Official Alito Hearing Thread – Day 3 – Thread 4

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Thread 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x106359

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x106806#107023

Thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x107348#107929

[WahooJunkie]

1. "they don't add up"

get him!!!!!

[mrcheerful]

2. BAM

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. Ahhhh!!!! The sender does not know what the recipient gets????

What a jackass.

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. Drat! I wanted Kennedy to give the Repugs a lesson on constitutional...

responsibility of Advise and Consent.

[dogday]

4. Subpoena the records

do it, do it now!!!!!

[dogday]

Fight Fight Fight

lol

[LSK]

9. OMG This is HUGH!!!111 Im series!!!

[underpants]

13. Specter and Kennedy going at it over letter

[CornField]

5. You did get a letter?

LOL!

[Pacifist Patriot]

10. Slugfest???

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. ohhh, Senator catfight!

:O

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. Go Teddy!!!!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

24. Kennedy wants to Subpoena the records!!

ooohhhhhhhh hooooooo!

[doublethink]

8. Subpoena the Cap Records !!!!!!

:)

[Wickerman]

14. Go Kennedy!!!

This is great stuff!

[doublethink]

19. Do It !!!!!!

GO KENEDY GO KENEDY DON'T BACK DOWN!!! :)

[LoKnLoD]

11. What does Kennedy know that he is not saying ?

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. I am DYING to know.

[LSK]

17. i guess its in the Cap records

Maybe someone contacted him who know Alito back then?

[deadmessengers]

16. Uncle Ted is PISSED n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. WOOHOO! Go Ted!

Sounds like Specter isn't going to do it. Now Specter is lying about not getting the request from Ted for the records of CAP.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. Oh this is good. This is really really good!

[babylonsister]

Cat fight between Specter and Kennedy! What are they

fighting about?

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Ted sent a request to Specter to get the CAP records from

The Library of Congress. Specter said he never got that request or would consider it?.:eyes: LIAR. Ted said he sent it on Dec. 22 and Specter DOES HAVE IT. Specter got pissed off that Ted insinuated he was lying.:)

[babylonsister]

102. I thought Specter was on the fence; this either proves he's not, or

he doesn't like having his authority messed with.

[in_cog_ni_to]

118. I don't know. he's pro-choice, right? but

this crap going on now makes him look just as bad as all the other repukes.:(

[babylonsister]

128. Yes, pro-choice. Makes me wonder, too. nt

[gkhouston]

134. he doesn't like having his authority messed with is a given

and I'm sure he's being pressured from the right. I'm guessing that he intends to ultimately vote "no" but doesn't want to be seen to openly aid and abet "the enemy". He may have been hoping Alito would self-destruct via other means.

[babylonsister]

138. I pray you're right! nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

43. Kennedy asked for an executive session to vote on subpoena of

the CAP records. Specter mentioned a letter. Kennedy said he knew Specter got it because he sent it. It's a letter requesting the CAP docs from the Library of Congress. Specter went off on "the sender doesn't know what the recipient has received." Never really denied he didn't have it but never confirmed he got it either. Danced semantically.

Kennedy said he's going to keep calling for the vote over and over again. Specter got his chairman ass in a twist and accused Kennedy of threatening him. Specter's trying to block a subpoena that I suspect Kennedy knows will hang Alito for perjury.

[Corgigal]

69. OK, perjury

Explain why. I know Alito join ROTC at age 35 but was is Kennedy looking for, or more likely, know?

[Pacifist Patriot]

93. I'm a big garbled on it but I think it has to do with

his denial about remembering joining CAP.

[Dinger]

135. That Was A BLATANT Lie

Like he was saying, "I'm lying, everybody knows it, and there's nothing you can do about it."
Scalito is screwing up big time. I like it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

101. I "think" he was a member for a LOT longer than he says he was.

He's now saying he can't remember anything about the club. My guess is the Dems know he was a member for a LONG time and the repukes won't give them the papers to prove it. He perjured himself. This must have been a KKK type club? Or something close to it? I'm hoping the Dems have some ex members who can testify? :shrug:

IF I'm wrong on this, someone will correct me.:)

[babylonsister]

99. Thank you for the clarification. I reckon Kennedy isn't the only

one who will be bringing this up!

[mrcheerful]

21. Go ted John and Bobby must be grinning

[Dinger]

137. Aww, That's Sweet, And . . . .

probably true.

Always remember, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[hang a left]

22. Check out the shit eating grin on Leahy!!!!!

Ha ha ha aha ah

[chiffon]

23. Specter: "You don't know what I received!"

Kennedy: "Yes, I do if I sent you the letter."

Bwahahahahahahaha

[MsUSA]

31. Whew......

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. He's never said whether he got Kennedy's Dec 22 letter or not.

Lying sack of scum.

[babylonsister]

26. Executive session brought up? Specter is p.o.ed! nt

[CornField]

27. This is bullshit -- He cannot refuse an appeal of the ruling

[LSK]

35. he kinda didnt, he said he would consider it

He denied he ever got a request.

[CornField]

46. He got the request -- the request came during the hearing right now

The request was to move into executive session... the chair refused that request... Kennedy then moved to appeal the ruling of the chair and the chair refused the appeal.

That goes against the rules of order. The chair cannot refuse an appeal of his ruling.

[Mist]

28. Just tuned in--senatorial squabbling! Does Kennedy think that Alito

was MUCH MORE involved in CAP than Alito says he was? Does he have proof?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. Grassley now

time for a nap...

[MsUSA]

47. Got that right.....

I can not believe how much I hate these repubs.....HATE THEM. I know hate is a strong word, and actually it really doesn't indicate how much I despise them.

[Pacifist Patriot]

60. Time for me to go put the 2 year old down for a nap. Maybe it'll

be interesting when I get back.

[leftchick]

30. holy fuck that was pretty exciting TV!

:popcorn:

don't mess with Ted!

[Surya Gayatri]

54. OK, but what

will be the upshot? Will the CAP records be subpeonaed or not? Where does it go now? Teddy had to back down finally. SG

[radio4progressives]

64. "to be decided" .... dollars to donuts Specter will not grant subpoena

for the CAP records - interesting that's in the Library of Congress - and yet not available to the Senators?

i don't get it...

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. This is CRIMINAL.

This man has comitted pergury on National TV and is going to get away with breaking the law? What happened to "The Rule of Law" they were so fond of during the Clinton debacle?

[dogday]

32. Is Spector saying he never received Kennedy's request?

nt

[babylonsister]

36. He didn't say either way AFAIK. nt

[LSK]

45. he said he never got the letter from Kennedy

I guess Capital mail sucks???

[Pacifist Patriot]

55. I don't know. I was watching pretty closely and I think he ducked it.

[radio4progressives]

70. at the minimum, Specter implied that he did not receive the letter..

I'd have to see a replay or read transcript to determine if he specifically stated that he did not receive the letter, or merely tried to imply it.

[CornField]

78. When the whole exchange began Spector said

"I did get a letter." At that point, Kennedy immediately interrupted him with "YOU DID GET A LETTER?" Then Spector began to backtrack on that first statement by spouting the sender doesn't know blah-blah-blah

[LSK]

97. are you sure Specter said "he got a letter" at one point?

[CornField]

105. Positive -- the very beginning of the squabble

Kennedy made his request for an executive session -- Spector began a diatribe about how many requests his office had received. He paused and said, "I got a letter." That's when Kennedy lit into him with an elevated voice, "You did get a letter?"

[radio4progressives]

98. ohh.. interesting.. ok... thanks! NT

[LSK]

89. he said he did not get the letter - specifically

They argued about what Kennedy sent but Specter did not recieve.

Clear as day.

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. HE'S A LIAR and Ted knows it!

Go Ted!

[LSK]

37. yes

[mrcheerful]

He's trying to say that he doesn't have to say he got Teds mail lol

[TahitiNut]

49. Nope. It's a non-denial denial.

He claims the Kennedy can't say what he (Specter) received but didn't (afaik) say he didn't receive it. It seems clear that Specter ignored what Kennedy sent.

[dogday]

59. Yes it does and Spector looks suspect

to me as well. He won't acknowledge this because it is an important issue that could bring Alito down. Of course he says this...

[Debau2005]

111. With any luck

there is a return receipt. You would think after the "white powder" scares of the past few years, that they would be able to trace all mail coming and going from the Senate offices.

[Pacifist Patriot]

52. No, that isn't want he said at all. Very clever verbage.

He got out of denying he received it by simply claiming the sender doesn't know what an intended recipient receives. I wish Teddy had said..."Did you get it or not? Yes or No."

[hang a left]

33. That was awesome.

Excuse me while I turn down the tv.

[doublethink]

34. TOUCHDOWN KENNEDY!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce:
on edit: spelling ..... was a bit excited there ..... :)

[MADem]

More like SMACKDOWN!!!!!

Arlen, by suggesting he did not receive Ted's 12/22 letter, INSULTED the US postal service--or the interoffice mail system in the Senate!!!!!!!

That was some good shit!

[underpants]

38. OMG! *gulp* that has hilarious

Specter just about flipped out.

[Corgigal]

40. Kennedy

release the letter you sent. Maybe that will give us all a tip on where Kennedy is looking.

[merbex]

41. Ted Kennedy speaks for me!!!

Specter you look like an idiot when Alito doesn't seem to mind

[bigtree]

42. meltdown!

good squabble to put focus on the lie that Alito didn't know what was going on with the good ole boy's club he touted on his application.

[WahooJunkie]

44. it got lost in the mail???

wtf isn't that the first excuse you use when you can't pay a bill and they come harrass you about it?

where does specter get off acting like this?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

48. Grassley - "your candor is refreshing"

oh for crying out loud.

They must be going through kneepads like crazy today...

[C_U_L8R]

50. The shredders are kicking into high gear

over at that fascist little club at Princeton.

Hope Teddy's got an inside line on something.

[gumby]

51. Is Grassley gonna call his fellow Senators

LIARS again?

Grassley :loveya: racists. Grassley :loveya: racists.

[DemonFighterLives]

53. I went offline for a bit

but Teddy Kennedy was great. Spector sucks-pristine bullet man.
Grassley sucks. Spector saying he didn't get the letter. Slap of the Gavel on Teddy.
:wow:

[Debau2005]

67. Could Grassley

do any more ass kissing of Alito?

[CornField]

90. Obviously you've never had the pleasure of seeing him with Bush

I wish I had missed out on that too. :puke:

[DemonFighterLives]

92. He's giving alito R&R

Kennedy was calling him out on whether he recieved the president of Princetons letter talking about the racist/bigotted stuff that cap was pulling.
Why else would someone join a group unless they liked their politics?

[sasha031]

56. I am so proud of Kennedy

a true patriot a real fighter

[Sparkman]

57. OF COURSE DuhLito ruled against the government! FOR CORPORATE crimes

[JohnnyRingo]

58. Alito has dementia

He should be rejected if only for that.

If anyone can watch this without knowledge that he's lying under oath, then they're lying to themselves.
This man should be sent back with a message to Buxh that the highest court is not a private club for his racist, ideologic friends.

A judge who sees perjury as a tool for doing daily business has no place there.

[sasha031]

61. got a feeling that CAP's alumni

use to run around white sheets in the night burning crosses

[in_cog_ni_to]

80. I hope some CAPs members are now Democrats and will be witnesses.

for the Democrats. Wouldn't that be sweeeet?:)

[sasha031]

106. Senator Bradley was/ got out when he saw they were sickos

I think the Repukes are blocking Dem's from calling witnesses

[in_cog_ni_to]

124. Those bastards. Then a FILIBUSTER is a MUST!

:grr:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

62. 50 posts in 8 minutes!

must see TV indeed!

you guys rock!

[underpants]

83. At the end Specter almost snapped off the gavel

It was about as exciting as it can get in the Senate.

Look out they (RW) are going to come out guns ablazing after Teddy for this.

[doublethink]

95. Yea the Kennedy - Specter Exchange .....

was raising the blood pressure in here wasn't it? Gotta go get some more :popcorn: ... while Grassley ho hums now.

[Nordmadr]

63. Ahhh...I see we are now back to sexually pleasuring Alito

with the current questioner. Kennedy was awesome. Seems he suspects there is more to this CAP thing.

Don't take any shit Ted!!

Olafr

[hang a left]

72. I agree, he has him in the box.

They know something. Chances are they won't get the records.

[Surya Gayatri]

74. Yeah, more mutually satisfying

verbal stimulation! LOL! SG

[tedzbear]

86. Thank u Teddy!!!!!!!

Man, Spector was pissed. He slammed the gavel repeatedly. Kennedy must have hit a nerve. (you think??)

[Sparkman]

66. WHAT a memory, back to 1965 details of his father's redistricting details!

[LSK]

71. selective

[Viva_La_Revolution]

75. but he doesn't recall the ideology of a club he belonged to in college...

selective memory disease.

[toymachines]

107. not only belonged to

What gets me is that he put it on his goddam job application! Yet he doesn't seem to have ever even attended a meeting? This guy is LYING.

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. SELECTIVE MEMORY. There's a "treatment" for that, right?

I'S CALLED: FILIBUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[txindy]

109. Well, I was thinking of prison

But a filibuster works, too.

;)

[Sparkman]

122. FILIBUSTER and public ridicule in the national media.

[gumby]

81. Good point!

...... A-LIE-To

[pberq]

87. Yes. when it comes to that -

but heck, he's racked his brains and just can't seem to recall why he joined a bigoted racist organization.

[gkhouston]

103. maybe he did drugs during/after college

and that's why the CAP stuff is so hazy? :shrug: ;-)

[Sparkman]

125. Like his TRUE hero, fighter jock, war pres & coca sniffer, reformed...*

[lpbk2713]

73. Grassley is reading verbatim from his notes.

No doubt this is a script provided by the BFEE.


Do you think he has any idea in hell what he is saying? Is he capable of an original thought?

[Debau2005]

79. He is reading

like this is the first time he has seen them. Maybe he should have read over them before his turn! If you are watching it, you can tell he is reading word for word....

[lpbk2713]

96. Yep. That's why I think it's a script fed to him by BFEE.

He is indeed stammering and stuttering like it's the first time he's seen it.


This is a fuggen three ring circus.

[dogday]

84. What is the freaking question Senator?

this is just a puff piece for Alito.

[underpants]

94. He did that yesterday

He flat out cold read a question. It was pretty clear that he had never seen it before.

[Debau2005]

77. One person one vote

Alito says that statement was never in his record. Does anyone have that documentation?

[Sparkman]

82. Better get a transmittal letter, signed or Spector may LOOSE it too.

[Surya Gayatri]

85. Jeez, Grassass can't

even read properly let alone express an original thought. SG

[radio4progressives]

88. Anyone know who is up next? NT

[tedzbear]

104. But Teddy can't do all the heavy lifting here all by himself...

...the rest of these Democrats better continue hounding Spectre/Scalito or all is lost.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

113. Should be Biden

if they go in the same order as yesterday.

[radio4progressives]

126. Biden ? Yawn...more soft balls, I'll check in for Feingold's questions..

Unless something surprising develops that is... ;)

[adigal]

91. I'm calling Arlen - it's busy, so I will keep calling

I am calling Arlen's office and saying I want to know what is in those CAP records before we vote in a racist.

Arlen's office: 202-224-4254

[Debau2005]

100. Spector's site is down!

The error I get:

Sorry, the http://Specter.senate.gov web page you have requested is experiencing technical difficulties. The Webmaster has been alerted.
You will be automatically redirected to the http://Specter.senate.gov Home page after 10 seconds.

If this problem persists, please contact the Office of the Secretary Webmaster at [e-mail].

[Horse with no Name]

123. I bet Rove was right on top of that one

Server probably went down the second the email was mentioned.*cough*

[Grateful for Hope]

129. I was able to email him

through his site. If it is down now, it is probably because of heavy traffic. His Washington phone line has been busy for a very long time now.

[hang a left]

108. Yep...it is busy n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

115. I'm glad it's busy

That is no way to run a ocmmittee.
Oooh, Kennedy has submitted a reply letter to his letter.

[Grateful for Hope]

127. I sent him an email

urging him to subpeona Alito's CAP records. Phone has been CONSISTENTLY busy for me also. Will also keep trying.

[in_cog_ni_to]

110. Ummm. about the Kennedy/Specter letter...

Doesn't the Senate mail have DELIVERY CONFIRMATION? I wonder if Kennedy has PROOF Specter got the letter? SURELY they have some kind of system in place to verify delivery of important Senate correspondence?

[Algorem]

112. "Kennedy and Specter Have Words"-W. Post blog/forum p.o.s.-

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/campaignforthecourt/2006/01/kennedy_and_spe.html

Kennedy and Specter Have Words
Things really got ugly -- really ugly -- between Sens. Kennedy and Specter.
Kennedy (D-Mass.) asked further hostile questions on CAP -- the Concerned Alumni of Princeton organization that, among other things, opposed co-education at the university. Kennedy said he did not think Alito's responses to the committee on CAP "add up." Kennedy proposed issuing a subpoena to the owner of the organization's records and going into executive session to do so.
Specter reacted angrily, asking why Kennedy had not brought this up in private as opposed to consulting with Specter on it in advance. Kennedy claimed he sent Specter a letter. Specter, angrily, said he never got one.
"If you're going to rule it out of order, I want to have a vote on that," Kennedy said...

[MADem]

119. OOOOPS!!! Turns out Arlen DID get the letter!!!!!

Kennedy just put his staff's response to it into the record!!! Bwahahahahaha!!!!

[Grateful for Hope]

130. Excellent, huh!

I cheered when I heard that.

:bounce:

[Algorem]

132. maybe this goes somewhere!Go Kennedy!

[MADem]

136. People for the American Way have been trying to access the Rusher papers

since last NOVEMBER. The only hope is for the Judiciary Committee to DEMAND them--we need a look-see, because there has GOTTA be something good in there....

Where there is smoke, there is fire....

[Sparkman]

133. PROOF the RW repukes will LIE even when they KNOW the shoe is dropping...

Inferior individuals working with inferior mental conditioning from a lifetime of kissing too many asses.

[Sparkman]

131. Later, session lunch time, KENNEDY cited chap. & verse on transmittal ...

Where the aides to Sphinkector and Kennedy documented the request for the CAP records. Go Ted, make your brothers proud!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

114. Thread 5 up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x108345

[LSK]

116. Kennedy is back

Putting it in the record regarding the letter.

[dogday]

117. Durbin asking for time to rebut

the republicans....Republicans calling names and using their usual crappy tactics....

[RepublicanElephant]

121. ...and of course being denied equal time.

of course he'll get to repsond when coburn is back...
so coburn gets an extra chance to speak.

[dogday]

120. Doing what they do best -------LUNCH!!!!

[adigal]

139. Anyone listening to Bush on Fox??

He is defending his legacy of spying on Americans, and my fellow citizens keep getting up and telling him it is fine, and that he has kept them safe. And the audience applauds. Bush sounds very, very nervous - almost hyperventilating.

This asshole is now asking him how to teach Muslims to value the separation of Church and state. Is this wasn't so tragic, the irony of asking King George, the Christian would kill me.

[sasha031]

140. still can't remember Cap

[Plausible]

141. Specter

helped push Clarence Thomas onto the court....Roberts.
why didn't he answer that letter?

[LeftCoast]

142. Locking

We're onto thread #10 now