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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:17 AM
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White Guilt and the Western Past (might makes right; also a rebuttal)
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Lunacy!

White Guilt and the Western Past

Why is America so delicate with the enemy?

BY SHELBY STEELE
Tuesday, May 2, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

There is something rather odd in the way America has come to fight its wars since World War II.

For one thing, it is now unimaginable that we would use anything approaching the full measure of our military power (the nuclear option aside) in the wars we fight. And this seems only reasonable given the relative weakness of our Third World enemies in Vietnam and in the Middle East. But the fact is that we lost in Vietnam, and today, despite our vast power, we are only slogging along--if admirably--in Iraq against a hit-and-run insurgency that cannot stop us even as we seem unable to stop it. Yet no one--including, very likely, the insurgents themselves--believes that America lacks the raw power to defeat this insurgency if it wants to. So clearly it is America that determines the scale of this war. It is America, in fact, that fights so as to make a little room for an insurgency.

Certainly since Vietnam, America has increasingly practiced a policy of minimalism and restraint in war. And now this unacknowledged policy, which always makes a space for the enemy, has us in another long and rather passionless war against a weak enemy.

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The collapse of white supremacy--and the resulting white guilt--introduced a new mechanism of power into the world: stigmatization with the evil of the Western past. And this stigmatization is power because it affects the terms of legitimacy for Western nations and for their actions in the world. In Iraq, America is fighting as much for the legitimacy of its war effort as for victory in war. In fact, legitimacy may be the more important goal. If a military victory makes us look like an imperialist nation bent on occupying and raping the resources of a poor brown nation, then victory would mean less because it would have no legitimacy. Europe would scorn. Conversely, if America suffered a military loss in Iraq but in so doing dispelled the imperialist stigma, the loss would be seen as a necessary sacrifice made to restore our nation's legitimacy. Europe's halls of internationalism would suddenly open to us.

Because dissociation from the racist and imperialist stigma is so tied to legitimacy in this age of white guilt, America's act of going to war can have legitimacy only if it seems to be an act of social work--something that uplifts and transforms the poor brown nation (thus dissociating us from the white exploitations of old). So our war effort in Iraq is shrouded in a new language of social work in which democracy is cast as an instrument of social transformation bringing new institutions, new relations between men and women, new ideas of individual autonomy, new and more open forms of education, new ways of overcoming poverty--war as the Great Society.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008318



Rebuttal!

Tuesday, May 02, 2006

Time to stop feeling guilty and start really bombing

(updated below)

The Wall St. Journal's Opinion Journal today published an Op-Ed by Shelby Steele that advances one of the most truly incoherent and just plain inane arguments I have read in a long time. And in response, many pro-war Bush defenders are drooling with reverence and praise, and for some reason, are viewing Steele's piece as some sort of license to unleash some of the truly ugly impulses which they usually have the decency, or at least political sense, to hide.

The crux of Steele's argument is that ever since World War II, the United States just doesn't fight wars the way we used to, and ought to. We don't use enough force because we suffer from excess restraint. And the reason we are too restrained is because we are laboring under an unwarranted sense of "white guilt," whereby we are too eager and desperate to escape from our distant racist past and prove that we aren't trying to subjugate the "brown people" anymore. As a result, when we fight wars against countries predominantly composed of other races, we are too nice and don't use enough military force, and as a result, we don't win anymore. If you think I'm unfairly summarizing Steele's argument, just marvel at these excerpts:

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In other words, the reason we failed to win in Korea, lost in Vietnam, and are bogged down in Iraq is because we are too afraid to do the right thing -- use all-out military force against our Enemies. We are too timid in our wars because we are afraid of people accusing of us of being racist, of inflaming our white guilt, of provoking criticism from Europeans. So instead, we leave the kid gloves on and don't use our full military might the way we should.

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To sit and listen to people who have spent the last three years piously lecturing us on the need to stand with "the Iraqi people," who justified our invasion of that country on the ground that we want to give them a better system of government because we must make Muslims like us more, now insist that what we need to do is bomb them with greater force and less precision is really rather vile -- but highly instructive. The masks are coming off. No more poetic tributes to democracy or all that sentimental whining about "hearts and minds." It's time to shed our unwarranted white guilt, really stretch our legs and let our hair down, and just keep bombing and bombing until we kill enough of them and win. Shelby Steele deserves some sort of award for triggering that refreshingly honest outburst.

We are not there to conquer territory or drive the Iraqi government into forced surrender and submission. The Iraqi government isn't our enemy. Although it may be helpful to achieve one's objectives in a traditional war, large-scale destruction would achieve the very opposite effect of what we are supposedly trying to accomplish. The only choice we have is highly precise and targeted warfare against actual terrorists and insurgents. Any attacks that are more sweeping, destructive and indiscriminate will kill large numbers of innocent Iraqis -- the very people we claim we are there to help -- and will breed even more intense and widespread hatred towards the U.S. in the region, which would be the precise opposite of the goal we say we are trying to accomplish.

Escalating the use of military force in Iraq by indiscriminately killing civilians and eradicating whole cities would contradict every single statement we have made about why we are there, what we want to achieve, and what our plan is in that region. We're not refraining from those acts because of white guilt or a fear of what European diplomats will say about us. We're refraining from them because the wholesale indiscriminate slaughter of thousands or tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis -- all because we have grown impatient and annoyed with our pet little democracy-building project and just want to bomb the whole place into submission -- would be both morally reprehensible and, from the perspective of our own interests, an indescribably stupid thing to do.

more...

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/time-to-stop-feeling-guilty-and-start.html#links
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 07:22 AM
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1. Wow...just wow...
Just when you start having hope for your fellow human being... They write garbage like this. "the poor brown nation"??? :puke:

Just when did the poor brown nation ask for us to come rolling in again?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:36 AM
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5. It goes back to elementary school....seriously. Some people never
outgrow having a need to "better" than everyone else. The obsessive need to win and escape losing at all costs is becoming pretty epidemic in our country.

For whatever reason some have to think they are somehow superior, which is a pretty fear based place to come from, not to mention remaining there.

It's as if some are incapable of understanding that we all have strengths and capabilities. And that that our differences are our strengths.

It is a hierarchy way of thinking versus viewing diversity on a plane or spectrum. It's also a more primative form of reason and less evolved than other forms of thinking, although how ironic, that these same people like to somehow rationalize they are superior to others.

What is interesting is some of these individuals who just happen to have white skin, have often rarely won or done anything fairly in their lives.

Like the voting machines, they cheat and swindle their way through life and somehow justify to themselves that is winning. No. It's cheating.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 08:39 AM
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2. What will the MSM do next to promote war? n/t
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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 08:48 AM
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3. there really can't be ANYBODY
who believes Bush is holding back because of "White guilt", can there?

but I guess nothing surprises me any more....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:13 AM
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4. Ignore the writer and maybe he'll go away, but William Buckley likes him
Edited on Wed May-03-06 09:14 AM by ProSense

Race Relations Scholar Shelby Steele to Receive 2006 Bradley Prize for Outstanding Achievement; 3rd of 4 Prize Recipients Announced

4/11/2006 10:29:00 AM
To: National Desk

Contact: Kevin McVicker of Shirley & Banister Public Affairs, 703-739-5920 or 800-536-5920

MILWAUKEE, April 11 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation announced today that one of the four 2006 Bradley Prizes to honor outstanding achievement will be awarded to Shelby Steele of the Hoover Institution.

As a Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Dr. Steele specializes in race relations, American social culture, and identity politics. He has written extensively for major publications and has had a profound influence on mainstream attitudes about the roles of education, families, and character in overcoming the legacy of slavery and segregation. Dr. Steele received the National Book Critic's Circle Award for his book The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America. His most recent books are A Dream Deferred: The Second Betrayal of Black Freedom in America and White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era. In 1991, Dr. Steele earned an Emmy Award, a Writer's Guild Award, and the San Francisco Film Festival Award for his work on the PBS documentary Seven Days in Bensonhurst. In 1994, he was awarded the National Humanities Medal.

"The Bradley Foundation is honoring Dr. Steele for his contributions to the study of race in America and his undying devotion to equality for all," said Michael W. Grebe, president and chief executive officer of the Bradley Foundation. "He has a distinguished body of work that has led to understanding of racial equality in America."

Along with three other recipients, Dr. Steele will be presented the awards during a ceremony to be held at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, May 25. Each award carries a stipend of $250,000.

The selection was based on nominations solicited from more than 100 prominent individuals. The winners were ultimately chosen by a selection committee that included Thomas L. "Dusty" Rhodes, Michael W. Grebe, William F. Buckley, George F. Will, Charles Krauthammer, Terry Considine, Reed Coleman and Dianne Sehler.

"Through the Bradley Prizes, we recognize individuals who have made outstanding contributions and we hope to encourage others to strive for excellence in their respective fields," said Grebe.

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Founded in 1985, The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation is devoted to strengthening American democratic capitalism and the institutions, principles and values that sustain and nurture it. Its programs support limited, competent government; a dynamic marketplace for economic, cultural activity; and a vigorous defense, at home and abroad, of American ideas and institutions. Recognizing that responsible self-government depends on enlightened citizens and informed public opinion, the Foundation supports scholarly studies and academic achievement.

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http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63865



These people are completely delusional!
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