How Do the anti-anthem-in-Spanish puritans feel about The Bible in Engish?

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I mean, if people singing the praises of your nation in their native tounge is a travesty, then surely the word of God shouldn't be translated.

Are they just beings of hypocrisy?

note: I use the words "The Bible" innocuously

[Bluebear]

1. I like it.

:hi:

[Telly Savalas]

2. I think it's OK for legal immigrants to read a Spanish translation

of the Bible until they learn enough English to read the real version.

[ulysses]

3. LOL!

:thumbsup:

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5. oy

[NYC Liberal]

4. Shows what you know!

*Everyone* knows that Jesus was a Christian, and read the King James translation of the Bible!

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6. Sometimes I wonder how many think Jesus was an American.

Really, what would that number be? I bet it would scare the hell out of both of us.

[NYC Liberal]

8. How many people think he was WHITE?

I bet that's an even higher number, considering most of the paintings you see portray him as a clean-cut white guy with silk robes.

Boy would they be surprised to learn he was just another one of those "brown people" over in the middle east...

[Bjornsdotter]

11. ....and blond!

:crazy: Oh yeah, I'm sure he was a blond.

Cheers

[YellowRubberDuckie]

7. Singing the UNITED STATES national anthem in a foreign language....

Is Apples to the bible in English's Oranges. The bible is supposed to be UNIVERSAL. What you're talking about is just anti christian and completely ridiculous. I'm a liberal...and a christian....and what you just said is offensively ignorant.
Duckie

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9. sheesh, man - just sharing a thought - don't take my head off, ok?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

14. Sorry. And usually, I love ya, Skip.

I really do find you intelligent and insightful most of the time, but this time, it just wasn't up to form.
Oh, and I'm a chick. :evilgrin:
Duckie

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16. Did you say chick?

yellowrubberduckie - damn! I should have gotten that!

and thanks for the compliment, I had no idea

:hi:

on edit, I still don't see the objection; doesn't mean its not there

[ulysses]

13. ?

How is the OP offensive?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

15. I'm offended by ignorance...

Especially from otherwise intelligent, insightful people.
Duckie

[ulysses]

19. you called it "anti-christian"

It didn't seem aimed at Christians to me.

[donco6]

22. Actually, I think he has a great valid point.

If you have a great idea (i.e., the message of the National Anthem - democracy triumphing over adversity, shining through the night, etc.), what's wrong with wanting to share it in all languages? And yes, I know, it can't be translated word-for-word - but nothing can. The Bible is a great example. It's a translation from Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew and a smattering of other languages. It's not a literal translation, and there are many arguments over how certain translations handle certain passages. That's why there are so MANY translations. So I think it's a perfect juxtaposition.

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[Metta]

12. Excellent.

:thumbsup: Great point. What idiots.

[silverojo]

17. I'll sing their freakin' anthem in English

I'm sick of those people coming here and wanting to make US adopt THEIR culture. They're supposed to assimilate with us, not the other way around!

[BlueJazz]

21. While I don't entirely agree with you, I understand. I, for one, think..

it's quite nutty to think that you can change an Anthem into spanish and still call it "The Anthem"

As I said on another post, Songs DO NOT translate well.

Usually when you translate a tune, you have.. essentially ..lost the song.

You are singing a new song (which is Fine) But don't call it something that it's not...

[donco6]

23. Does their anthem have a good message too?

Then why not?

[DetroitProle]

29. Valid, and look what the Canadians did,

The French Canadians do not sing the same anthem. Its the same melody, but not the same lyrics. They both of course honor the land they live in.
For example, try singing the Dutch or Polish national anthem in English...it has very little meaning(and makes little sense, and doesn't translate well), however, when sung in Dutch or Polish by Dutch or Polish people, many will tell you it means a lot to them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Completely Flawed Analogy Unfortunately.

The two scenarios aren't even remotely comparable.

But I would say that silly inaccurate analogies aren't even necessary to make clear the absurdity of the national anthem language argument. The national anthem debate is so clearly ridiculous on its face just speak to it plainly. Not necessary to muddy up the argument with false analogy. :)

[donco6]

24. I think it's a very valid argument.

see post 22.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. I Know You Do, But I Think Your Post 22 Is Invalid As Well.

But to each their own.

[donco6]

28. And that's the best you can do?

Ok, whatever.

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25. It might be.

Although I think a lot of those on the right, and who could be still there at this point, screaming about Englsih only renditions of the National Anthem, might also be the ones on the right who want to shove the literal King James Version of the Christain Bible down everyone's throats.

Doesn't mean all who support English only anthems and all who are right wingers are one in the same. Just those that are bushbot types are probably also Rapture-ready wars for God peoeple are probably the same subset.

Does that make any sense?

[jsamuel]

33. Martin Luther ring a bell?

[Igel]

20. Depends where the anthem's sung.

Think of it as secular ritual. Some utterances have their language prescribed. "Out of many, one" is an example that rings differently than 'e pluribus unum'; 'oyez oyez' is another. "Listen up, y'all" doesn't quite cut it.

It's rather like asking why an imam for a conservative congregation where most of the Muslims speak English doesn't give the call to prayer in English, and doesn't have the shahada in English, and doesn't say all the prayers in English. The ritual requires Arabic. It's a religious ritual, but the point holds for secular rituals, as well.

It was roughly the same for the Latin liturgy until Vatican II. I'd put the pledge of allegiance and the oath of office for federal elected officials in the same boat.

Translation for understanding is fine. But as substitution for ritual, not so fine. Some people have no sense of ritual. I think of it as a necessary kind of irritation. But those that think it's unnecessary should show a modicum of respect for those that do.

[Zhade]

27. They'd likely say, "If the King James bible was good enough for Jesus..."

:rofl:

[eppur_se_muova]

30. Um, Engish? Oh, wait, found it w/Google ...

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives/Engish_Language.htm

[tabasco]

31. They should learn Greek dammit !

Or was it Aramaic? Or both?

HOW DARE THEY DESECRATE THE HOLY WRITINGS BY PUTTING THEM INTO A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE?!

[mondo joe]

32. I think they should all be in Klingon only. -eom-