Justice Alito, get used to it, move on

[Hamlette]

I'm not happy about it but I've not heard anything that will defeat his nomination. Remember Clarence Thomas? I'm worried its a distraction at this point. Abramoff, House leadership...Iran.

[leftstreet]

1. He'll have a problem is he's currently lying under oath.

About his involvement with CAP.

[napi21]

5. No. You can't prove someone doesn't remember something.

Even if EVERYTHING in your common sense dictates that he couldn't possible "not remember".

[Greyhound]

72. Remember raygun? Responded with "I can't recall" 134 times. n/t

[0rganism]

85. unfortunately, with raygun, it was believable

I wish I could say I didn't believe him, but our nation really was in the hands of a dotard -- one, I might add, whom much of the population still idolizes.

[Greyhound]

86. I never believed him, but then I know who he was before he went

into politics. Along with (what a) Dick Clark, Raygun named names to save his worthless ass.

[Little Star]

2. I agree with one stipulation

first call or e-mail your reps and let them know whats on your mind. Seems that this is a no win situation. Focus on Alito like they want us to (go read freep republic) or keep Abramoff, House leadership, Iran on the front burner. I personally think Alito is already decided.

[napi21]

3. I think you're probably right. The only thing that could

eliminate him is if, during these hearings, the RW hear something that convinces them that he WON'T try to overturn Roe. If they get that impression, they will inundate the Pub Senators to vote him down!

Other than that, I see nothing that can stop him.

[Walt Starr]

4. I WON'T "get used to it" and I WILL move on

away from teh Democratic PArty.

It's that simple. If the Democrats do not filibuster, the Democratic PArty is hopeless and thus not worth my time or effort.

[Nutmegger]

8. Yes, I agree

I'm tired of the spinelessness. I'd rather fight for a worthy third party like the Greens.

[Hamlette]

11. what's to filibuster?

He's not coming off like a Bork. He's a conservative republican. If we had a Dem in the White House I'd want the farthest left liberal around. And I'd expect that person to be approvee. Even if s/he was as far left as Bork was right.

It sure would be nice if we could stop talking about abortion in this country for a few years. We might make some progress. It seems right now that's all it comes down to...for both sides. Shame.

[Walt Starr]

14. How about the monumental lies he has told

under oath?

Nah, wimp
If not now, when?

If not Alito, who?

This is my litmus test for the party.

[Dr Fate]

19. But- but- havent you heard that comforting talking point yet?

Keep your powder dry, Walt!

That's right- keep it dry- for "the next time."



Keep your powder-puffs nice and dry folks!

[Walt Starr]

22. I bought that line hook line and sinker over Roberts

So this was the time we kept our powder dry for.

And if they don't filibuster now, the Democratic PArty is in collusion with the republican Party and I need no further evidence.

[Dr Fate]

24. Stop pouring water in my powder puff compact- It needs to be DRY!!!

I must look nice and pretty for Bush and his facist, racist appointees!

STOP IT! STOP- IT!!!!

[durablend]

35. Don't forget to practice bowing!

The proper royal way is on BOTH knees with your lips to be placed on the FRONT of master's right shoe.

You will need to know this for the royal coronation ceremony.

[Hamlette]

34. sorry, I've not heard any monumental lies

what have I missed?

[Dr Fate]

37. The entire hearings? Which questions were answered 100% truthful?

I have not heard a straight answer from the man.

My Dad used to call that "Lying" or "Happy-horse-sh*t."

I'll let the GOP/media and Vichy Dems split hairs over how frank he supposedly is.

*I* know, and my Dad knows that this is all Happy Horse-Sh*t. If Democrats cant see that, then God help us all.

[Hamlette]

50. yeah, it's called politics

and if my far left wing nominee were in the same place, I'd want the same kind of answers.

I don't like Alito but when I play "on the other foot" I'd think we'd have the right to expect confirmation.

Having lived through Bork and Thomas, and Scalia and Rhenquist...this guy's a Scalia. We just can't "get him". I'd rather the press were hammering Abramoff et al.

[Dr Fate]

51. But Democrats dont appoint "far left" judges- we appoint moderates.

The other huge difference is that Bush is the most unpopular, dishonest & corrupt President in history. If we had a prez as corrupt, criminal and unpopular as Bush, then we should not expect confirmation either.

Alito is a facist and a racist- Democrats dont appoint "far left" judges- we appoint moderates.

Caving in to Bush and "playing fair" with him has never worked. Can you show me when it has?

Alito is a liar and a racist, and should not be awarded a life-time appointment.

I'll assume that Democrats who enable him or defend his confirmation have no problem with his positions.

[Hamlette]

62. whatever....dude

the left has become as looney as Rush/Robertson...if it begins to believe things like "Bush is the most unpopular, dishonest and corrupt President in history" or "Alito is a facist" or "Democrats don't appoint "far left" judges - we appoint moderates".

Know thine enemy. And your history.

Congress has moved further right than the country. If you want your country back, find out why and fix it.

Complaining about the Alito nomination by calling him names is not productive.

[Common Sense Party]

64. Amen, Hamlette.

All the name-calling and Nazi imagery does nothing to inspire confidence in the correctness and competence of our side.

[Dr Fate]

67. Right- the public NEVER responds to name calling- (see "Flip-flopper")

Also, see the demonization of the word "Liberal" in the 80's & 90's.

Gotcha- the public does not respond to name calling.

[Common Sense Party]

68. Fine. You like calling Bush a Nazi? Just keep it up.

See where it gets you.

[Dr Fate]

71. Actually, I usually just call him a "liar."

And then I proceed to list example after example to prove it is a factual statement.

Your average swing-voter on the street knows damn well that Bush is a liar too.

[Common Sense Party]

82. Absolutely. Say that he lies, and back it up.

Say that his policies are bad, and back it up. I have no problem with that.

But say that he's Hitler? What does one back that up with? Photoshopped images of Bush with a little moustache?

[Dr Fate]

66. I note that you cant refute anything I said.

Bush is indeed the most dishonest & corrupt Prez in history- he beats Nixon or Grant. You act like this is some kind of "looney" statement. It is not. Who is, if not Bush?

"Congress has moved further right than the country"

I agree with that statement- which is probably why it appears to you that Clinton's (or some hypothetical Democrat in the future?) appointees were "far left" when they were really moderates.

Is civil rights and privacy "far-left?" Or is it moderate?

And this is a message board and I'm a private citizen, so I can factually label Bush & his cronies as facists and racists all day long- even if the media and some Democrats are afraid to be blunt & truthful in that respect.

[Hamlette]

80. I refuted everything you said

we can argue the relative honesty of Nixon (or Johnson if you will) all day. I'll take Johnson as the most dishonest. Or maybe Nixon. Of course, I'll have to get out all my reference material to site chapter and verse but Johnson's destruction of Olds (sp? liberal seeking reappointment to federal office), keeping any civil rights legislation from getting through the Senate for what? 10 years? His outrageous manipulation of legislation regulating the oil and natural gas industry, fixing elections (yeah, MUCH better proof than we have on Bush) then we can talk about the war.

Of course, my guess is Johnson and Nixon might not come close to the corruption of other presidents, I just happen to have studied them more (history major here) and lived it. Read Caro's biography on Johnson, it will give you a good start. Then we'll talk.

Let's talk about racism and sexism. I was there...in the 50s when racism was acceptable...and sexism...sheesh...I was one of the first 100 women in the history of my state to graduate from law school. The things I could tell you about sexism. And I participated as a protestor in the civil rights movement. What you gonna do to all those people who were racist then? Call them names? Yeah, boy, that helps.

This is politics. They won, we lost. Why don't you continue to call Alito and Bush names, then go join the Green party and once again, we'll split the liberal vote so another religiously insane president wins.

Or, better yet, learn something about the history of your country and its current political climate.

[Walt Starr]

61. He lied in his very first confirmation hearing

Said he would recuse himself in any cases involving Vanguard, then he didn't.

That's a monumental lie and should get him impeached from his current seat, let alone allow him to be a SCOTUS justice.

He'es a fucking criminal!

[Hamlette]

84. oh, sorry, I didn't realize you agreed with the Clinton impeachment

I see it as a matter of degree.

I've not read the file in the Vanguard case, nor will I because there was a party on the other side and if it was an appealable issue, I'm sure it was appealed.

I think the tin hats are on too tight around here.

[Dr Fate]

15. Duh- he is either lying or at best, refusing to answer questions.

His refusal to answer the questions is enough.

The fact is that he was appointed by the most dishonest, corrupt President in the history of the U.S. - couple this with his own shakey answers to nearly every question, and there you have a good reason to oppose Alito.

Explain how I am wrong.

[alarimer]

25. I agree with you on this

I will not give up my rights willingly; I am not going to say "Oh well, it's a done deal. Better get used to being treated like chattel". No, for once we need a show of real opposition.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. If they don't filibuster we won't have to worry about

switching parties. The Democratic party will be FINISHED. It's that simple. Bush will be King, we'll have religion in schools, abortion will be illegal, we will forever be under surveillance, we will never have another fair election and....we'll be finished.:(

[durablend]

46. Which is also why the R's aren't worried about their own shitstorm

Once Alito's in, all that crap gets locked away for good. First order of business (after Alito tosses abortion rights into the dumpster) will likely to make criticism of the executive a federal offense.

[Dinger]

6. I Ain't Gettin' Used To Shit, Lots Of Killjoys Here Now

Knock it off, PLEASE.

[jbnow]

7. The more I hear him

the more I think Alito should be stopped.

No he hasn't said he is a sexist, bigot, classist who would vote for bush having any war power he deems he has the right to but his decisions, actions, answers and non-answers about related matters horrify me.

Move on? This man will be making decisions for decades. Matters relating abortions, civil rights and presidential powers don't belong in his hands. He will stop many people from "moving on".

[Hamlette]

9. but...he's a republican...most of them would vote the same way

wouldn't they? We don't get to stop all GOP nominations, much as we'd like to.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. He's ESPECIALLY dangerous.

Not only is he a Federalist, he has STATED, in his own words, that the Constitution DOES NOT protect a woman's right to privacy and abortion and REFUSES to say whether he STILL agrees with that statement. He also REFUSES to say whether or not Roe v. Wade is SETTLED LAW. He MUST be filibusterd.

[AndyTiedye]

10. "Move On" to the Era Of Unlimited Presidential Power and No-Choice

Alito belives that the pResident should have unlimited power in "wartime". That is reason enough to disqualify him right there.
He does not believe in upholding the Constitution that he would be sworn to uphold.

We should fight Alito. We should FILIBUSTER. This is what it is for.

Snoopergate, torturegate and lying us into war are all good reasons why people like Alito should never be allowed near the Supreme Court bench, because he would legalize all of those things and more.

He would also vote to repeal Roe v. Wade, of course.

[newsguyatl]

12. "get over it" -- "nothing to see here"

same rightwing meme that was spread here during the roberts nomination.

[Walt Starr]

20. I understood Roberts. They were holding their water for the next nominee

I'll never forgive them for Alito.

Never.

[robbedvoter]

30. Frankly, I didn't get that one either. SCOTUS was supposed to be IT

as far as worthy battlegroud and potential damage if playing dead.

[Dr Fate]

13. I dont know how I'll forgive Democrats for allowing facism & racism. n/t

How does one go about forgiving the enablers of facism and racism?

If Democrats dont Fillibuster, I will laugh at them when they ask me for money or volunteer time.

I dont give money or volunteer time to those who meekly enable facism and racism.

[Jacobin]

16. We're stuck, apparently

the last branch of government that was possible to save from disaster is about to be gone, not that it was much to begin with considering Bush v. Gore

[MadHound]

17. Yes indeed, let's move on

Move on to the unlimited presidential powers that Bushco will ram through with their hand picked boys on the court, move on to rolling back the clock to pre-Roe v Wade, move on and let the disappearance our civil rights proceed apace, move on to more endless wars for profit and oil, move more lies from our president. Yes indeed, let's move on:eyes:

Distraction, is that what you think that this is, Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick friend, this man is waaaay beyond distraction, in his nomination is embodied the turning point of our country from a democracy to a dictatorship, and you think we should just move on! How in the hell do you expect any of these multitude of scandals to be brought to justice when the highest court in the land is packed with cronies and Neo-Cons?

And the excuse that any other conservative justice would do the same thing simply doesn't hold water. Exhibit A, the woman that Alito is hoping to replace, Sandra Day O'Connor. A woman, nominated by Reagan, who is a moderate on the court. I would much rather have somebody like her on board rather than Alito, and if we put a halt to the Alito nomination we can force Bush to nominate such a moderate. But noooo, you would rather have the Dems roll over and piss all over themselves like a whipped pup rather than put up a fight.

Sorry friend, I don't and never will buy that line of reasoning. We have the power of the filibuster, we can force Bush to bring in a better candidate. I say it is high time that the Democrats fought back and did so. Anything else is simply selling out this country to the corporatistas and fascists. You may be comfotable with that, but I'm certainly not.

[Solomon]

53. Damn well said. My sentiments exactly. This is definitely NOT a

distraction. None of the "more important" things the original poster mentions, Abramoff, etc. will mean anything with this piece of shit put on the court.

I'm almost through with the dems. Spindless asses.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. Agreed

The delusional nonsense I've seen on DU on this point is astounding. This guy is in, finito and full stop.

[Dr Fate]

21. Exactly- we must keep our powder-puffs dry!

That's right- keep it dry- for "the next time."



Keep your powder-puffs nice and dry folks!

[robbedvoter]

28. Don't forget the perenial "give them rope to hang themselves with"

[Dr Fate]

29. Suuure- and "They will fall on their own swords"....

...and my favorite- "We are playing rope-a-dope."

Let's just put on our powder make-up, look pretty for Bush, and be done with it.

[durablend]

36. Correction: "Dope on a rope"

And it looks like the dopes are us. :(

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. It's clouds illusions you recall

But you'll only be disappointed again. It's all over but your weeping.

[Dr Fate]

49. Oh good! So long as our powder-puffs are dry for "the next time."

Dry powder is somthing to be proud of- and proud we shall be.

Weeping? Nah- that would get my powder wet.

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Attribute whatever argument to me you'd like

Notice I never said "We have to keep our powder dry for next time." That's your imagination working overtime on my statements. I'm simply recording the obvious fact that nobody's gonna filibuster this thing, and people who think it's gonna happen are deluding themselves. It's over. Whether you're dead but too dumb to lie down is your issue, baby.

[Dr Fate]

54. That's WONDERFUL!

And dont forget to keep your powder dry- for the next time.

And hey- I'm not the one dying or being dumb- I'll always openly oppose facism and racism.

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. And perhaps one day you'll even be doing something more

than shaking your fist at the sky.

But whatever floats your boat, kid.

[Dr Fate]

56. Teach me.

I'll sit at your feet, as the kid, and you will teach me. No- you will teach all of us.

I need "somthing more."

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. LOL

I wouldn't presume! Besides, this posturing seems to make you happy and righteously indignant, and I wouldn't want to deprive you of your joy. You're gonna need it. Cheers.

[Dr Fate]

59. Yes- I dont even know who I am anymore.

But seriously, I'll bet your right. I never disagreed with you that we wont keep our powder dry.

[alcibiades_mystery]

60. Oh, I'm sorry

When I said "Cheers," that meant I'm done with you. Should have been more clear there.

[Dr Fate]

65. Why apologize for being absolutely right?

DEMs will give Bush exactly what he wants- I think we both agree on that- we just had a different way of expressing that fact.

Thanks for giving me the last word- cheers.

[alcibiades_mystery]

78. You're welcome

:evilgrin:

[Marie26]

79. Are we going to have to seperate you two? nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

81. Aw come on

I loves me some Dr. Fate. For real! :-)

[Hyernel]

23. That's a thread title Karl Rove would be proud of.

Alito must not take the bench. It's too important. FILIBUSTER!!!!!!!!

[robbedvoter]

26. Move on where? Dark Ages? I don't have ADD - can pay attention

to more than one subject at a time. besides, this is Abramoff's ticket to get out of jail - as their little stooges get to infest our courts.
So remind me again - where is it that we're moving?

[durablend]

40. Moving right on to fascism

"So get over it, kiss your rights goodbye for the last time, and get lost"

:sarcasm:

[stepnw1f]

27. You Get Used to It

Stay out of our way!

[LSK]

31. i'll wait and see whats in those CAP records

[Walt Starr]

32. Will we ever even see the CAP records?

I doubt it.

[LSK]

33. Kennedy was sending staffers to look at them today

[durablend]

38. Likely been burned or shredded already

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. I agree, That's why Kennedy didn't get them before.

They were busy shredding them.

[Shrek]

75. Supposedly they've been made available

Rusher opens papers about Alito's alumni group

A request by the Congressional Research Service was denied. Rusher did give the New York Times permission to go through his papers in November, after Alito's nomination was announced. A subsequent article in the newspaper concluded that Rusher's files as well as records at a Princeton library gave "no indication" that Alito was a major donor or active leader in the alumni group.

Rusher agreed Wednesday to give the Judiciary Committee access to his papers if it would end the fussing.

[donheld]

39. You want us just to give up?

Not on your life.

[EFerrari]

47. don, check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=111850&mesg_id=111850

[moondust]

42. Yeah, hurry up.

The ink on those rubber stamps is starting to dry out.

[DemGirl7]

48. I have to admit, that I'm somewhat prepared for Alito to be comfirmed

but thats because there are certain so-called "Democrats" that are going to stab the rest of the Democrats in the Senate in the back, and we all who they are, because they have done it before. Plus all of the Repugs are going to march in unison, and all vote to confirm Alito. But I'm not going to move on, I mean I've still haven't moved on from the 2000 election, and probably never will. Through I have to add that I'm willing to bet that his comfirmation vote on the floor of the Senate will probably be very close, probably just as close as the Clarence Thomas vote, and that speaks volumes in a very bad way.

[SW FL Dem]

58. I am afraid you are right.

I hate it, but I it will take a miracle to prevent his confirmation and I don't see one coming. Our only hope is that we can gain leverage in 2006 and slowly begin to get our country back.

[Marie26]

63. Probably, unless Feingold can come up w/a

silver bullet. And he's sure trying! We'd have to get all Dems, plus 5 Republicans voting against him... and that isn't going to happen.

[neverevergivein]

74. you're probably right

but I ain't giving up yet. Hell, NEVER!!!

[Marie26]

77. Fight the good fight! nt

[bklyncowgirl]

69. I'd settle for a party line NO vote.

I oppose Alito for the simple fact that the people that I hate love the guy. He is not, however, going to give him the rope to hang himself. On the other hand, I would like to see the Democrats hang together and oppose this guy.

Even if he is confirmed and--unless a significant number of Republicans cross over--it seems like he will be confirmed, I would like to see the Democrats offer a strong protest.

Is that too much to ask?

[incapsulated]

70. A Lifetime Appointment to the highest court in the country...

One that has used it's powers to "appoint" a President, is a "distraction"??

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

Anyway, you don't seem to have much of a problem with him, so who cares, right?

[mmonk]

73. Move on hell

the Thomas nomination didn't tip the court into a new extreme and uncertain future.

[m_welby]

76. It would take something like personally killing babies for him to go down

It's done.

I hope (but don't expect) the Dems to fight all the way and vote against him, but in the end, he will be on the court. This was decided the day GW was re-selected.

It is a tragedy, a crime, possibly the beginning of the end of democracy in this nation, but it will happen.

[msgadget]

83. Unfortunately, yes. Focus on *K Street Project*, Patriot Act,

tax cuts, etc. The dems are doing what they can but I doubt it'll be enough. These hearings are a gift to the administration by taking the spotlight off K Street and the issues carried over the holiday AND by giving the republicans every chance to say they're mainstream and abortion is a horror.