Will we be able to restore America without violence breaking out?

[Rocknrule]

I want to be optimistic, but I don't see what's going to prevent the American Nazi Party from stealing 2006 just like 2000 and 2004. Especially since they have too much at stake this time, they will do whatever it takes to win, even if it means gunning down registered Dems at the polls. I hope to God we can restore pre-Bush America without bloodshed, but do you realistically think there is any way to break the iron fist that the GOP rules America with, short of physically dragging them out of the White House?

[slackmaster]

1. All we really have to do is win an election

With a tamper-proof margin.

[HereSince1628]

8. Assuming tampering takes place, there may not be such a margin

in terms of vote counting. In two national elections they have pushed the idea that the exit polls get it wrong.

However, I suspect your are right in that an overwhelming vote by opponents of the Tory-publicans would be self-evident and it would probably result in street demonstrations similar to those we have seen in various post-Soviet satellites.

[pocket]

2. No.

Not when they own the polls. They will not reliquish them peacefully.

[Karenina]

5. *Those who have stolen America

will NOT relinquish it without a battle. Elections don't mean shit in a "$$$one-party$$$" gubmint.

[BOSSHOG]

3. My optimism stems from the knowledge

that "conservatives" will run and hide and surrender if they thought they were going to get their asses kicked. I'm all for a civil war. They hate the constitution. They have no concept of constitutional liberty. They do not deserve constitutional liberty. If they want to shed their blood to fuck with my constitution so be it, but I sincerely believe that if push comes to shove, they will cower away.

[bdamomma]

7. this regime does not mind spilling other peoples blood

would any of us really want these thugs to take us all down, this can be controlled, the weather can't but these thugs can be. There are more of us than them.

[atreides1]

20. As long as it's their people

They don't expect us to fight back, they have their base so convinced that we on the left possess neither the courage or the will to fight. We will show them the error of that way of thinking, we will resist, we will fight, we will not retreat, and we will win.

[bdamomma]

26. I just can't stand the utter disrespect of these thugs towards

the American people, isn't that enough to pin these guys to the walls, or are we waiting for someone or somebody to step in, the ball is in our court, and if this maniac gets ideas to nuke Iran get ready to face the consequences of this idiot. :grr:

[MadMaddie]

9. What BOSSHOG said!! They may think they want a civil war

but they are underestimating their opposition....I too think if push comes to shove they will run with their tails between their legs.....

Revolution, Civil War whatever it takes to cut this cancerous cell out of America!!

[BOSSHOG]

10. Don't you mean MISunderestimating us Maddie?

Just to prove the point; who would you rather follow into a war zone, John Kerry or george bush??

[MadMaddie]

14. Oh BOSSHOG....indeed misunderestimating us....is more

accurate isn't it?

And you know who I would follow into a war zone any day of the year!! The guy that was actually elected President...John Kerry!!

[BOSSHOG]

15. Yeah, the guy who actually served in the military

The guy who knows military action is the last resort. The guy who realizes if you lie you have to spend a lot of time remembering things. And yeah, the guy who actually was elected. It really must suck to high heaven being a "conservative."

[sojourner]

12. i believe you are correct about that...bullies (and these people are) are

usually the first to cower when called on their shit.

[BOSSHOG]

13. In their mind I am calling them French

I love Irony!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

25. I never looked at it that way, Boss.

Thanks for that insight.

[bdamomma]

4. I would just like to see them hauled out of WH

then you would definitely see bush blow. What a coward he is, he doesn't go to Crawford that often because of being heckled by protestors.

[Dhalgren]

6. No, I believe violence is inevitable. The country is in the grips

of a fanatical 30% of the population. 30% is a huge number of people and it is a group that has and will resort to bloodshed without qualm. Many Republicans would accept (maybe even privately hope for) losing in the fall elections. Bush's Backwash Bastards won't. I think there will be violence, and a lot of it...

[Frustratedlady]

11. I Have Decided I WILL Guarantee My Vote is Counted.

I am going to request an absentee ballot, photograph it before I mail it, and send it via certified mail with a signed receipt (even though the post office is only a couple blocks from the courthouse). Do I have all my bases covered?

I'm not afraid my vote won't be counted in my town or by my people, but I decided to do it anyway, as I'm sure the RNC will be even ornerier this time around and it will send a message to the board.

Those declining polls have to have the RNC scared enough that they will pull anything. They can "lose" my ballot, but I will have proof it should be present and accounted for.

[enid602]

16. trillions

I don't so much worry about violence, but I do dread the thought of us and future generations having to repay the trillions being misspent and embezzled.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

17. Yes

because we will take this election by a landslide and no amount of cheating will save it.

[Rocknrule]

18. Don't tempt fate

Remember in 2004 we thought Kerry would win in a landslide

[TallahasseeGrannie]

19. Well...actually

I never thought he'd win. I believed the Swiftboaters would take him down in the end.

[quickesst]

22. I don't believe...

they will give up no matter what. As for the insane 33%, they actually are. I recently discontinued participation in one of my truck club political forums when the debate started injecting statements concerning, "the thinning of the herd". I got it extra tough. My oldest brother is one of them. Brother against brother. Scary. Thanks.
quickesst

[mopinko]

21. last chance right here-

impeachment resolutions now pending in illinois, california and vermont under jefferson's rule 603. this is the last avenue for peaceful restoration of our democracy, imho. 10 minutes after that succeeds, we need to go out into the streets and take out those voting machines with our baseball bats. if this is government by the people, i will eat my big fat hat.

[gratuitous]

23. If violence breaks out . . .

I know which side will throw the first punch.

And it won't be the side that throws that last punch.

[Cassius23]

24. I think the only way there will be violence...

is if people are somehow deprived of distraction or if they are put in a position where they are unable to continue in their current cycle.

This sounds unlikely but is actually easier to imagine than one might think.

First I will forward my supposition which is as follows.

People tend toward following the status quo, no matter how tragic, unless they are incapable of doing so.

I think the current approval rate represents those who have the following lifestyle.

Get up, go to work, come home, watch TV, sleep, repeat.

Now there are variations, children and so forth, but their lives basically follow that template.

Of the 70% or so that aren't pleased with Bush about 10% or so are for moral reasons, while the other 60%, I think, are because the above cycle has become disrupted in some way. Maybe they can't afford cable TV or don't have a job or something like that.

I think that if 60% or more of people have more of a disruption in their lives and/or those disruptions get worse we will have violence.

Cassius23

[bdamomma]

27. yes, something will be done, when it personally affects us all

then and only then, we will retailiate. This is our country.