prior to war bush stated no nation building. does anyone remember?

[seabeyond]

i know prior to the war when bush started talking about why go to war with iraq he talked about breaking u.n. resolution, 9/11 connection, nuclear, tubes, drones, bad saddam but he also said this was not a matter of nation building, or this is not about liberating or freeing the people of iraq, that isnt what we do. this war is about protecting us, not for or about iraqi people. very blunt.

this was initial speeches about war, then later he started saying poor people in iraq, we want to help.

does anyone remember?

does anyone have any links?

they say google is our friend. google isnt my friend. google doesnt like me.

2000 campaign bush said this in debate with gore. i am not looking for that. it was in the summer or early fall of 2002 that bush was saying this. i would appreciate any help. spent hours last night looking.

[spanone]

1. Yes, I do. He lied and THEN he was selected.

[seabeyond]

5. i am not talking 2000 campaign. i am talking summer early fall 2002

when promoting the war to iraq he said it. probaby because of campaign speech of 2000

[MADem]

15. This "whopper of the week" might help in your research

http://www.slate.com/?id=2066449

Whopper of the Week: Ari Fleischer
Gaslighting the press about nation-building.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, May 31, 2002, at 5:46 PM ET
"Q: When did the President change his mind about nation-building?

"A: Can you be more specific? What are you referring to?

"Q: Well, the New York Times really strongly interprets his speech yesterday—something that you want to build—now you're going to take care of health, welfare, and education of the Afghans in the aftermath of the hostilities. That's nation-building.

"A: The President has always been for those. I think what you're getting—

"Q: He's always been for—

"A: Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

"Q: Well, every statement by you—

"A: And what were those statements, Helen?

"Q: —that you don't believe in nation-building.

"A: What were the statements that I made that would indicate that?

"Q: And the President's campaign.

"A: What statement in particular, if you're going to accuse the President of changing policy?

"Q: The President said he didn't—I can't give you word for word.

"A: Right. But here—I can.

"Q: But he said in the campaign that he did not believe in nation-building.

"A: Helen, I can give you word for word. And what the President said is that the purpose of the military should be to fight and win wars. The President has always believed in helping strengthen nations, and that's why the United States has been Afghanistan's largest supplier of food, health care, all the items of foreign aid that we provide to help build an infrastructure.

"Don't confuse that, which the President has always supported, with the use of the military as peacekeepers, the use of the military to do things other than fighting and winning wars. …

"Q: Then he equates nation-building with peacekeeping forces, right? That's what you're saying?

"A: I'm—what the President has said is that the military should be used to fight and win wars. The President does believe in helping nations to grow, to be successful. And you can call that nation-building if you want; the President has always been for that."...

Thank you, yet again...HELEN!!!!!

And on edit, here's the money quote, from the speech itself:

By helping to build an Afghanistan that is free from this evil and is a better place in which to live, we are working in the best traditions of George Marshall. (Applause.) Marshall knew that our military victory against enemies in World War II had to be followed by a moral victory that resulted in better lives for individual human beings.

After 1945, the United States of America was the only nation in the world strong enough to help rebuild a Europe and a Japan that had been decimated by World War II. Today, our former enemies are our friends. And Europe and Japan are strong partners in the rebuilding of Afghanistan.

This transformation is a powerful testimony to the success of Marshall's vision, and a beacon to light the path that we, too, must follow. ...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020417-1.html

[seabeyond]

22. i found a lot of cool things like this last night

one site was on bush flip flop just amazing. i found some good supporting dem sites that can be later used here on this board. tons of stuff on the net. thank you. this helps

[bryant69]

2. That would be a dynamite quote if you can find it

Which makes me think it might be someone else? I don't know if the PResident really said that it seems like we'd be replaying it pretty regularly (like the Mission Accomplished moment).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[seabeyond]

7. i know he did cause i didnt buy the weapon, invading, the only upside

was to walk in integrity to help the iraqi people and that was the one reason he said he WASNT doing it. so was in argument using that line way back when

[bryant69]

14. Yeah but you knowing he did isn't proof

I do remember a lot of conservative pundits making arguments along these lines - but the President himself saying it would be a coup.

[seabeyond]

17. ya, i knwo.... i need it. i know he said it doesnt fly, lol lol

i have been searching goggle a couple hours last night until too tired. hubby gave me a google search i am going to go back into and start looking, just thought maybe someone on the board would make it easy for me, lol.

back into google i go

i also have to find the dems immigration bill to counter the repugs. they did do one right? that is next. then, i am never talking about this shit on to repugs again. tooooo much work and once you find it they ignore it anyway. total waste of my time, i know

[CJCRANE]

3. His MO: Say One Thing, Do The Opposite..nt

[rock]

4. Two points

1) He didn't mean it literally;
2) He's a conservative (that means he's automatically a hypocrit).

[ComerPerro]

6. Everything Bush ever said in the 2000 debates was out of arrogance

and idiocy, and ultiately it revealed not only what a hypocrite and a liar he was, but also how disturbingly unprepared he was to be president...

[Semi_subversive]

8. Yup! And something about state's right and being a

compassionate conservative, too.

[seabeyond]

10. ya all that is funny and true. not talking campaign tho n/

[tyedyeto]

9. I found this:

Nation Building and the War in Iraq

During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"

The United States is currently involved in nation building in Iraq on a scale unseen since the years immediately following World War II.

During the 2000 election, Mr. Bush called for U.S. troops to be withdrawn from the NATO peacekeeping mission in the Balkans. His administration now cites such missions as an example of how America must "stay the course."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml

[seabeyond]

12. i can find the stuff on 2000 debate, not in smmer of 2002 or fall 2002

that is what i am looking for specifically. i know at the beginning promoting the war he said iraq wasnt about helping the people, it was about protecting america. that is what i am looking for. then later in his walk to war he started including helping the iraqi's

[tyedyeto]

13. How about this:

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A670_0_2_0_C/


Nation Building in Palestine
By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid | July 23, 2002 "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building." Listen to the radio version

In a story about President Bush's new plan for a Palestinian state, Bill Plante on the CBS Evening News said the president had proposed new leadership for the Palestinians, a new constitution, new financial and legal institutions, and a new security service. Plante called it a "top-to-bottom overhaul" of the Palestinian authority. The media refrained from calling it "nation-building," something that President Bush used to be against.

During the second of three presidential debates, Bush had criticized the Clinton administration's use of troops in "nation-building" missions. He referred to Haiti and Somalia, where Clinton tried to use U.S. troops to help restore order, and the missions failed. In Palestine, Bush has not committed to using U.S. troops - at least not yet. "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building," said Bush during the campaign. "We're not into nation-building," he said last September.

more

Still campaign 200 stuff.....

[tyedyeto]

19. Another find

http://www.theagitator.com/archives/026335.php

March 02, 2006
"We're Not Into Nation Building"
Yes, I know. Bush said that before September 11, and the world changed after September 11 .

But it turns out that the quote above from President Bush came after 9/11.

Justin Logan finds a stunner from the Wall Street Journal's Claudi Rosett, written just a couple of weeks after September 11. With apologies to Justin, I'm going to steal his entire blockquote:

In two brief lines at a press conference Tuesday, Mr. Bush summed up this policy: "We're not into nation building. We're focused on justice."

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[seabeyond]

21. "We're not into nation building. We're focused on justice."

this was exactly the type of wording. was in another speech that i am thinking, but he was consistantly talking this way for a while. thank you. gonna go into the link

[seabeyond]

20. ya... but was about that time. thanks. guess it isnt as easy

as i thought it might be. i jsut really remember his speech cause it was so opposite of how i saw things. and i was in a big ole fight on another board about the only upside ot going into iraq is to help the iraqis. that is if we were sincere and walked it in integrity, which we didnt and bush couldnt cause he was about greed ect....

[MADem]

11. Google gave me this....

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/02/once_against_nation_building_bush_now_involved/

During a debate with then-Vice President Al Gore on Oct. 11, 2000, in Winston-Salem, N.C., Bush said: "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. . . . I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have a kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not."

But as long as you are referencing brutal inconsistencies, don't forget this treasure:

“I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply. Use the capital that my administration will earn, with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, and convince them to open up the spigot.”

http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/More_George_W__Bush_Energy_+_Oil.htm

[Marr]

16. 9-11 Changed Everything ©

That's the stock answer for all such things. Much easier than thinking.

[stray cat]

18. Thats the problem, he broke Iraq w/o nation building

He sure hasn't done any worthwhile nation building in Iraq - thats one reason its such a mess. 60% unemploment and if you join the army or police your family gets targeted.