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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:30 AM
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Cut and Run? You Bet. - By Lt. Gen. William E. Odom
Cut and Run? You Bet.
By Lt. Gen. William E. Odom Page 1 of 1
May/June 2006

Why America must get out of Iraq now.

Withdraw immediately or stay the present course? That is the key question about the war in Iraq today. American public opinion is now decidedly against the war. From liberal New England, where citizens pass town-hall resolutions calling for withdrawal, to the conservative South and West, where more than half of “red state” citizens oppose the war, Americans want out. That sentiment is understandable.
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Two facts, however painful, must be recognized, or we will remain perilously confused in Iraq. First, invading Iraq was not in the interests of the United States. It was in the interests of Iran and al Qaeda. For Iran, it avenged a grudge against Saddam for his invasion of the country in 1980. For al Qaeda, it made it easier to kill Americans. Second, the war has paralyzed the United States in the world diplomatically and strategically. Although relations with Europe show signs of marginal improvement, the trans-Atlantic alliance still may not survive the war. Only with a rapid withdrawal from Iraq will Washington regain diplomatic and military mobility. Tied down like Gulliver in the sands of Mesopotamia, we simply cannot attract the diplomatic and military cooperation necessary to win the real battle against terror. Getting out of Iraq is the precondition for any improvement.

In fact, getting out now may be our only chance to set things right in Iraq. For starters, if we withdraw, European politicians would be more likely to cooperate with us in a strategy for stabilizing the greater Middle East. Following a withdrawal, all the countries bordering Iraq would likely respond favorably to an offer to help stabilize the situation. The most important of these would be Iran. It dislikes al Qaeda as much as we do. It wants regional stability as much as we do. It wants to produce more oil and gas and sell it. If its leaders really want nuclear weapons, we cannot stop them. But we can engage them.

None of these prospects is possible unless we stop moving deeper into the “big sandy” of Iraq. America must withdraw now.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3430&fpsrc=ealert060502

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:41 AM
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1. ...
:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
truth to power
IMPEACH BUSH AND SEND THEM ALL TO THE HAGUE
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:47 AM
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2. Sorry General, no can do.
Bush and the Republicans have a mid-term election coming up. They can't be cutting and running now, we'll have to keep turning corners...
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:17 AM
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10. Republicans cut corners, they don't turn them
If they didn't cut corners, we might have had enough troops in Iraq to prevent the insurgency.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:30 PM
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19. Redeploy to Kuwait and other staging areas that are protected
just as Reps Murtha and Thompson have proposed. If R's can't/won't do it, this means Dems will HAVE to be elected in November to do it.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:56 AM
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3. Thank you General Odom
Anyone who talks about ending the war is alright in my book... Bring the troops home now... Bring my Son home now.....
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:08 AM
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4. I agree with his every point.
Unlike the preznit, Gen. Odom displays an ability for deductive logic, not just 'gut' feelings and wishful thinking...
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:09 AM
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5. Why can't Dems demand that the U.S. cut and run? The only honorable
thing left to do. Imperialism sucks.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:09 AM
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6. He conspicuously avoided mentioning
invading Iraq was in the interests of Israel, which makes a hell of a lot more sense as a motive for a US operation than Iran or al Qaeda.

Now that generals are saying what I said in 2002/2003, I am wondering where all those people are today who I argued with about this back then. I wonder if they ever think of me, as I am probably the only who who said those things to them at that point. Probably not, but I feel vindicated. Being right is a sad recompense. I'd have given anything not to have gone in the first place.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:23 AM
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11. Benefitting Israel is definitely part of the neo-con lunacy
nm
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:11 AM
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7. Yes, the only ... least worst alternative. n/t
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:12 AM
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8. hey, Democrats... here's a theme for you:
Repeat it early and repeat it often:

First, invading Iraq was not in the interests of the United States. It was in the interests of Iran and al Qaeda.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:15 AM
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9. cut and Run?
so, any of you leftie brainiac's out there going to tell us how to cut and run and keep all that Iraq oil for the USA?

Get us the oil and you'll get my approval for cutting and running.

-85% Jimmy


:sarcasm:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:35 PM
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20. Conservation and Redeploying the troops.
It's just that simple. Conservation gets you the equivalent of that oil, which btw wouldn't have been available in 10 to 20 years anyway, which is why Sen McCain is behind staying the course.

Redeploying the troops makes life difficult for Iran, too.

Commonsense and pragmatism hurt neocon sensibilities and priorities. "Improvise, adapt, overcome..." where did I hear that before ?
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OxQQme Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:23 AM
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12. Amazing
"Tied down like Gulliver in the sands of Mesopotamia, we simply cannot attract the diplomatic and military cooperation necessary to win the real battle against terror. Getting out of Iraq is the precondition for any improvement."
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:24 AM
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13. But no one can cooperate with BushCo... they won't allow it.
General Odom says, "...if we withdraw, European politicians would be more likely to cooperate with us ..."

Well, they certainly might be more inclined to do so but the neocons won't have it. Not until they are banished from office and no longer have any substantial influence on foreign policy will there be any real cooperation with Europeans or anybody else for that matter.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:25 AM
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14. Great synopsis of arguments for getting out of Iraq
to counteract Bush Co's excuses.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:47 AM
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15. His bio
What a liberal .... West Point ... career military ...... Hudson Institute

William E. Odom

Senior Fellow
Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C. Headquarters
Areas of Expertise
? Military and strategic issues
? Intelligence issues
? Asian economic and security issues
? Russian, Eastern European, and Eurasian studies
? European politics and military issues

Biographical Highlights

Lieutenant General William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), is a Senior Fellow with Hudson Institute and a professor at Yale University. As Director of the National Security Agency from 1985 to 1988, he was responsible for the nation's signals intelligence and communications security. From 1981 to 1985, he served as Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Army's senior intelligence officer.

From 1977 to 1981, General Odom was Military Assistant to the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs, Zbigniew Brzezinski. As a member of the National Security Council staff, he worked upon strategic planning, Soviet affairs, nuclear weapons policy, telecommunications policy, and Persian Gulf security issues. He graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1954, and received a Ph.D. from Columbia University in 1970.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:50 AM
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16. chicken-little doesn't listen to retired Generals...
only active duty ones who are too afraid of reprisals to speak the truth.
Nice try anyway, Gen. Odom.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:10 PM
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17. Recommended - another courageous retired general
Edited on Tue May-02-06 12:12 PM by charles t
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:16 PM
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18. Neo-cons cut & ran when it came for them to serve in Vietnam..
they are the biggest chicken-hawks around. Always wanting to send others to do their fighting. Still amazed at how they got away with calling real vets like Kerry,McCain & others cowards when they didn't even serve at all. Guess that is what happends when you wrap yourself in the American flag.

Israel was a factor as well for getting us in Iraq, but I believe oil was the main motivator. GOP motto should be Oils Well, Alls Well! Isn't there some unreported scandal with an Israeli lobby group getting secrets from our gov't? Condi being accused of giving Israel secrets?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:35 PM
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21. So, if the people are now against the war in Iraq, does that mean they
Edited on Tue May-02-06 12:42 PM by higher class
are also against war in Iran (which has already started - we have people already inside the country and people are telling us about deployments that involve positioning for entry)?

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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:54 PM
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22. Why does Gen. Odom...
...hate America, and why doesn't he support the troops? :sarcasm:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 02:04 PM
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25. "Supporting the Troops"
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 02:48 PM
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26. That gives me a bumper sticker idea:
Pallbearers: The kind of support our troops would rather avoid
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 01:55 PM
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23. If there is bad timing for this, Republicans will do it then. /nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 01:59 PM
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24. Well, Custer didn't cut and run. He surrounded them Indians and...
Just like what the military geniuses are doing in Iraq.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 04:06 PM
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27. Cake Walk for Death Squads
Death squads kill Iraqi academics while the Americans look on

On 11 April 2003, the day the US Special Forces entered the city of Mosul in north Iraq; snipers
shot dead Dr. Khalid Faisal Hamid Al-Sheekho, assistant professor in physical education at the
University of Mosul. Since that date more 220 other university teachers from 17 universities have
been murdered. The last killing at the time of writing (20-4-2006) took place on Saturday 9 April
2006, when a gang of armed men gunned down Dr. Darb Muhammad Al-Mousawi, Director of the Ear, Nose
and Throat centre which forms part of the teaching hospital of the medical college of the
University of Baghdad. He was shot dead at the door of his clinic on Al-Maghreb Street in Al-
Azamiyyah District in north Baghdad. The assassinations are indiscriminate of specialization,
political affiliation, religion or gender. The only common denominator is that all the victims are
university educators. The attackers appear to be professional killers. They drive up to the
victim, shoot two bullets into his or her head and drive away without leaving a trace. The wave of
killings has forced over a thousand university teachers to flee the country in fear of their
lives. As a result of this, 156 university departments, representing nearly one fifth of the total
number, had to close down.

No one individual has been apprehended, no investigation has been launched and the atrocity
continues unnoticed. It is disregarded by the US forces, Paul Bremer's administration, the
Governing council and the two interim governments that followed Beremer’s departure. Journalists,
who are normally expected to probe into such cases, are too frightened, braving daily threats of
death from terrorists and of detention and harassment from the US forces. During the 27 months
between March 2003 and August 2005, sixty-seven local and foreign journalists were murdered in
Iraq. This is more than the total number who died during twenty years of wars in Vietnam between
1955 and 1975.

Our only reliable body count comes from the Union of University Teachers (UUT) which publishes on
its website (www.auliraq.org) regular lists giving names of slain academics, their positions and
places and dates of their deaths. Thanks to this work the genocide is beginning to attract
attention internationally. Early this year the Brussels Tribunal launched a campaign of solidarity
which has so far collected more than 8000 signatures. On 14 April, the Director General of UNESCO
issued an appeal calling upon the international community “to show solidarity with Iraqi academics
and intellectuals who are subjected to a heinous campaign of violence.” He also promised help in
the reconstruction of Iraq’s educational system and the development of its capacities.

Dr. Isam Kadhim A-Rawi, UUT president thinks what we are witnessing is a project to destroy the
country’s future carried out by death squads trained and financed by outside powers. This is
corroborated by a coroners report on the death of Sheikh Mohammed Fayyad al-Faidhi, member of the
Committee of Islamic scholars who was shot dead on 22 December 2004. The bullets fired at him were
of the kind that explodes inside the body, which is not available in Iraq. A report published in
the Sunday Times early this month accused Iranian agents of murdering scores of pilots and senior
army officers whom they accuse of having played active roles in the war against Iran. On April 18,
a French army officer interviewed on the French television sender TV 5 quoted the Israeli
newspaper Maariv reporting that Israel had sent 150 of its hit men on a mission to assassinate
Iraq’s senior scientists.

According to a report published by the director of the United Nations International Leadership
Institute in April 2005, some 84% of Iraq’s higher education institutes have been burnt, looted or
destroyed since the occupation. An estimated 30-40% of Iraq’s best-trained educators have fled,
leaving behind under-qualified teaching staff, poorly equipped libraries and laboratories and a
fast-growing student population.

It is the responsibility of the occupying powers to stop the silent genocide against Iraq’s
educators and thinkers. An independent, transparent investigation to apprehend the perpetrators
and planners of these crimes must be launched immediately and funds from Iraq’s reconstruction
budget must be allocated to repair the damage suffered by the higher education system under
occupation and compensate the families of slain scientists and academics. Also the occupation
armies must stop violating the sanctity of Iraq’s universities of the kind that happened in Al-
Anbar University when US forces stormed it on 3 April.

US general Tommy Frank is widely quoted as saying, “we don’t do body counts,” despite the fact
that the US, as an occupying power, have responsibilities under the Geneva Convention to protect
the civilians in occupied territories. Such cynicism must not be allowed to prevail, especially
where the victims are the builders of the country’s future.

Usam Ghaidan, R.I.B.A., Architect
Ghaidan at cs dot com
https://listhost.uchicago.edu/mailman/listinfo/iraqcrisis


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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 04:28 PM
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28. This is something I bring up as a matter of interest, in relation to
the rank of Lt. Gen. William E. Odom.

I suspect that, as in the British army, the order of seniority of generals is in reverse order to their prefix. In other words, Lt. Gen. would be the rank of the most senior general - just below that of "Field Marshall", I believe - while the rank of the most junior general - just above Brigadier - is that of Brigadier General; Major General being the intermediate rank. On the other hand, with characteristic perversity, the Queen is designated, Captain General! At least of the Royal Artillery.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 05:01 PM
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29. The Grand Oil Party is like that monkey..
with it's hand in the jar.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 06:01 PM
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30. Absolutely. (Like the "Grand Oil Party", too!).
In view of Abu Ghraib and the other "detention centres", if I say so myself, I was astonished at how prescient my likening the Neocons to the depraved mountain men in the film, Deliverance, had been.
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marla101 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 06:47 PM
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31. The House of cards must fall
Edited on Tue May-02-06 06:47 PM by marla101
like NOW before they hit Iran!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 07:07 PM
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32. Odom is a fine miltary man
and I salute his courage. I first became aware of Odom in the 80's when I served with a family member of his. Good group of people.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 08:27 PM
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33. I'm glad that somebody had the guts to say that cutting and running
is the best thing to do
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:44 AM
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34. This is a very powerful statement by Lieutenant General Odom. /nt
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