooo this has to be an onion article..no way is it true....The press and Bush have simply been that
ridiculous..pretend you don't know who O'Rielly is...sit Cobert next to him listen...what one would you think was actually satire? It would a flipping hard call. If it was over the top it is the Rights own fault. They are over the top.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:15 PM
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18. I don not agree with your comment
You trying to stir some stuff hehheh

KO did fine
He show more than any other

So so he cant say what he feels
What you expect

But he did good job
Only 3 way to go
1) Support Colbert mean you cant do piece
2) Neutral hehe ok that is what news about
3) Or go nuts and attack Colbert hehe that KO never do

So now you idiot
Why need to hang him
Why need to kill him
You talking like MORAN1111
or
You showing dark humor :rofl:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:37 PM
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26. you make funny words combine!
thanking you most fine!
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:48 PM
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28. Just
troll hunting
They always pop when got chance to cause division
They like taking one stick at time and breaking it

They know they cant break whole bundles of stick so doing it piece by piece

Me got lots of delete post hehe
Me call a pig, a PIG when I see a PIG
Very rude :rofl:
But I like to eat them while they screaming and crying
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:25 PM
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32. heh...can I come visit?
me no troll no pig, me

pygmy, maybe, not pig me
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:43 PM
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35. Sure sure
:hug: most welcome

But dont bring any bushco
Get big crowd
Welcome turn to biff bang boom session
What can I say they do so love him :rofl:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. thank you love you
Edited on Mon May-01-06 09:47 PM by Gabi Hayes
not gay, by way (no wrong with, by way)

be there soon

how to find?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Across oceans
far away

Malaysia
Nice place hot humid all the time
214 ethic races
Classified as Moderate Muslim Country
24 million soul
Sending first Muslim to space :rofl:
But you need worry. Come christmas time good.
You wish Muslim here Merry Christmas they wish you Merry Christmas right back.
Of course still got Muslim fanatic
But we got ISA throw them all in jail if they turn nutcase. :rofl:
Of course other people say that is against Human Right.
But LAW not miss use so we happy.
Small country but not poor
Think we like 22nd in term of economy.
If sick and poor go general hospital
Get cure first talk of bills later: oops bills misplace aaargh ok need pay :rofl:
Only very rare sickness then problems but usually press highlight cases and Malaysian all donate for cure.
But no drugs DEATH PENALTY
Do not talk racial stuff you get in trouble.
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tetedur Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:27 PM
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22. Did Bush cross a line?
A long time ago I lost the ability to think that what Bush does is funny. While laughter is the only thing that can get you through sometimes, I can't laugh at what is happening to my country in the hands of the criminals that are in power now.

I can't decide what was more disgusting, Bush making a joke out of not finding WMD in his office as he did in a past correspondent's dinner or those who laughed with him about it.

The people in that room Saturday night who weren't embarassed of themselves as they should have been can all kiss my ass. They will never get it.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:27 PM
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33. amen......I'm SO mad about that WMD 'funny', especially in light of
media fawning over the latest piece of garbage humor from those jackwads

here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1061353
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