Rove says Jump.. and we always oblige!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

He said JUMP around this time before the presidential elections regarding Gay Marriage and we jumped.

He says JUMP over Illegal Immigrants right before the midterm elections and we jump.

GD is full of threads about Illegal Immigrants now and was full of Gay Marriage threads in 2004.

Gay couples and illegal immigrants have been around for a while...but we didnt tear us ourselves up over it till Rove dictated it.


Its sad how naive we are.

[vi5]

1. Agreed 100%....

Sometimes I really do wonder if our side is actually smarter or not.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. we are not any brighter or more aware of how politics works

this is all fucking ridiculous!

[wildhorses]

3. sometimes I can't tell a lugnut from a wingnut

:popcorn:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. whats a lugnut?

[wildhorses]

6. me and you....

:hug:






they are wingnuts and we are lugnuts

















this thread needs pictures

[greekspeak]

7. I know what a wedge issue is, and I think most DUers do.

I know it is political playtime. I know the diversionary, potentially socially splintering possibilities of these maneuvers. It effectively rouses up the hatemongers, and detracts attention away from serious issues like monarchical executive rule, congressional rubber-stamping, holocaust via hurricane, and domestic spying.

But this crap that Rove et al start DOES get legislation and ammendments on ballots and on the books as law. When the wedge in the issue is being pounded into your own head, you cannot brush it off completely. Are we all to just ignore these tactics? Pretend they have no real world ramifications? Many on the right won't be happy until legislation is passed allowing open hunting season on "furners" and "fags."

[Crankie Avalon]

5. Don't blame me, I'm still going on about how great Stephen Colbert was.n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. lol! i agree. now thats a good issue to go on about

he was spectacular!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. You must be talking to the 10% on DU that get worked up about....

...those issues.

Evidently, you're one of those 10% since you felt compelled to start yet another thread about it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. my thread isnt about immigration or gay rights

its about being duped by politicians and being slightly more politically pragmatic

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. IMHO, your post is yet another typical rant on DU that includes....

...immigration or gay rights.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. imho....you are wrong

[11 Bravo]

32. Don't say pragmatic!!!

You have to call it "the P-word". (It's a really dirty word around here.)

[jonnyblitz]

19. so where did this 10% number come from, out of your ass?

I never saw that poll and I haven't seen all these threads Pri has started on these issues since you claim she is starting "yet another thread". :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. if he needs a comprehension class, so do you

this thread isnt about the rights issues as much as its about understanding politics issue.

[robbedvoter]

10. It's Abramoff's wackos who do the jumping

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. You have no idea what you're talking about. Get back in the lounge.

Just kidding. I agree with you.

:hi:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. why thank you dear!

:hi:

[Imperialism Inc.]

12. I agree.

Which is why i have more or less ignored the issue entirely. Immigration is a desperation ploy. Stir up some xenophobia. Direct people to funnel their energies against "the others". A feeling that runs pretty deep through their base. The "we Americans are God's gift to the universe and everyone else is so much expendable garbage" sentiment that guides their base's foreign policy outlook. And, that's what it is, an effort to hold on to their base. The "wackos" strategy as someone already posted. Even the republican base cannot stand Bush anymore but they need a way to make sure it doesn't carry over to the whole party. So they figure the immigration issue will bring some sheep back in to the fold. So when they go in to the voting booth they pull the lever for an 'R' to make sure someone does something about "them furiners".

[peacetalksforall]

13. He said CRUSADE and they had one against Muslims. After the

hate Muslim was successful, he then pumped up the hate war against Hispanics because it brings the 'hate base' together' so that understanding INS policies doesn't have to be a burden and the dependency of business on the illelgals does not have to be explained.

His is a hate agenda with his hate base and they lap it up without thinking. Loyal resopnders. It's Ok to forget about the teaching of Jesus while you hate.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. exactly i wish atleast dems would look at the whole issue

pragmatically before they started quoting right wing talking points...take away our jobs...ruin the institution of marriage...blah! blah! blah!

[Deja Q]

17. K&R

You are absolutely right.

:hug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. thanks hypno!

:hi:

[treestar]

18. The challenge is to ignore them.

One time I was in a political debate with colleagues and one right winger started up on the problem of welfare

My friend, a democrat, shrugeed and said, "what's wrong with welfare?"

Like he wasn't even going to debate the subject. There is a welfare program. End of story.

There are immigration laws. Many aliens in the U.S. have no valid immigrant or nonimmigrant status. They are deportable. Period. Go ask ICE to deport them. All.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. exactly...

if we took the whats wrong with gay marriage or illegal immigration these issues would die down...


but no, we have to jump!

[JNelson6563]

20. So easily distracted

but then again, there are more political observers than actual activists on DU so don't take it as an indicator for all.

Julie

[ScreamingMeemie]

26. It is hard to keep our feet firmly planted in the soil...but I try.

I've tried (and succeeded but for once) to avoid the immigration threads. I always imagine a room full of Republicans laughing over the circular firing squad they've created.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

27. exactly. i sincerely think the Reelect Repubs To Screw You Over

think tanks, are sitting there laughing their fucking asses off.

[demobabe]

28. It's called herd mentality

And I agree with you completely. Add to that whole mess the media beating the drum...

[Jigarotta]

29. have to sadly agree.

It's so DAMN OBVIOUS!

bah, predictable human nature.

[mdmc]

30. wait until they bring out the gay immigrants! It will be pogo stick time!

K / R

Let the people stay! We are all humans.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. also let us remember what being compassionate means

[mdmc]

33. compassion should be the origin of all politics

:kick: and of all action.

[ContraBass Black]

35. For the next mass scapegoating, I think they'll target video games.

The lines are already in place.

Hi, Lioness.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. or gay illegal immigrants

or kittens!

[ContraBass Black]

37. Say, it's been a while since the took a good swing at Africans.

Al-Queda in Africa did it!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. feminists and their cats did it!

[skygazer]

39. You are so right

I've stayed right out of this one - it's like a feeding frenzy.

Good post. :thumbsup:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. thank you