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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:53 PM
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Scientists Discover (Biggest Ever) Oil field off U.S. coast
Scientists from the University of Cornell have discovered a massive amount of Oil off the coast of Louisiana. The find is some 60 billion barrels or 3 Times more than current US recoverable Oil of 20 Billion barrels, and would bring US total reserves to 80 billion barrels which is on par with Venezuela. In comparison to other finds around the world, this is twice the size of all Oil ever found in the North Sea and 6 times larger than the estimates of the Alaskan ANWR oil deposits.

The area is about 10,000 sq. miles in size, and was found under layers of salt dooms by a new method of oil discovery known as “gas washing” . A process in which geologist are able to track the movement of oil deposits by the way they interact with the flow of natural gas. This method helps scientists to make extremely accurate 3D-seismic maps of deep underground oil deposits and mitigate the risk involved in drilling such deep under sea wells.

The information was gathered from source rocks deep below the sea and was discovered by a team lead by Larry Cathles, a chemical geologist from Cornell and funded by a grant from Chevron.

Efforts are now underway to rush more equipment into the area and conduct more tests, but because of the devastation left by the hurricanes Katrina and Rita there is a critical shortage of equipment and manpower to do the kind of recovery work needed to bring the oil to the surface. Estimates now range from 1 to 2 years before oil can be pumped from the find area.

http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/oildiscovery.html
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:55 PM
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1. Uh oh.........maybe we've got WMDs.........maybe we should
invade ourselves next!
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:03 PM
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8. I think maybe we should just nuke ourselves.
We already have our troops committed overseas. It would thus likely be more cost effective to simply nuke ourselves rather than go the invasion route. What do you think? ;)

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:57 PM
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44. the only thing better than MIHOP and Shock and Awe
is to LIHOP a hurricane
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:57 PM
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2. now can we pull out of Iraq and
not nuke Iran?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:57 PM
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3. Hoo boy
Tagged for interest.
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:58 PM
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4. Is this cited anywhere else?
The only cite I could find in a Google News search is the NewTechSpy one. Interesting news, if true.
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:43 PM
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51. there is no mention on either Cornell's or Chevron's site
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:04 PM
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55. Mike, in your tag line
You have E85 there. Is that Enthanol? The kind from corn?
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:32 PM
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58. Yes, 85% ethanol fuel
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:59 PM
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5. It's those terrorist shrimp and sea turtles in the Gulf. . .
Scurrying around our ports and beaches. Hauling themselves up on the sacred US mainland in the dead of night to deposit terrorist operatives in secret "nests".

We've got to stop them, if we don't fight them here we'll, uh, have to fight them here. Uh, Uh, Dammit it's all Clinton's FAULT!!!!!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:00 PM
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6. Whoopee! We can keep blowing fumes until we choke!
I was never worried about oil running out but I'm damn sure worried about running out of air. We have got to stop the madness.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:02 PM
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7. Right in hurricane alley.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:29 PM
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31. Last year's hurricanes cause no major oil spills
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:32 PM
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35. They sure did knock oil production out of commission
And there's hundreds of billions worth of damage to the platforms and underwater pipelines.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:34 PM
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37. But it did close down production for quite some time
The Gulf is still trying to repair and replace lost drilling and extraction capacity.

Since we've already pumped so much CO2 into the atmosphere from burning oil, global warming is causing horrific hurricanes in the Gulf now. Ironically, those hurricanes may make it too expensive to extract this major oil deposit.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:05 PM
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9. Right in Time for US to Nationalize Oil
here.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:06 PM
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10. Is this where China and Cuba were starting a joint drilling operation? nt
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RawMaterials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:08 PM
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13. No this is what we sell to china to pay off our debt n/m
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:07 PM
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11. Cerainly now the price per gallon will drop 2 bucks.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:08 PM
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12. Well, if this is true, all it does is postpone things for ten years
Edited on Wed May-03-06 01:22 PM by MadHound
At a consumption rate of 20 million bbl/day, this deposit will only last for 3000 days.

Rather than trying to squeeze the last drop of oil from the earth, why don't we switch over to an off the shelf technology that we already have, one that can fulfill all of our needs, and since it is renewable, it will never run out. Biodiesel.

Then we wouldn't have to rip up the Gulf, which is already a dead zone much of the year, or ANWR, or any other natural enviroment.

But sadly, we'll probably drill the hell out of this, lay even further waste to the Gulf, pollute our air that much more, all for ten years worth of oil:eyes: God, addicts can be pathetic sometimes.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:25 PM
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29. Sadder still, this find could slow development of alternate sources. . .
since the urgency of our present situation would be mitigated in the "addict's" flush of a new source.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:08 PM
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14. Oh, that's a real credible site- LOL
Edited on Wed May-03-06 01:08 PM by depakid
Funny the "story" hasn't been mentioned anywhere else....
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:14 PM
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18. well, its good news as far as I'm concerned
we should look to develop our own resources instead of gobbling up everyone elses. however, I would throw in a huge caveat that, if this is true, no way should we halt efforts on conservation and alternative energy sources.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:04 PM
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54. If this was true, it would be all over the MSM
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:10 PM
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15. What the hell is a salt doom?
Can you trust a publication that can't even spell salt dome?




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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:13 PM
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17. right here
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:38 PM
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39. no...that's a "Salt dome"
We still don't know what a "salt doom" is.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:55 PM
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43. Laughing at my self, didn't pick up on the spelling.
Heres my sign! LOL
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:14 PM
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21. The amount of sodium in a Swanson frozen dinner?
Check out the home "page."

It's all about selling gadgetry.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:20 PM
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26. Yup. It's not a news site, it's a billboard. I call "BS" on this. nm
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:15 PM
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23. Yup - makes you wonder.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:01 PM
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53. Lifetime supply of Burger King fries
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:11 PM
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16. University of Cornell???
How reputable is this source?
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:16 PM
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24. The Larry Cathles named in the article seems to be legit
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:45 PM
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Yeah, but he's a proponent of abiotic oil hypothesis
His science sure isn't legit, abiotic oil has been laughed at for years in the geological circle.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:13 PM
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57. A related 2003 article:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:14 PM
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19. This news is 3 years old - why don't we see any action on this "oil" yet?
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/june03/NN_gulf.html

Perhaps it's because the proponent of abiotic oil is behind the "discovery".

You gotta love the timing of this re-release of an old news story.
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almyers76 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:14 PM
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20. Might be based on this three year old article
Article dated June 2003
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/june03/NN_gulf.html

Raining hydrocarbons in the Gulf

Below the Gulf of Mexico, hydrocarbons flow upward through an intricate network of conduits and reservoirs. They start in thin layers of source rock and, from there, buoyantly rise to the surface. On their way up, the hydrocarbons collect in little rivulets, and create temporary pockets like rain filling a pond. Eventually most escape to the ocean. And, this is all happening now, not millions and millions of years ago, says Larry Cathles, a chemical geologist at Cornell University.
<snip>
Cathles and his team estimate that in a study area of about 9,600 square miles off the coast of Louisiana, source rocks a dozen kilometers down have generated as much as 184 billion tons of oil and gas — about 1,000 billion barrels of oil and gas equivalent. "That's 30 percent more than we humans have consumed over the entire petroleum era," Cathles says. "And that's just this one little postage stamp area; if this is going on worldwide, then there's a lot of hydrocarbons venting out."
<snip>
Of that huge resource of naturally generated hydrocarbons, Cathles says, more than 70 percent have made their way upward through the vast network of streams and ponds, venting into the ocean, at a rate of about 0.1 ton per year. The escaped hydrocarbons then become food for bacteria, helping to fuel the oceanic food web. Another 10 percent of the Gulf's total hydrocarbons are hidden in the subsurface, representing about 60 billion barrels of oil and 374 trillion cubic feet of gas that could be extracted. The remaining hydrocarbons, about 20 percent, stay trapped in the source strata.


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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:28 PM
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30. Welcome to DU, almyers76
:toast:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:15 PM
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22. Funny how all oil finds are "Biggest Ever".
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:18 PM
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25. We're saved! We're saved! Yes, we don't have to worry about
alternate energy sources anymore. More oil! More oil!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:21 PM
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27. This story is 2 days old and is NEWTECHSPY really a legit news source????
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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:41 PM
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50. looks like a tabloid story
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:23 PM
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28. Is this a strategy to psyche Venezuela out?
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grottieyottie Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:30 PM
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32. Other newtechspy.com headlines
US to test MOAB, *Massive Ordnance Air Blast* on Hurricanes

http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/operationdarksky.html


Nasa’s new Antimatter Mars spaceship
Nasa has unveiled their Positron Reactor Mars space ship. The new
positron engine is 30 times more efficient at creating energy than a typical nuclear reactor.
The hope is to one day come up with a propulsion system that takes astronauts to Mars in just 45 days.

http://www.newtechspy.com/april06/april15c.html

Global warming caused by Tunguska Event?

http://www.newtechspy.com/march06/march15c.html
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:32 PM
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33. "salt dooms" giggle
:D
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:32 PM
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34. The quality of the English makes me skeptical
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:32 PM
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36. And let's not forget the StarRotor Engine that triples MPG
Edited on Wed May-03-06 01:33 PM by Lochloosa

Same website.....and same bullshit

http://www.newtechspy.com/april06/april28b.html

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:34 PM
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38. This is bullshit. There are no 100 x 100 mile areas in the Gulf
that haven't been looked at -very- closely, plus Chevron doesn't hire outside "consultants" or universities to do its exploration.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:45 PM
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40. Ooooh!
Swindletop! :rofl: I made myself giggle.
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RedSpartan Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:50 PM
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41. I wonder if Cornell gets a cut of the profits.
Damn liberal elites... :sarcasm:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:54 PM
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42. Louisiana should immediately reclaim this as a "state asset."
Edited on Wed May-03-06 01:54 PM by truthisfreedom
all mineral/oil rights are off, considering.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:57 PM
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45. In other news, Crack addict discovers big, unsmoked rock between cushions
of his apartment couch!

Woo-hoo!
Crack problem solved!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:35 PM
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49. ROTFLMAO :)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:05 PM
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56. More Crack!
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BrownOak Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 09:28 AM
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78. Really, really, funny n/t
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 01:57 PM
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46. Where's the University of Cornell?
Never heard of it.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:22 PM
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63. The article says Cornell University. It's in Ithica NY.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:34 PM
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64. The article says "The University of Cornell"
Edited on Thu May-04-06 12:37 PM by janeaustin
Right here:


Scientists from the University of Cornell have discovered a massive amount of Oil off the coast of Louisiana.


Everybody knows Cornell University is in Ithica, NY. I asked where the University of Cornell is, since that's what the article cites.





(Edited to improve subject line)
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:29 PM
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65. The POST say's University of Cornell. If you take 30 seconds and
follow the link the FIRST line says

"Scientists from Cornell University have discovered a massive amount of Oil off the...."
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:56 PM
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66. Sorry. Super slow dialup out here in the sticks.
I can't really click on the links very often.

Still can't imagine why they said "University of Cornell".

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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:57 PM
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67. I am glad, though, that it only takes 30 seconds where you live. :)
n/t
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:20 PM
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69. Austin. I was just in Austin the first week in April.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:20 PM
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70. Unfortunately, our house in Austin burned down, so we live in the country
outside of Elgin now.

They keep promising us a radio tower for fast internet, but we've quit holding our breath.

We don't even have decent cell coverage out here.

Oh, well, the cows are pretty and the dogs have lots of room. :)
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:24 PM
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71. There are trade off's to living in the "country". Personally - I never
thought of cows as pretty. But I do like hiking with the pooch!
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 12:31 AM
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76. They're pretty across the fence in the neighbor's pasture.
In fact, they look like a painting - - especially when it's misty early in the morning.

Up close, not so much. :)
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 07:40 AM
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77. Ooohh,, that does sound picturesque.
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Weembo Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:11 PM
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47. Folks -- as someone who works in the industry
I'll believe this when I see it. Meanwhile, if you get a solicitation to "invest" in this great find, seriously consider putting your money into passbook savings at .90% annual return -- it'd be way safer.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:30 PM
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48. What are you talking about? It's on the innernet! With a web page
containing Chevron logos and graphs, and everything!

I mean, it MUST be legit, right?

:crazy:
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:41 PM
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59. legit as a bunch of oilioniares
trying to convince everone there's none left.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 04:40 PM
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62. Oh, there's some left.
Edited on Wed May-03-06 04:41 PM by impeachdubya
It's a finite resource, but there's probably still enough left for the human race to continue to foul our nest and fight over the scraps for a few more decades, at least.

Whether or not we're too stupid as a species to begin to really address the underlying issue, i.e. the fact that we power our shit with an environmentally destructive substance that is bound to run out eventually, that's another matter.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 02:57 PM
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52. Remember that episode of the X-Files...
Edited on Wed May-03-06 02:58 PM by haruka3_2000
they discovered a huge oil deposit right around there. The oil was the black cancer.

:tinfoilhat:
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:48 PM
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60. Maybe they'll find some funding for LA recovery after all.
All the greedy Exxoners will be lobbying for Katrina relief for the executive suites that were destroyed by the Hurricaine. Let's all chip in for the hot tub, shall we?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 03:56 PM
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61. Ah yes!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:58 PM
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68. Yes, the oil majors always farm out their exploration to universities . .
:eyes:

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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:46 PM
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72. News is 3 years old! n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:55 PM
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73. "University of Cornell"???
This tells me right away that whoever wrote this article was NOT a serious journalist.

I suspect he meant "Cornell University", but who can be sure? And if he can't even get the school right, what makes you think he can get any facts right?
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 11:14 PM
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74. 'Bogus Fabrication' Per The Oil Drum
"The information was gathered from source rocks deep below the sea and was discovered by a team lead by Larry Cathles, a chemical geologist from Cornell and funded by a grant from Chevron"

I called and talked to Larry Cathles and he said it was a bogus fabrication. There is a large amount of source rock down there, and his group studied where it was migrating to, but in no sense did they find significant amounts of recoverable oil.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/5/1/181751/9406#comments


Guess the Hummer order is off again.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 12:05 AM
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75. even if it were true, that's only about eight years' worth of oil...
... at our current consumption rate. Daily oil consumption in the US stands at 20 million barrels a day.

Sorry to be a wet blanket on this. It's just that we really are looking at a future of rising energy prices and scarcity, and we can't expect to simply drill our way out of it on the strength of a dubious claim reported three years ago (and not heard of since).

I don't like it either, but I guess we have to face facts sometime.

If this 60 billion barrel claim were true, we could use that energy to prepare our infrastructure for an oil-scarce future. A grace period like that would give us time and resources to get our act together. It would be a miracle.

But what do you wanna bet that we would just squander it like we've squandered every other damn thing we were blessed with over the years?

Oh, and by the way: there is no "University of Cornell". That school in Ithaca, NY calls itself Cornell University. Not to be nitpicky, but alleged 'news' stories that get those little details wrong make me skeptical.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 10:01 AM
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79. I understand the local sea-creatures were recently observed trying to
purchase Nigerian Yellowcake..Operation Free Sea Turtle, here we come.
'Fighting 'em down there', etc...
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