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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:21 AM
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Venezuela: A Sudden Plunge In Oil Production?
Is Venezuela's oil production rapidly waning? One source reports that the world's fifth largest oil producer is showing signs of a rapid decrease in production, one of the key tenets of the peak oil theory.

Venezuela is buying oil from Russia in order to avoid defaulting on deliveries to clients. The situation raises serious questions about the country's oil production and the future of PDVSA as a major oil producer, and increases the risk to the U.S. oil supply should the country's oil production suddenly plummet.

According to the Financial Times: "Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, has struck a $2bn deal to buy about 100,000 barrels a day of crude oil from Russia until the end of the year. Venezuela has been forced to turn to an outside source to avoid defaulting on contracts with "clients" and "third parties" as it faces a shortfall in production, according to a person familiar with the deal. Venezuela could incur penalties if it fails to meet its supply contracts."

The news has so far been very much inside baseball, as it has not made the mainstream, due to competition from more sensational stories such as the illegal alien marches, and the media's obsession with oil company profits.

But, as these things go, we may be on the verge of a major developing story.

Are There More Irregularities Hidden Inside PDVSA?

PDVSA is a center of financial and political intrigue, as it is the hub of Mr. Chavez' political ambitions. The Venezuelan government uses the proceeds from oil sales to finance Chavez' Bolivarian revolution, in essence the spread of the hybrid Socialism espoused by Chavez and Fidel Castro.

Yet, despite the secrecy, over the last few years numerous questions have been raised, not just about PDVSA's actual oil reserves and production capacity, but also about PDVSA's finances.

In 2005, we wrote about "Venezuela's oil receipts," and the significant questions being raised, including a "shortfall in PDVSA cash deposits to Venezuela's central bank" of "perhaps by as much as $2 billion."

The trail of that story grew cold, but the questions did not. In fact, little has changed. In 2005, we reported that the alleged shortfall was "not totally verifiable, since PDVSA has not filed papers with the SEC in at least two years."

Indeed, no one really knows what PDVSA's books really hold. As we reported recently, Venezuela is no longer going to report PDVSA's finances to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

The Times article confirms several points we made in May 2005 in our Marketwatch.com article, titled "Running on empty."

In the article we noted: <"Stratfor.com estimates that since Chavez became president, starting in 1998, "PDVSA has lost about 1.5 million bpd of its net crude oil production." The main reasons have been the replacement of capable engineers and workers who disagreed with Chavez's revolutionary views, with inexperienced, and in many cases incapable replacements, and the lack of attention to infrastructure maintenance and improvement. The result of the bad management and neglect, has been the steady erosion and near incapacitation of a major oil-producing region of Venezuela, the Western portion of the country, where as many as 10,000 wells have been estimated to have been rendered mostly useless. Venezuela is nominally the world's fifth largest oil producer.">

One year later, the Times reports: "The move suggests a growing gap between Venezuela's declining domestic output and its expanding contractual obligations to international customers."

According to the Times quoting "Under President Hugo Chávez, PDVSA's oil output has declined by about 60 per cent, a trend analysts say has accelerated in the past year because of poor technical management."

In our article Marketwatch article we suggested that Venezuela had a "potential inability to meet delivery of its oil contracts." Now, the Financial Times notes that "Mr Chávez's push to extend his influence throughout Latin America and the Caribbean with promises of cheap oil for friends and allies may be overstretching PDVSA's finances."

In that article we asked: "If Chavez' own oil production is only 50% of what it is supposed to be, where is all the money going to come from to pay for all his revolutionary adventures?"

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=31765
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:24 AM
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1. That's a lot of ifs.
And there's a lot of people who want/need Chavez to fail and would benefit from the planting of an incorrect article in the Financial Times.

Of course I don't have any good explanation for this myself, but I've no intention of blindly buying in to panic news.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:33 AM
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5. Hear Hear! you took the words right out of my keyboard
...."there's a lot of people who want/need Chavez to fail and would benefit from the planting of an incorrect article in the Financial Times."
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:25 AM
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2. The oil company workers are not happy with Chavez
It may be that they are dragging their feet on re-working wells, drilling new wells and ordinary maintenance of wells to create problems for their nemesis.

Or they may have hit a decline curve....
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:28 AM
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3. Under President Hugo Chávez, PDVSA's oil output has declined by about 60%
My guess is Chavez is cutting production to raise global oil prices.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:35 AM
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6. Yeah, thats the ticket, lets blame Chavez.
Of course bush couldn't be responsible.

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:11 AM
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11. What would the motivation be to do that?
I don't understand....
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:25 AM
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16. To raise prices. n/t
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:06 AM
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24. To raise prices for whom?
???
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:55 AM
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30. For people buying barrels of oil?
Edited on Thu May-04-06 07:56 AM by LoZoccolo
Right?

This is a trick question though, because the people selling it get more money as well, so it raises prices for them too!
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:31 AM
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4. All over the news for the past two days is that Venezuela has
vast resources of oil. One of the top producers in OPEC
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:49 AM
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8. Everyone in opec deliberately inflates their reserves.
As their quota is based on their reserves.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:38 AM
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7. ?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:56 AM
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9. Disinformation and lies...
unnamed sources, etc.

here's some facts and numbers to cheew on:
http://oilwars.blogspot.com/2006/04/venezuelan-oil-numbers-confirmed.html
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:11 AM
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12. good post on this bullshit
he does have problems but those are not his real problems. his problems are the united states oil companies that do not want to pay his fees. the whitehouse who has decided to demonize a country and it`s leader that has more oil than saudi arabia. but then again i don`t think chavez wants bush to kiss him and hold his hand.

those oil tar/sands in canada--don`t bet the farm on those ever making money or even producing
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:31 AM
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17. Hey, don't let fact get in the way of good propaganda!
"However, it has been a recurring piece of opposition agiprop to say that PDVSA never recovered, that oil production is way down, and that Venezuela is therefore losing tens of billions of dollars due to the incompetence of the current PDVSA management. One reads this not only in opposition blogs, websites, and media but it has also made its way into the international media where agencies such as Bloomberg, AP, and others will often say that Venezuela is only producing 2.5 or 2.6 million barrels of oil per day versus the over 3 million barrels that the government has said it is producing.

Last fall, PDVSA released its audited financial statement for 2003 (filed with the U.S. SEC) which showed that Venezuela was indeed producing over 3 million barrels. Unfortunately, even compelling evidence such as this didn't change the propaganda coming from the opposition. Quite frankly, that they don't accept the audited numbers on production filed with the U.S. SEC, which no one in their right mind lies to, shows just how irrational they are. Be that as it may, even large segments of the international media kept on repeating the false opposition numbers on oil production."
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:32 AM
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18. Yeah, a pro-Chavez blog knows better, right?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:01 AM
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20. What part of "audited by the U.S SEC" is pro-Chavez?...
just askin, corporate_microphone.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:01 AM
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21. They back up what they say
Unlike your totally unbiased source.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:37 AM
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26. No, the anti Chavez global corporate establisment knows better
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 09:59 AM
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10. last year his production dropped from
2640 bopd to 2540 bopd. maybe the engineers that left were given jobs with the major oil companies they worked for and the other workers who knows for sure why they quit and if they were offered better jobs. what happened to chavez was bad timing because now there is a critical shortage of engineers and field workers across the world because of the rapid expansion of drilling and production. also some producing countries are upgrading their production and distrobution systems thus creating more shortages in labor and materials. the oil is there and it`s not going away anytime soon.he`ll live on what he has and when the expansion is over in a few years there will be engineers and others that will gladly work for him.

big oil does not like chavez because he won`t let them suck his country dry and they will use anything in their power to destroy him.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:13 AM
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13. another chavez bashing from corporate mike
surprise surprise surprise :eyes:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:15 AM
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14. corporate mike doing what he does worst
more propaganda about Venezuela and Chavez. Boy you are transparent.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:22 AM
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15. Wasn't there a story just a couple of weeks ago about large
quantities of oil being discovered in Venezuela? I seem to recall how Venezuela just announced huge recent discoveries of new oil reserves. :shrug: Feast or Famine it would appear...
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:37 AM
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19. why is Chavez cutting production ?
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:50 AM
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22. Ethanol really a ticket to nowhere
Using a bunch of fuel to produce fuel is not a solution to our problem.
I'd remind c-mike that before the BFEE took over our gov't. there was a LOT of oil on the market that was pumped out of IRAQ.
No longer the case.
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:10 PM
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23. tell that to the Brazilians
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:38 AM
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28. Cutting production of sweet, increasing production of heavy
Not cutting over all production.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:36 AM
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25. No -
http://oilwars.blogspot.com/2006/04/venezuelan-oil-numbers-confirmed.html

...

"Last fall, PDVSA released its audited financial statement for 2003 (filed with the U.S. SEC) which showed that Venezuela was indeed producing over 3 million barrels."

"Undeterred by this fact that opposition continued with their lies. They would claim that the 600,000 in heavy oils were already counted in the numbers given by the international agencies and that Venezuelan production was indeed 2.6 million."

...

"Further, they claimed they reports by the IEA and OPEC didn't indicate that the heavy oil wasn't included (as if the bolded words "Crude Oil" at the top weren't clue enough) and so they claimed those numbers were the total amount of oil produced in Venezuela."

...

In their "Oil Market Report" of March 14, 2006 they have a whole section on this topic where they indicate that they had NOT been counting the 600,000 in heavy crudes in their numbers and will now be counting them.

...



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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:38 AM
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27. Utter nonsense
Venezuelas output last month dropped slightly, but that was solely due to the temporary closure of the Cerro Negro facility for overdue maintenance. The maintenance was originally scheduled for January. Even then, oil ouptut only fell 40,000 bpd, and is expected to return at least to prior levels in May. Overall oil proction in Venezuela has been on the increase after the initial drop caused by large scale layoffs following an extended oil workers strike in 2004. Chavez moved at that time to give Venezuela more control over it's oil industry, rather than leave it in the hands of foreign corporations and oil production is approaching it's former levels.

Furthermore that noise about buying oil from Russia is misleading. It is only a rumor at this point and in any case the move has been expected for quite some time by oil market watchers. The reason they are doing it is that the oil being purchased is for refineries IN EUROPE, especially Germany, and it is more cost effective to buy from the Russians then to ship it from Venezuela. This is a very common practice in the industry and you ought to know that Mike.

But keep trying mate. I am heartened to see that there exists still on this planet someone who can tilt at windmills the way you do. It gives me hope.

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:50 AM
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29. Didn't I just read that Venezuela is retiring 75% of its debt?
Doesn't seem the Venezuelan leadership is too shabby in the economics department.



I agree with the poster who said that's a lotta "ifs"
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