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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:01 AM
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Here's a case where it absolutely sucks to be right.
Article courtesy of The Guardian.

Remember how everyone at DU saw all this coming years ago, during the buildup and hype to Bush's illegal oil war in Iraq? Remember how DU'ers, and the other handful of "leftie fringe dwellers" (borrowing a term from my freeper brother-in-law) seemed to be the only ones questioning the fact that pulling out of afghanistan, and invading a country that not only had no evidence or ties to 9-11, had been crippled with economic sanctions imposed over the past decade beforehand, and who had it's army dismantled years before? Remember how we were chastised, and dismissed when they were being nice, and were called "fucking traitors" and threatened with violence when they were not?
Real political power in Iraq passed to violent street militias.

The idea that the removal of Saddam's regime would unleash a wave of democratic sentiment across Iraq and the wider Arab world had its brief, heady moment of apparent realization last year with elections in Egypt, Palestine and Iraq. How different things look in 2006. With the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the theocratic Shia parties the main beneficiaries of the vote, the triumphalist "end of history" assumption that democracy will always replicate pro-western outcomes has been exposed for the wishful thinking it always was.



Another case of issues that we brought up, and said was going to happen after "mission accomplished." Again, we were dismissed, mocked, and had our patriotism questioned.
The failure to achieve these war aims would be bad enough in view of the enormous cost in blood and treasure, but there is now considerable evidence to suggest that in most respects the invasion has made a bad situation worse. That there was no Iraqi WMD threat, or even the prospect of one, is less of a problem than that the risks of proliferation have increased. The Blair-Bush-Gadafy axis of desperation may have delivered Libya's paltry WMD programme in exchange for international rehabilitation, but in the far more serious case of Iran, the Iraq quagmire means that Washington has few good options for preventing the mullahs going nuclear.



Here's another thing we said would happen years ago before they declared the mission was accomplished. Remember how Bush kept repeatedly using the words "Al-Queda" and "Iraq" in the same sentence when he was lying his way to stirring up the American sheeple on a "we gotta bomb them A-RABS" frenzy?
The argument that the invasion of Iraq was a natural extension of the war on terror was always weak. In fact, Iraq is a much bigger terrorist threat now that Saddam has gone. Claims of a link between Ba'athism and al-Qaida have become self-fulfilling as Islamists have been able to position themselves in the vanguard of opposition to the occupation. Furthermore, Iraq provides an ideal laboratory for perfecting the kind of terrorism al-Qaida wants to export to the west. Unlike Afghanistan, which was little more than a jihadi playground, Iraq supplies an urban setting, an active theatre of operations and a steady supply of western targets.


Personally, I think it sucks. I think it sucks that everything that we as a party, and an ideology were saying was going to happen, transpired. I think it sucks that now, after we were called everything from "leftie moonbats" and "chicken littles", to "fucking traitors", and "terrorist supporters" it turns out that almost exactly everything that we said came about. And lastly I thing it sucks that these rat-bastards in the White House are not only still trying to tell us that everything is just going great, but they are attributing their absolute, and utter failure on people like us, because we are "dwelling on the negative", and "not talking about all the good stuff that is happening in Iraq."
:argh:

Now the kicker. THEY ARE USING THE EXACT SAME PROPAGANDA TACTICS TO INVADE IRAN. :wtf:

I was thinking before the Iran hype started "surely they won't try the same lies and dirty propaganda tactics that have been so thoroughly picked apart and proven as a disaster, to march us into a two front war in the middle east with Iran now.

Surely they don't think the American people are THAT stupid do they? Obviously they do.

Are we?





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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:03 AM
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1. It's not the "being right" part that sucks
It's very few having enough sense to listen.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:11 AM
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2. Not everybody at DU saw through the hype.
Many here supported the Invasion of Iraq.
The Camp Followers of those Senators who voted FOR the IWR were especially vocal.

I DO agree with your OP. It sucks to be right when the forecast is tragedy.

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:15 AM
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4. some of us knew that afghanistan was done for the wrong reasons
and the wrong way, we didnt have to wait for any iwr.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 12:47 PM
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6. Yes, I opposed the Miliary Invasion of Afghanistan.
That was a minority position at DU.
I proposed :
*dropping Big Macs instead of bombs

*using our military to build massive de-salination water plants along the coastlines...and then leaving.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:12 AM
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3. What will suck even more is when...
...the scum are finally cornered, they'll turn around and use their pet media shills to tell America how it was all really our fault, how the fact that we didn't BELIEVE hard enough undermined their brilliant strategies, how the LIBERAL WHINING sapped America's will and screwed up everything.

And America will believe them.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 11:38 AM
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5. That's what they are already doing.
And aside from a couple of Dem's that are showing a little courage, the rest of the our elected reps are cowering in their respective corners, afraid to call them for the liars that they are.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:13 PM
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7. another example -- global warming
I study climate change impacts, and these days I hope that the latest research is wrong ... listening to * gloating his ass off about "you stupid environmentalists" would be but a small price to pay, if this stuff doesn't happen.

Because, as you say, it would really, REALLY suck to be right, about how bad it could get.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:21 PM
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8. I'm absolutely with you there.
I can't believe that people can be so lackadaisical about the environment in which we live.
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