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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:26 PM
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Yes, I could have been aborted. I wasn't.
Edited on Tue May-02-06 09:27 PM by jsamuel
Should I be happy about that. Yeah, I am happy to exist. It feels nice. Except when I stub my toe, that sucks. But really, would the world have fallen apart if I never existed? How much pain could it possibly have caused for me not to exist? Don't get me wrong, I love living and am happy to be here, but would I be upset enough to want my mother killed or jailed because she aborted me?

People say, "thank your mom for not aborting you." With all due respect to my mother, I thank God for my existence. If my mother had chosen otherwise, I am confident (in my own beliefs) that would only happen if God allows us free will, and he does. So, God is part of that decision, it isn't just my mother's. And if I could communicate with God before being born, maybe I would have a say in it. Maybe I would say, you know, she won't be able to take care of me... or it would cause more harm than good in this case. Who knows...

Anyway, the point being do we have the right to imprison or kill an aborted child's mother without knowing how they feel about it? From what I know of children and mothers, the last thing a child would want is to have their mother killed or put in a place like jail or even dieing in a hotel during a failed abortion.

I think this turned into a rant, oh well... :rant:
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:30 PM
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1. How do you know you didn't exist before you were born?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:32 PM
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2. I meant "exist" in the worldly form
not in the supernatural form
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:45 PM
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4. That was my first thought
How do I know whether, if I had been aborted that I couldn't have been born as another human being? Or an Ibex in Africa? Or a Kangaroo Rat in Tasmania? Or a bacterium in the gut of Frank Sinatra?

What the hell is the nature of life and metaphysics? Do souls only exist in this latest branch of anthropoids? When did souls get their start?

And I wonder what my next adventure will be.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:32 PM
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3. My mother tried...
but didn't (obviously) succeed.

A divorced woman in 1960 with 2 young kids gets knocked up -- I don't blame her in the least for what she did.

Even with my history, I remain 100% pro-choice, which surprises people who know my story. My choice, based on my experience? I have never had an abortion and never would.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:51 PM
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5. i'm happy to be here tonight, -i'd like to thank my father for coming...
nt
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:54 PM
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6. While on the other hand, I was
Edited on Tue May-02-06 09:57 PM by hyphenate
adopted. Back in an era when abortions were not only illegal, but dangerous. Back in an era when getting pregnant, especially, an unmarried woman, was scandalous and humiliating.

I was adopted within the same family--my biological mother gave me to her brother to raise me, which he and his wife did, from the age of 9 days old.

My bio mother would likely qualify as a slut--she had 7 kids out of wedlock and all were given up for adoption through the years. My grandmother once said if she had to ship her out of town one-more-time to keep the scandal down, she wasn't sure if she could--or would--do it.

I was raised believing my bio mother was my aunt. I spent time with her through those formative years believing this, always assuming she was a "favored" aunt. It slipped out one night as I lay in bed, around 2 in the morning, when my parents came home from a function (and were at least 3 sheets to the wind) and were arguing and the conversation was about me. It didn't click at first, but it eventually came out. I was 11 years old. I spent those teenaged years in a different kind of angst than most--I had a secret that I kept for 7 years, until one night when I was finally told I was adopted. I'd known, and had often over those years wondered what it would have been like to know my father.

But to get back to the point: if I were gotten rid off, how would I have known any difference? I would never have existed at all. You can't construct a straw man argument with people about abortion versus adoption, because there is no comparison. In one, there is a conscious existence, in the other, there is nothing--at all.

I've heard that argument in different times of my life, and it never creates any guilt or a sense of regret, because there is nothing to argue about. One results in a living person, the other results in nothing worth arguing about.

I believe in the right for a woman to choose because if laws are dictated by men about a woman and her body, we remain second class citizens, regardless of what meager offerings amendments have purportedly given us. Asshole Reagan failed to give women equal status, and for that alone, he was among the worst asshole presidents in our country. Women must hold equal status, and control over ourselves is one of the first steps we must take, in order to escape secondary status. Another step backwards and we would be left without any protection at all, and countries like those in the middle east would look positively progressive in comparison.

I was raised in a loving home, I admit, but there are times when living is such a burden that it's quite oppressive. I will never know what traits and features I got from the paternal side of the family; hereditary illnesses and diseases are anyone's guess; and as I found a long time ago, it's difficult enough even determining things like what time I was born, in what city, in what state. Having heart disease early in life was a "gift" from my biological mother, as well as other things that haven't worked out very well, either.

Those on the right would judge every woman who made a choice about their own futures. These hypocrites would choose to be busy-bodies, telling the world about the faults of others, yet never owning up to their own faults. If a person can't keep their privacy away from such nutcases, then what the fuck good is living anyhow? Our nation is already massively screwed up on a psychological level, and these assholes on the right just keep adding straws to the camel's back.

There are far too many willing to pass judgement and declare their own beliefs the best of the bunch, the only rules to be followed. Isn't it sad that our country was founded on the boast that the United States was a "melting pot" of all the rest of the world's people, and to see such intolerance, such hatred of any and all that are different? They have trashed the founding father's most beloved wishes and turned us into the police state that the pilgrims were fleeing from in Europe. If we must pass judgement on women who want to tend to their own bodies and the actions thereof, how can we remain the nation that strove to accept and tolerate the world of differences, as a place where even those left out in other societies could come to for comfort?

Europe has progressed beyond such puritanical observances, but yet every day the RRR can claim an ear in Washington, we digress to that foreign place--that blaring contempt, that intolerance of 400+ years ago, that was desperately fled in hopes of something better. It is here, it is now, and unless we can suppress it, we will need ourselves to flee, perhaps even back across the ocean to the Europe that has now become far wiser than we.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:34 AM
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17. I could take you to the very place within a few inches of where I was born
The house is long gone as is my parents. 13 kids all born at home.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 09:57 PM
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7. My Parents Could Have Watched "The Tonight Show" But They Didn't
I was born in 1964. If that pregnancy had been ill-timed or unwanted, I would not have been born in 1964.

I was born to parents who planned and wanted that pregnancy very, very much. That pregnancy was a choice. All pregnancies and births should be of choice, not force.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:02 PM
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8. I just find it hard to worry about something that didnt happen
I mean, I also could have been born in Canada or any number of other things that didn't happen.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:05 PM
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9. 1968. Rural Missouri. Depressed financially family. No"father"...
I SHOULD have been aborted. We're talking dirt poor. Sure some money was floating around due to her job as a typist, not a "Good" one mind you, that I wasn't a economic killer. But seriously with the circumstances I look back and only feel lucky that I wasn't zapped in the womb.

Sure things have turned out "ok" but my mother with her situation should have had the opportunity to zap my "undeveloped as a fully functional human-being" ass-period. If not fine...Well great that she went through with my birth but the choice should always be there.

Period.



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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 10:11 PM
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10. My zygote could have failed to attach to my mother's uterine wall
Or my dad could have used a condom that day and sent all his "sacred sperm" into the toilet.

My mother could have taken the pill. (Oh, wait; I think she did. I was a sneaky little monkey. :D )

Polypeptides could have failed to form from amino acids in the primordial soup.

Bottom line: my uterine lining and any tissue that happens to attach to it is in my body and belongs to me.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:00 PM
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11. My best friend was an "angel baby"
She told me this when I was five years old. She said the angels planned her, her parents did not. I ran home and asked my mother if I was planned. She told me yes, that she and my father wanted very much to have me. I cried off and on for weeks because the angels didn't plan me. She never realized how devastated that news was to me. I wanted so much to be an "angel baby."

True story from my early childhood perspective. My mother fought for women's right to choose and didn't live to see abortion legalized. She was a nurse who patched up the alley abortions, when the women lived and who signed off on the D&C's for the women with money - in the Bible belt of East Texas.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:06 PM
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12. Just wanted to thank everyone for their stories!
Nothing really to say in a reply other than thank you for telling :hi:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:23 PM
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13. My mother's dr. suggested she abort me.
My mother was an unwed mother in 1968. The dr. offered to book her a trip to Japan to "take care of the problem".

My mother was always anti abortion....wouldn't even think of it. She was highly offended by the suggestion.

But I appreciate the dr. out there who offered her the option. Even though it would have meant my "life", I think he was seriously concerned for her and wanted to give her every option.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 11:34 PM
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14. Hey - I was a severe premee - I could've bought it in the first few days.
Edited on Tue May-02-06 11:36 PM by TankLV
I could get hit by a car tomorrow or in the next hour even tho I'm in my living room.

Or I could have been born to REPUKES - ugh!

It's a woman's body, it's her choice, her life comes first.

Period.

Too fucking bad if some don't agree.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:14 AM
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15. Legally, I could not have been aborted
My birth nearly killed my mother. I wish she had a choice.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:25 AM
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16. You do not have a right to exist
That decision rests solely with your mother until the time you take your first breath. Until then you are a parasitic clump of cells slowly killing your mother.
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