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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:36 PM
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Prediction: Alito to be confirmed 61-38
Get your prediction on record here.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:38 PM
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1. 54-40....
six either abstain or not present
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:10 PM
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41. 75-20
He's in. Roe's out.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:22 PM
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44. You'll Be Very Sorry If That Ever Happens
have a nice day.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:49 PM
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50. No way they would end Roe
That is the Republican's biggest issue. If they ended that whaty would they rile their base up with. gay marriage only goes so far.. No they can not afford to lose such a powerful issue..
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:38 PM
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2. I think Alito will be confirmed
No filibuster, he will be confirmed but no prediction for the number.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:38 PM
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I'm saying 76 - 23
and that I'll be a Green by the end of the month.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:42 PM
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11. hear hear
me too. can we still be active on DU? or do we need to start a GU?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:43 PM
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15. If I feel I must switch to the Green Party
I could no longer post on DU with a clear conscience.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:48 PM
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21. I'm Green and active on DU. N/T
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:56 PM
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27. Don't support Green candidates in opposition to Dems openly, then.
It'll get ya banned.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:05 PM
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32. I've yet to support a Green for a National position.
I was independent, then Democrat, now Green. Have considered switching back, but...

Olafr
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:26 PM
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37. i tend to vote Green in local elections
and i confess voting for what's his face in 2000. Because my state was definitely going to Gore, who I wanted and expected to win. I thought my vote for (what was that guy's name again?) would help move the green party to a more visible level - get them on ballots, etc. we need *more* than a 3 party system though, or it will never work.

ps. joking about Nader.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:54 PM
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40. I've never voted for anybody but a Democrat in every election since
1981.

I'VE HAD ALL I CAN STANDS, I CAN'T STANDS NO MORE!
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RedStateHell Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:38 PM
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3. Hope
there is hope. Why are you so pessimistic?

He is clearly lying here. I still have hope.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:39 PM
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8. DiFi has gone on the record that there is nothing to filibuster over
It's a done deal.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:48 PM
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22. That wasn't my take on what was said.
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:39 PM
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4. Is there no hope left at all
that someone like Durbin or Fiengold will get a filibuster together?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:21 PM
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43. None from me...
Go person by person, senator by senator, and this vote speaks for itself. We don't have the votes for a filibuster. Of course, that doesn't mean we just sob, whimper and give up. Going down without a fight is a sign of weakness. Claw and scrape to the bitter end.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:39 PM
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5. He'll be confirmed...
...90-1 with 9 abstaining.

I'm always WAY off with my predictions. Here's to hoping my streak remains solid!
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:39 PM
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6. i think with all this crap that happened today
he will not be confirmed and will walk away like harriet miers. Might be waaaaayyyy off on my own branch but i sense that there is something there that might send Sammy packing
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:39 PM
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7. Full blown war on the floor of the Senate...
Filibuster and wall to wall coverage from all networks for days.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:48 PM
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20. from your lips to the dems ears!
Now is the time to call or e-mail any and all senators...
Filibuster!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:40 PM
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9. He won't be confirmed.
n/t
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:41 PM
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10. As Malloy said last night, " this is the time to filibuster"
Line in the sand time. It's now or never. It's war.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:43 PM
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14. Cheney will break the tie in true Dr. Evil fashion.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:42 PM
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12. If there is a vote it will be down party lines.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:46 PM
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17. Not at all
Several Democrats have already signalled they will support Alito.

Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Tim Johnson, and Byron Dorgan, just to name four.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:43 PM
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13. Just so you prediction makers don't base it on corporate media.
Please don't base it on what talk-propaganda idiots say.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:44 PM
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16. Roberts was confirmed 78-22
I would never have thought in my wildest dreams that he would get that kind of groundswell support.

I think Alito will be confirmed by around 67-33.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:47 PM
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18. I predict the vote will be 66-34 to confirm
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 02:50 PM by WI_DEM
No Republicans will vote against him and ten Democrats will support him.

The ten who will vote yes: Nelson (FL), Feinstein (CA), Lieberman (CT), Lincoln (ARK), Nelson (NE), Johnson (SD), Landrieu (LA), Byrd (WVA), Lautenberg (NJ), Pryor (ARK).

I hope I'm wrong.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:47 PM
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19. Oh jeez, I don't know
52-48

I think we'll get two Rethugs voting against with rest sticking together. Some of the others are too loyal to break party lines.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:49 PM
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23. Nope. He'll be filibustered, Frist will throw out the Nuclear Option
and the Dems will start Senate procedures by reading the bills they are SUPPOSE to read in the first place. They should be finished reading them by November, 2008.

FILIBUSTER.
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:54 PM
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25. What are the procedures they
will follow to enact a filibuster? How many Senators do we need to start it?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:34 PM
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45. 41 Senators needed to filibuster
US Senate : Filibuster
From Kathy Gill,
Your Guide to U.S. Politics: Current Events.
Senate Procedures

US Senate Republican leadership has publicly decried Democrat efforts to block Presidential nominations that require Senate approval. Senate leadership threatens to invoke a "nuclear option" which would ban the minority from blocking judicial nominees.

Some news reports have characterized the filibuster, a historical method used to delay vote or block debate, as unconstitutional, unfair, a historical relic. Others report that it is a tool that protects the rights of the minority against the tyrrany of the majority.

By their nature, filibusters elevate visiblity and have, as a by-product, the potential to inspire compromise. A final vote can only be taken if 60 Senators agree; this is called a vote of cloture (vote to end the filibuster).

According to the non-partisan Congressional Research Service (CRS), cloture votes to end a filibuster were held on 14 appeals court nominations from 1980 to 2000.

However, the filibuster is only one way that Senators can block a vote. For example, Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (UT) bottled Clinton judicial nominees "in committee" -- effectively denying them a vote on the Senate floor. The Judiciary Committee uses "blue slips" to obtain home state Senator opinion on the nominee; Hatch required two yes votes for Clinton nominees, but only one for Bush. (cite1, cite2)

Democratic senators filibustered 10 of President Bush's 229 first-term judicial nominees; this confirmation rate exceeded other first-term presidents since 1980. (cite)

The Senate is the upper house of the Congress of the United States. It is comprised of two senators (100 members) from each state. Senators serve six-year terms, with one-third being elected each election cycle.

The Senate has sole authority to ratify treaties proposed by the president and the sole power to accept or reject presidential nominees for federal courts (judges, including the Supreme Court) and cabinet members. Sponsored Links
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The Senate has a process in place for amending rules; this process requires a two-thirds <67> vote. According to Congressional Quarterly, from 1919-1971, there were nine filibusters relating to Rule 22; in each case, there were insufficient votes to invoke cloture.

The "nuclear option" which Republican leaders are threatening is actually a series of steps designed to bypass the two-thirds vote requirement to change rules: (cite)
The Senate moves to vote on a controversial nominee.
At least 41 Senators call for filibuster.
Majority Leader Frist raises a point of order, saying debate has gone on long enough and that a vote must be taken within a certain time frame. (Current Senate rules requires a cloture vote at this point.)
Vice President Cheney -- acting as presiding officer -- sustains the point of order.
A Democratic Senator appeals the decision.
A Republican Senator moves to table the motion on the floor (the appeal).
This vote - to table the appeal - is procedural and cannot be subjected to a filibuster; it requires only a majority vote (in case of a tie, the Vice President casts the tie-breaking vote).
With debate ended, the Senate would vote on the nominee; this vote requires only a majority of those voting. The filibuster has effectively been closed with a majority vote instead of a three-fifths vote.

Background
According to the US Senate website , the word filibuster -- derived from a Dutch word meaning "pirate" -- was first used more than 150 years ago to describe "efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent action on a bill."

Rule 22
The filibuster is related to "cloture," a rule adopted almost 100 years ago two-thirds vote. At times this was two-thirds of those voting; for a limited time, it was two-thirds of membership.

In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes needed to invoke cloture to three-fifths (60) of Senate membership. At the same time, they made the filibuster "invisible" by requiring only that 41 Senators state that they intend to filibuster; critics say this makes the modern filibuster "painless."
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:51 PM
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24. No: 52-47
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oneoftheboys Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:55 PM
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26. 60 - 40 - All Gopers and (5) Dems
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:56 PM
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28. 57-43
There will be a few dems and a couple of repubs that will cross lines.
The Professor
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:00 PM
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29. Dems will fillibuster
and Repubs will use the nuclear option. Party line vote supporting nuclear option. Allito is confirmed but backlash against Repubs similar to what happened after Teri Schiavo.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:20 PM
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42. That sounds interesting, except...
I don't think we have the votes for a filibuster
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:42 PM
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48. If the party holds together, we do
I think Reid may insist on party unity if he can insure enough cover. That's the sole purpose of the hearings. To uncover enough talking points to insist Dems hold together.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 05:24 PM
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52. when was the last time (if ever) the party held together? - there seems to
always be some defectors.
:-(
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:04 PM
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30. Oh no, I'm betting it will be a lot closer, like 60 - 55
The only dems who vote for Alito will be the closet repukes (Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, and so on)).
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:06 PM
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33. But where will we get the extra 15 senators?
60 + 55 = 115
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:09 PM
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35. Doh!
I had forgot that we dont have a majority anymore!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:14 PM
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36. Even a majority couldn't create 15 extra senators
You'd need 7.5 additional states to do that ;)
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:05 PM
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31. Maine Dems need to be on top of this
Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins need to be held accountable for their votes on this one.

Big Time.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:09 PM
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34. I believe itll be close.
My worry is with the Lieberman Dems.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:29 PM
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38. Any DEM who votes for this facist-racist must be facist-racist too.n/t
n/t
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:53 PM
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39. Any "Democrats" who vote to confirm this piece of shit....
...should be shot at sunrise like the traitors that they are.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:45 PM
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49. Ditto
This guy is truly a corporate whore and a traitor to the American system of law. He simply pretends that laws or the congressional opinions were meant to say something totally different than what they do. Hes slimy.
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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:39 PM
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46. 58-40
Mostly party line vote...
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:42 PM
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47. I'll say 58-42, but Democrats wimp out on a fillibuster
Jeffords votes yes, Ben Nelson votes yes, Landrieu votes yes.

Lieberman, Feistein will vote no, but they will be very tepid in their opposition. For Lieberman, this is a small chance for him to make the Democratic base happy in Connecticut, where he faces a primary challenge.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:51 PM
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51. 78 - 22, same as Roberts
:hi:
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