Help me debunk this..email

[serryjw]

Is this true?

quote........
The "Certificate of Completion or Attendance" that is being offered in lieu of high school diplomas, is a part of Bush's "No Child Left Behind". This is how it works:

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> > It is for students who are unable to pass both the Language Arts and Math portions of the 10th grade ISTEP. Students must take the same 10th grade test over in the 11th and 12th grades until they pass both portions. If they are unable to pass the 10th grade test by the 12th grade then they have two options:

1. Drop out and go to a GED program or,
2. accept a "Certificate of Completion" - it is NOT a diploma. Once a student accepts it, they cannot ever get a diploma or a GED. A
certificate of completion means that a student can never (as long as they live):

1. go to the armed services
2. go to college
3. go to trade school
; 4. go to journeyman's school
5. go to beauty school
6. go to culinary arts school
7. get a federal loan in their lifetime

This is the portion of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND (2001) that Bush slipped in during the 2004 revision of the NCLB bill. It has not been publicized. At a high school in Indiana, in 2005, there were 87 seniors in the graduation class. Five got diplomas and 82 got "Certificates of Completion".

This is being referred to as the "Paper Plantation". It is better for students to drop out and get into a GED program so they may seek other forms of education, later in life, if they desire to do so. All 50 states have "Certificates of Completion or Attendance".

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[B Calm]

1. kick

[Canuckistanian]

2. That doesn't make sense

From a Cheap Labor Conservative perspective.

They WANT uneducated, unskilled people for the armed forces. So I question #1.

[mcscajun]

3. I haven't researched the rest, but I do know that you cannot get a

diploma or GED once you've accepted a Certificate of Completion. That certficate is obviously not accepted as a standard diploma. If you have plans that include not truly graduating, better to drop out well before you're in Certificate country and leave your GED options open.

[silverweb]

4. I've asked the same thing.

I got the same e-mail today and put an S.O.S. out _here_

No proof or debunking evidence yet and I think it's important for us to find out.

[serryjw]

9. Certificates of Completion or Attendance

looks like it is issued when a child with disabilites can not pass the standard test.

This maybe a little tidbit * added to the 2005 revision BUT email isn't totally honest

quote.......
Abstract



The majority of states have or plan to adopt high stakes testing. Many of these states are implementing diploma or certificate options for students who complete all coursework but are unable to reach the cutoff score on the exam. This study evaluates the effect of certificates of completion on admission into post-secondary institutions. Admission policies for all New Mexico colleges were reviewed and each school’s director of admissions was interviewed regarding knowledge and experience with certificates of completion. Data from this study suggests that most college admissions offices have not encountered or even heard about certificates of completion. Junior colleges with open admission policies are willing to accept students with certificates of completion, but these students are not typically awarded any financial aid until they earn a GED. More research needs to be conducted and policies regarding diploma options and college admissions need to be developed.


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High Stakes Testing and Diploma Options
With twenty-seven states currently mandating, or planning to mandate by the year 2005, that students pass a high stakes test for graduation (Amrein & Berliner, 2002), it is time to consider the effects of testing on entrance into post-secondary education. Research has shown that not earning a high school diploma has life-long damaging effects (O’Neill, 2001), but little is known about the emergent effects of diploma options.

States began using diploma options as a means of preventing the negative effects of not receiving a diploma while maintaining high expectations for those who receive the standard diploma. Certificates of completion, also called certificates of attendance or achievement, are given to students who pass all coursework required for graduation, but who are unable to reach the cut-off score on the high stakes test. This maintains the integrity of the high school diploma, while also providing a means of exiting high school for students who do not meet all of the criteria for the diploma (Thurlow & Thompson, 1999).

Unfortunately students, parents, teachers, and even colleges have little knowledge of the impact of certificates of completion upon post-secondary schooling. We must prevent life-long negative consequences for students while at the same time make the high school diploma meaningful.

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http://education.umn.edu/nceo/OnlinePubs/CollegeAdmissionNM.html

[mcscajun]

5. Well, the "armed services" bit is bunk, but not very much so

Tier 2 - Alternative Credential Holder

The services limit the number of Tier II candidates it will allow to enlist each year. In the Air Force, the limit is less than one percent each year. In such cases, the applicant must score a minimum of 50 on the AFQT to qualify (Note: The "AFQT" is the overall ASVAB score).

Certificate of Attendance. An applicant who possesses an attendance-based certificate or diploma. These are sometimes called certificates of competency or completion, but they are based on course completion rather than a test such as the GED or CHSPE. A person who subsequently obtains a local or state-issued diploma on the basis of an attendance credential is not to be considered a Tier I high school graduate in the Navy, Army and Marine Corps, but may (depending upon State laws) be considered as Tier I for the Air Force.

As to Beauty School, the article could be right:
Education and Training
Educational requirements vary both by state and with the individual schools. In some states, one must be a high school graduate in order to apply for a cosmetology license. In others, a GED is acceptable. If you do not yet have a high school diploma or GED, it is possible that you can be accepted into cosmetology school as long as you are pursuing your diploma or GED at the same time. To be sure, find out the requirements from your local cosmetology school and/or your State Board of Cosmetology.

[kaygore]

6. Here's your answer

CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION

A student who has successfully completed the district standard education diploma requirements, but has failed to meet the state prescribed standards for basic skills, shall be issued a Certificate of Completion. Adult students must request the Certificate of Completion. A former student who was issued a Certificate of Completion and who subsequently meets the requirements to obtain a GED may do so.

http://www.firn.edu/schools/wakulla/wakulla/section_5.html#cer

[kaygore]

7. Here's another site with the same topic

http://forum2.breakthechain.org/viewtopic.php?p=4809&

[kaygore]

8. Same question on a different site

http://forum2.breakthechain.org/viewtopic.php?p=4809&

[serryjw]

11. Look at the url!

That is where this bushit started!

[kaygore]

12. Oops...then go to my first answer

which is "no." They are misreading the guidelines.

The "certificate" mentioned in the guidelines is not the "certificate of completion." If you already have a high school diploma or equivalency degree, then you can't take the GED.

[Elwood P Dowd]

10. Helen Crump gave Ernest T. Bass one of those

"Old Aunt Moriah, jumped in the fire
Fire too hot jumped in the pot
Pot too black, jumped in the crack
Crack too high, jumped in the sky
Sky too blue, jumped in the canoe
Canoe too shallow, jumped in the tallow
Tallow too soft, jumped in the loft
Loft too rotten, jumped in the cotton
Cotton so white, she stayed there all night!"