BREAKING: REPUBLICAN RIGHT ABANDONING BUSH ACCORDING TO AP POLL

[Halliburton]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12643666/

I guess that Fox News poll was phony. No wonder they got it out so quick.

[Botany]

1. Why do you hate America?

It is all Clinton's fault too.

[gilpo]

2. Damn Clenis!

[warrens]

3. It's conservatives, not the far right

Those loonies are sticking by him no matter what he does. If he broke in to their houses and raped their teenage daughters, they'd just thank him and make their daughter name the resulting kid George or Georgette.

[babylonsister]

4. See that light over there? nt

[shain from kane]

5. Do you mean the Hindenburg is burning? Or the light at the end

of the tunnel?

[babylonsister]

6. That could be taken numerous ways, such as

lightbulbs going off:think:, seeing the light, and I do like that Hindenburg reference! :D

[elehhhhna]

7. The thousand points of light -- they're bulbs snapping on for Reeps.

[azurnoir]

8. There are 5 lights

according to *co.

[formerrepuke]

9. When rats flee a sinking ship, where do they go?..........n/t

[leesa]

13. Unfortunately to the only other Party in town!

[samplegirl]

10. well maybe

Tony Snow can give this administration the boost
it needs.

[Arugula Latte]

21. Yes, they just need to get their message out.

:rofl:

Hey, Pukes ... We've heard your message! That's why you're tankin'!

[symbolman]

11. They are NOT Conservatives OR Republicans

They are CORPORATISTS, and the sooner the Democrats start screaming that the better..

Keep hammering, that these RUBBER STAMPERS FOR BUSH, have nothing BUT Dollar SIGNS in their eyes, and could care less about their country, their flag or their troops..

They are the TAX and SPEND REPUBLICANS. They TAX the POOR with GASOLINE HIKES and SPEND all the MONEY on the DEFENSE INDUSTRY.

THEY have created the BIGGEST GOVT in history, one that will kick your door down and search your possessions.

THEY have BIG SEX PARTIES ON YOUR TAX DOLLARS, 21 MILLION in LIMOS and HOOKERS at the Watergate, the same place that cost Nixxon his Presidency.

THAT is unAmerican, and disgusting.

PUSH DEMOCRATS, PUSH!

[marions ghost]

12. from the article

"Republicans fear an Election Day massacre."

They should. Watch them trundle out the old fear-based messages and magic disappearing vote boxes. The smoke and mirrors is about to begin. But maybe too many watching the show are seeing behind the curtain? We can hope.

[cdb]

14. Sounds ominous:

“It’s going to take some events of significance to turn this around,” GOP pollster Whit Ayres said. “I don’t think at this point you can talk your way back from those sorts of ratings.”

perhaps it is time for a staged terror attack or an Iranian airstrike... would capturing Zarqawi or OBL qualify as "events of significance" ??

[katinmn]

16. They are trying to shift attention with the bird flu

Junior's press conference this week and all the scary news stories were carefully orchestrated to try to get people back on the terror track.

[keepthemhonest]

19. yeah they are probably trying to get one of those birds here as we

speak

[BrklynLiberal]

20. By scaring the people they invoke the Strict Father model, and hope the

sheeple will go running back to "Daddy". :puke:

Back to politics. I do not believe that conservative or liberal values are taught. I believe they are the result of growing up in a particular environment, characterized by a particular childrearing philosophy of the parents. I wrote more about this below, in the "Moral Order" post. The conservative Strict Father model of childrearing is a harsh stick-and-carrot approach. If a child falls and scrapes his/her knees, the parent adds the insult to the injury by chiding the child for not paying attention or for being clumsy. The point is to make the child "tough" and self-reliant. A Nurturant Parent will pick up the kid and give hugs and kisses, fully understanding that falling is a natural part of growing up, and that the experience of falling naturally leads to being more careful (and nimble) in the future. From a child's perspective, sudden pain and fear is aggravated by the beloved parent getting angry. The child withdraws and learns to control one's own emotions. The child becomes numb to its own feelings and emotions (almost autistic in a sense). A person who does not feel much about oneself cannot possibly feel empathy for other people. Thus a Republican is raised. Of course there will be no lighting up of amygdala at the sight of 9/11 attack. Of course it is easy to cynically use 9/11 for political purposes. On the other hand, empathy is the very core moral value of the liberal worldview and the liberal parent's loving response demonstrates the power of empathy to the hurt child, thus reinforcing the value further. Thus a Democrat is raised. Of course such a person will respond emotionally to the sight of Twin Towers falling. Of course such a person will find it appalling that such an event can be used as a pretext for starting an unwarranted war, using the event for political purposes, or even making the ad that was used in this study. Of course such a person would feel much greater and more urgent personal need to make sure that such an event never happens again, and will put much time and effort into learning how to make America safer and implementing the best possible strategy.

The inert, the moderate, the uninformed, the independents, whatever you may call them are quite capable of switching between the two modes. They may use one at home, another at work. What was their upbringing? A combo (e.g., Strict Mother and Nurturant Father)? Perhaps neglectful, or over-permissive childrearing? Single parent family? How do they respond to devastating events? How much empathy do they have? How will they respond to a possible October surprise? Who are they going to vote for on November 2nd? I wish I knew, and I wish the researchers have done a better job with their study so we could glean at least some ideas about these important questions.

http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/2004/09/political-brain.html

http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/2004/10/bush-frogs-baboons-horses-and-manic.html

The Strict Father Model
http://www.wwcd.org/issues/Lakoff.html#STRICT

[BrklynLiberal]

17. Exactly! That is the thing to be frightened of. They would lose a fair

election in a heartbeat...BUT. The biggestquestion is would the CORPORATISTS, the NEOCONS, BushCO and Cronies ever allow a legitimate election?
I doubt it. If they can't beat you, they will cheat you. Any way they can.
They have done it before, in 2000, 2002, & 2004, and even earlier.
There is no way that these guys are going to allow the people of this country to vote them out of office!!
We have to be so very careful and vigilant.

It scares the hell out of me. I am afraid that I cannot even imagine what they have up their sleeves to hold onto the power they have accrued. :scared:

[katinmn]

15. Scarborough was interviewing Matthews last night and they

were ganging up on Junior and the GOP pretty hard.

Called the $100 rebate idea (which tanked) "stupid" and hammered home the point that the war is without a mission or an end in sight.

I don't normally watch either of them so this hammering away at BushCo comes as a welcome surprise.

[BrklynLiberal]

18. Who allowed Matthews out of his "I LOVE W" cage?

[katinmn]

27. He flips back and forth.

[Norquist Nemesis]

22. Only 45% of them?

Does that mean the 55% are the evangelical wing-nuts?

[Gregorian]

23. But they are not abandoning the Republican party.

And that is what bothers me. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. They simply will not peek over the fence to see what's on the other side. It's Bush! But no, it's not Bush. The Republican philosophy is a slanted one. It does not support the standards set in the Constitution. That's my understanding of it.

It's like the guy on The Daily show, the other night. The guy who is 24 years old. He wrote some book about how the republican party needs to change, and be less criminal, or something. All through the interview I kept saying to myself, why did he write a book? Why did he go to all of the trouble of trying to write a book to tell the republican party what it could be doing, when all he had to do was register as a Democrat?

This is what is bothering me. There will be no converts. Just another president. Just change the image.

[IronLionZion]

25. Do we really need more conservative Democrats?

Splintering the GOP is great but we can do it without moving further to the right.


I think I saw that episode too. He wasn't happy with either party and claimed to be an independent conservative. Bush and his cronies are NOT conservative and they are militantly AGAINST free enterprise.

[Gregorian]

26. I want a shift to the left.

I don't see how splintering the repub party moves anything to the left. Unless it causes them to lose elections.

I'm not much of a thinker. I'm a dreamer. I dream about was, and what can be. But what is, is just unacceptable. If a repub moves to the left, I would welcome them into the party. Maybe I don't see just what constitutes moving to the right. Maybe even more liberal conservatives joining the party is a move to the right. I just feel that these are details in the bigger scheme of things.

I simply cannot believe how fucked up things are. But they've been this way a long time. They're just hyper stupid right now.

I'm selling my property. I keep moving and moving. I keep looking for a place that I can afford, and that has people who are good. And I keep failing. But now as I sit here, I realize I'm not looking for a place as much as a time. I'm trying to buy 1970. It sounds unrelated, but it's part of what we're talking about. It's probably because I grew up not knowing a single repub, ever. It was only recently that I found out about vile humans. Thank god for that. So I want to go back.

Enough of me. It's of no interest to anyone else. I just thought I'd say what is on my mind.

[IronLionZion]

29. the disgruntled repubs have not changed their conservative views

it is the Republican party that has changed. More specifically it is the corporate takeover of that party by neocon extremists who only use conservatives and religious nutjobs to win. I strongly support an internal upheaval of the GOP by real conservatives and/or fundamentalist lunatics. But even if they just stay home on election day it would still help us. That's how a liberal Catholic woman like Kathleen Sebelius became governor of the reactionary state of Kansas. The Republicans were having a tiff between corporate and conservative whackos, and the Dems swooped in and took the election.

Of course the big tent Democratic party would welcome diverse views, but do we really need disgruntled Republicans? And do they really want to join us?

[IronLionZion]

24. Take back house and Senate, impeach Bush, Nancy Pelosi in the whitehouse

President Pelosi has an interesting ring to it..

[Clarkie1]

28. This part is sweet music to my ears...

"The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized."

[chicofaraby]

30. The Ideology Is The Problem.

While George Bush IS a terrible president, the real problem is bigger than any one scumbag, even a scumbag the size of George Bush.

The problem is the right wing ideology of greed and zero-sum economics. That is what needs to change. American voters need to demand practical solutions to real world problems like health care, transportation, a social safety net and a return to sane foreign policy.

It's the greed, hate and viciousness that America needs to turn away from. Not just from George Bush.

[opihimoimoi]

31. My Hat os off to you:Bravo: sending wine and caviar, rost duck and sashimi

kick

[Toucano]

32. With these kind of numbers, how can the MSM still justify their constant

defense of him?

Obviously, the people of the United States are much smarter than the media imagines.

[iamthebandfanman]

33. i just hope

that we use this 'flip flopping' against them come election time.
i mean, it needs to be pointed out that they didnt start changing their minds about their fearless leader until a couple of months before an election and that its a lil to late after 6 years to start dancing a different dance.

[dusty64]

34. This proves that

*'s 33-36% approval rating is bullshit. Almost ALL Democrats, 75% of independents, and now 45% of conservatives loathe the regime. This ought to put his real rating at around 17%.