Can I please ask any gay Duers a question?

[napi21]

I'm watching Prime Time on ABC, and Mary Chaney is on. She has been very open, honest and congenial so far, but they the host asked her about John Edwards making the statement about her being gay in the VP debate. Mary said "That was just not apropriate to bring me into the campaign."

I could see her point if she had been keeping this issue a secret, but she wasn't, by her own admission.

What do you think? Is she right, or is she just supporting her Dad?

[Patsy Stone]

1. That interview

has left me with nothing but pity and some disgust for her. She came across to me as "I've got mine; screw the rest of the people trying to make it in this world". Spoiled and selfish. Also, the length of time she had her eyes closed when she answered some of the final questions like "Do you like President Bush?" make me think she was lying.

I like her less now. I also thought that her comments about being mad at Edwards and Kerry were self-hating and contradictory to her pride in her 14 year relationship. I think she's still very conflicted.

ed: I'm not gay, but I am a yenta. :)

[Kingshakabobo]

2. Bunch a buuuuullshit right up in there...........

.....she was a "Gay" spokesperson for Coors prior to the campaign. She was hardly a closeted shrinking violet. Besides, wasn't she a paid staff-member for her dad's campaign?

[theHandpuppet]

18. Yes. She received a six-figure salary...

... for working on Cheney's re-election campaign.

I highly recommend those with questions about the loathesome Mary Cheney visit this site!

http://www.dearmary.com/

[kevinbgoode]

3. I'm afraid I'm not the best one to answer. . .

I loathe the way Mary Cheney ignores the gay community except when it might line her pockets. And it is nonsense when she says that it wasn't "appropriate to bring me into the campaign." For one thing she was WORKING in the Cheney campaign - for another, she had been out and working for Coors as outreach to the gay community for years - the subject was about the civil rights of gays, and in particular marriage, and she has a longtime partner who she claims to want to spend the rest of her life with. . .and....well, her MOTHER was outrageous in attacking John Kerry for mentioning Mary. Mary Cheney came out to her parents while she was in high school - there isn't an identity issue here for her - and she has to know how damaging her silence has been in the "protect marriage" amendments. I saw one account in which the President offered to give her a chance to give her opinion on same-sex marriage, but Mary declined. . .

She's done quite well making money from Daddy's campaign, and the faux indignation from Lynne during the campaign....and now suddenly she's out plugging her own "tell-all" book. . .people who believe in being PRIVATE don't wait until Daddy gets re-elected and then decide to be PUBLIC simply because there is a buck to be made. . .or in her case, maybe not. I suspect her sales in the gay community will be quite dismal.

[TechBear_Seattle]

4. IMO, she is still whoring for her father

She wasn't only out, she was way out, having held several prominant leadership positions in the gay community. Edwards asking The Dick whether his lesbian daughter -- who had stood with her partner, Heather Poe, beside him at the GOP convention on national television -- supported his bigoted politics was, as far as I'm concerned, a perfectly valid question.

That very question is why she was "disappeared" by her father after the election in 2000. It drew national attention to her hypocricy and permanently destroyed her credibility in the community. It also highlighted the fact that the GOP is quite bigoted and didn't like having that demonstrated on national television. Is there any wonder that Mary is still a bit bitter and still whining the "That's not fair!" moan of the priviledged loser not getting what she wants?

[bliss_eternal]

12. I see her as rather self-hating

of course I could be wrong. As a woman, I could never support someone in my family that ran on a ballot of anti-choice--or anything else that wasn't in my view, in 100% support of women's independence. I realize this is slightly different but bear with me.

I have little respect for someone that claims they are proud of who and what they are, yet campaigns FOR someone that has openly denounced the community as a whole and is for denying an entire population of people equal rights under the law. I'm sorry, but that act in itself seems self-hating. I wouldn't bother to watch her in an interview, if she can't be bothered to support her brothers and sisters in their fight for rights.

She can whine and moan all she wants--I won't be listening...

:hi: TechBear!

[TheFarseer]

5. I'm not gay, but I think this was a legitimate campaign issue.

They were the one's trying to score points on gay bashing, so I thought it was fair to point out that the Vice President has a gay daughter just to say that, this could be YOUR daughter or son or whatever and not some degenerate Satan worshiper that rightwingers try to portray homosexuals as.

If it was legitimate to bash John Kerry's military service because "he was campaigning on it" then this was equally legitimate. Just my take.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. Nonsense. There was no criticism... that I saw, anyway...

of Edwards by Cheney or anyone in his camp after the Veep debate. On the contrary, Cheney "thanked the senator" for praising Cheney for supporting his gay daughter.

Desparate for an issue, Cheney and his wife carried on with crocodile tears when Kerry made precisely the same observation the next week.

[partylessinOhio]

7. Her remarks about her mother's reaction were lies.

Why didn't the interviewer counter that by asking why her mother wrote a book about lesbians?

The Cheneys are all evil people. They have all used the system to further themselves when none of them had anything to offer.

[napi21]

8. Thanks for all the replies. Mary does quite well in a televised

interview, but as I watched her, I didn't feel I was seeing the truth. I'd really love to find out how she really feels about Shrub, and how HEr Party hates her lifestyle!

I just wanted to ask the people here becaause I don't feel capable of understanding what a gay person might feel in Mary's spot.

[Neecy]

9. well, here's what I think...

Mary Cheney is a cheap piece of corporate trash who would sell her soul for a few bucks.

Her fake outrage over Edwards is just politics and her normal greed to suck money out of the fact that she's gay from her corporate benefactors. By boo-hooing over a perfectly valid question Mary is validating the christofascist view of homosexuality as something shameful that should be hidden and spoken of only in whispers. My response would be - so what? Why make a big deal out of something you shouldn't be ashamed of, ever? But poor Mary and her mother who writes lesbian novels acted like they'd just outed the black sheep of the family.

And yes, I'm gay and Mary makes me sick.

[mondo joe]

10. She's supporting her dad. That's all. It's sickening of them to make

a political issue of orientation but then react this way about their own.

[lectrobyte]

11. I think she's just supporting her Dad. And it's fair game to point

out their hypocrisy.

[savemefromdumbya]

13. she was already 'in the campaign' was running her father's campaign

[KAT119]

14. Mary was definitely supporting her dickster-very little truth-lie meter ^

[pitohui]

15. it's her dad

yes, she's supporting her dad, wtf else can she do?

[theHandpuppet]

19. Maybe she could take a clue from Alan Keyes' daughter?

Gee, if my dad was a war criminal I guess I'd have no choice but to play along? Maybe she and Mussolini's daughter could have tea and a chat about family values. I think Mary Cheney, who accepted a six-figure salary from the Cheney re-election campaign, has shown time and again why she is a darling of the Log Cabin Republicans. Let's she why she is so despised among the progressive gay community, shall we? http://www.dearmary.com/

On the other hand, there is Maya Marcel-Keyes, daughter of Alan Keyes and a Point Foundation scholar: http://www.thepointfoundation.org/scholars/marcel-keyes.html

[goclark]

24. Bravo for Maya Keyes! The Link is awesome!

I love the "family values" that this "loving family" represents.

When will the RIGHT/WRONG Party wake up?

[LostinVA]

22. You can support your Dad but not his policies

Like Mel Gibson and his Holocaust denier dad... he refuses to slam his father's views. I don't expect him to slam his Dad, but his views? Yes.

The same with Mary Cheney.

And, as another poster says, look at Keyes' daughter. Or Chastity Bono.

On a personal note, my father is quite conservative. I support my Dad personally, but I would never, EVER publicly support his views.

Mary Cheney is a hypocrite, selfish, and an oppotunist.. kinda like Alan Keyes, actually...

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Oh, yeah. No one knew.

Pfffffffffft.

[radfringe]

17. it's crap

her sexual orientation was "divulged" during the 2000 campaign

The issue of gay marriage came up during the Lieberman/Cheney debate - it was mentioned then - so when Edwards brought it up the question of Mary's orientation was already common knowledge

Lieberman, Cheney spar over tax cuts, budget surpluses
By Brigitte Greenberg, Associated Press, 10/05/00
http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/vp_debate_lead.shtml

DANVILLE, Ky. -- Republican Dick Cheney and Democrat Joseph Lieberman disagreed firmly but politely Thursday night about military readiness, tax cuts and the future of Social Security in a gentlemanly debate of campaign understudies.

---snip---

When the subject turned to legalized gay marriage, the rivals responded gingerly. Lieberman said "my mind is open" though he wants to preserve the institution of heterosexual marriage.

Cheney, who has an openly gay daughter, said people should be open-minded and tolerant of gays but the issue of gay marriage is "not a slam dunk." He said it was appropriate for states to regulate marriage. "I think different states are likely to come to different conclusions."

[dsc]

20. My answer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x33878

[LostinVA]

21. She is, to borrow from another demographic group, an "Uncle Tom."

She disgusts me. She sold out the rights of every gay American just to get some high-paying job. Her partner sat next to her when Cheney got his nom -- she should also be ashamed. Supporting a Conservative Dad is one thing -- tacitly supporting his disgusting anti-gay policies by sitting in silent approval is another. She makes me SICK.

And, she is openly gay. There was no problem having it brought up in the debates. I think it was a good thing -- it showed the hypocrisy of the GOP's anti-gay policies. SHE brought herself into the campaign... Edwards didn't.

[Puglover]

23. This reminds of the brohaha when Kerry and Edwards mentioned

this dismal woman in a POSITIVE way during their campaign, and Lynn and DICKs faux outrage. Why in the HELL didn't Kerry and Edwards hit back with something like "Can it, she makes 6 figures at Coors trying to reach out to the gay almighty buck, she's hardly in the closet." But to knowledge as with many other things the campaign was silent. And I'm not a Kerry basher, just was not pleased with the way he let his advisor's run the campaign.

[TahitiNut]

25. "Can I please ask any gay Duers a question?" You just did.

So, it seems you do have the ability to do so. :evilgrin: :dunce: :silly:

Yeah ... I'm a literalist. :hide: "Mother, may I? :rofl:

[terrya]

26. But she was working for Bush/Cheney 2004

And she was openly gay for several years before. The campaign knew she was gay, the White House knew she was gay, the Cheney family certainly knew she was gay.

That whole phony "We're SO offended that you brought her orientation up" stuff Lynne Cheney and others brought up following that debate and that Mary Cheney herself apparently is peddling is just that...phony as hell.

She's supporting "dear old" Dad. There was nothing wrong with John Edwards bringing it up. It's all about hypocrisy. John Edwards isn't the one that is pushing a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. This adminstration...and her father...is.