Official Alito Hearing Thread – Day 3 – Thread 10

[helderheid]

Get it while it's HOT!

[SW FL Dem]

1. CNN reporting Mrs. Alito left hearing in tears

after questions from Lindsey Graham

[helderheid]

2. are they showing video of it?

I missed it - I am listening to this in the background.

[Greybnk48]

5. I was gone, what happened?

What did Graham say??

[sasha031]

24. Oh you are so gorgeous and wonderful he is

he proceeded to read off compliments from other, it was the most disgraceful scene I have ever seen.
He wouldn't shut up, over and over how wonderful Alcreepo is

I am paraphrasing, but it was awful...these repukes are obscene

[Edgewater_Joe]

29. So She Left Because She Knows Alito's Going Off With Graham?

BrokeGraham Mountain!

[sasha031]

34. could be

:beer: :rofl:

[robbedvoter]

45. The guy wanting women out of Princeton? What are the odds?

I found it interesting that she laughed during the attacks and cryied during the ass kissing. Paging Dr. Freud.

[sasha031]

11. questions from Lindsey Graham!!!!!!!

What a LIE. Graham kissed his ass, he was falling all over the guy!

[Mind_your_head]

18. Hopefully the tears are b/c she sees her hubby may not

"get the nod" after all.

[lyonn]

38. This is their life! The Alito family

Daughter can see here legal career skyrocketing!!

Mom sees a Life!!

That woman looks like she lacks a soul. Grins like it is all just a routine Sam needs to go through to control American justice for 30 - 40 years. Sam is what America needs. When Dems are up she has a routine for that too. Really weird family I would say. Grandma takes pill during the hearing. One guy grabs the bottom of his shoe frantically while Sam is answer a difficult real question. Signals I figured.

Excuse me, I'm losing it.

[Mind_your_head]

70. D*mn right it's important to the Alito family

But it's even MORE important to the AMERICAN family - all of us 'regular folks' who have to actually LIVE with what the highest court in the land proclaims!

(I know all real DU'ers know this already).

[stepnw1f]

21. More GOP Dramatics... How Transparent

I saw how she smirked when Arlen was speaking to and about Ted Kennedy. What an evil little douche bag she is.

[realFedUp]

42. a drama created by CNN also...this is just a distraction...nt

[realFedUp]

3. Cornyn apologizes for calling Alito "Scalito" yesterday

these guys are running out of steam and praise.

[chelsea0011]

9. I liked his comment,"the media had left and maybe that's a good thing"

late into yesterday's hearing. That about sums up repukes. We want nothing reported.

[realFedUp]

33. yep...except the spin they are getting from it to sell this guy.

one man's media is another man's propoganda.

[LSK]

4. the million dollar question - whats in those CAP records?

[realFedUp]

6. It would be good to know. nt

[hang a left]

10. there better be something or we are going to look real bad. n/t

[stepnw1f]

30. Hey... Who Cares What WeThink We Will Look Like

Let's do the right thing here. Snap out of it, ok? Worrying about PR is a waste of time right now. MSM anybody?

[hang a left]

36. Well he was ground on pretty good on this issue...

All I am saying is I hope there is a there there. First rule of a trial lawyer is never ask a question you don't have an answer to. I would think all the time spent on this issue could have been constructive in another area. We disagree here.

[lyonn]

52. Exactly, Dems are getting too damn gun shy

We have lost the House, Senate, Courts. How could we do any worse? They need to do their job or get out. They appear stupid when it comes to politicing. Sheesh. Do Something, even if it's wrong!!!

[babylonsister]

13. Specter said they'd be released, correct? And it could

take WEEKS to sort through them? :evilgrin: I had to leave and that's what was happening before I left.

[hang a left]

20. it was reported on another thread that Kennedy aides were dispatched

to look them over. Hopefully they wanted to move quick in case anything gets "lost".

[babylonsister]

23. Thanks, hang a left! nt

[hang a left]

7. This was a post at the end of the locked thread

I was wondering if anyone knows when CAP was disbanded. If it was in between 85 and 90 it could be why it didn't appear on his application in 1990.



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111. Dujack's article in the Princetonian


Alito needs to shed his CAP

Almost 20 years ago, the Concerned Alumni of Princeton (CAP) collapsed like a modern House of Usher, so rotten from within from its own deceptions and peculiar madness that it could no longer sustain its own weight. For Supreme Court nominee Judge Samuel Alito '72, the reappearance of CAP in the national press last week because he included it on that now infamous 1985 job application must have been as shocking as the reappearance of Roderick Usher's dead twin sister in Poe's famous story.

Or, it should have been. At the very least, Judge Alito will have to explain to the Senate Judiciary Committee why he paid dues to an outfit whose modus operandi was deceit and dirty tricks. He will have to explain how he permitted himself to belong to an organization that was overtly racist and sexist for its entire 14-year existence ­— at times passionately so, too.

Even today, they lie. The Daily Princetonian reported Friday that CAP's longtime board member Andrew Napolitano '72 denies that the group opposed coeducation! This is like denying that the Catholic Church opposed abortion. Opposition to the presence of women at Princeton was CAP's central precept. Fortunately, your reporter quoted co-founder Shelby Cullom Davis '30 writing in Prospect, CAP's member magazine, in 1973, that he could not "envisage" a future student body of 40 percent women and minorities. More important, according to a 1977 New Yorker article, the group used the same language in its fund raising.

From its founding in 1972 till its unlamented demise in 1986, CAP was an organization that at first openly opposed full coeducation and the representative inclusion of minorities at Princeton, and then when those became "settled issues," continued its opposition to the mere presence of women and minorities at Princeton through tactics ranging from code words to open harassment.

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2005/11/22/op...

[yourout]

14. They scrubbed the Link!

Serious scrambling going on behind the scene.

[hang a left]

25. no way

:wow:

[jhain]

44. e mail and complain!

I did.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. "I'm not like anyone else on the Supreme Court"

No, he's worse.

[realFedUp]

15. this stuff from the right is just distracting....

hehehe. so Ed's boys read DU.

[Surya Gayatri]

19. "I am who I am"

"I'm not someone else"--:wow: :wow: I can't believe this.

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. I thought he was reading a Dr Suess story?

Green eggs and ham I am Sam.

[Surya Gayatri]

93. LOL!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[chelsea0011]

12. trust me. We have a clear picture of you.

[hang a left]

16. Can you link to the other threads....

that way people reading this later can follow the hearings more closely.

[radio4progressives]

17. There seems to me to be a an extreme level of defensiveness

given the extreme attacks against Dems asking legitimate quesions, and given that they've got the votes to confirm.

why the fuck are they make a such a huge deal of a "minority opinion" -

they're in power, they are relishing in their power, why are they so fucking defensive?

on edit to ask: why are they acting like they're going to LOSE this confirmation when all the "indicators" dictate they've got their extreme right winger in place?

[gkhouston]

22. they don't want their "authority" to be questioned. If we keep

pushing back, they might gradually lose their control, as senators defect. Also, it could be that they want to provoke a fiery filibuster to distract from the Abramoff scandal.

[Edgewater_Joe]

27. Why Do You Think?

I bet they know they can't pull the trigger on the NookYouLur OpShun because they don't think they have the votes.

[realFedUp]

28. They've run out of stuff to say....this is all Ed G's stuff

because they are reading us.

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Excellent point, radio

Given their apparent position of power, you'd think they'd be more magnanimous. Me thinks they do protest too much--what're they trying to draw attention away from?

[radio4progressives]

43. It's as if they're afraid...

that if their "guy" doesn't get a significant majority of the vote to confirm, then that factor might give legitimacy to any argument that might say, the new Right Wing Scotus, does NOT have "enough" of a (legitimate) mandate to over turn Roe, etc, given that the "support" for Scalito wasn't as broad, and therefore "popular" as they would hope - representing the broad swath of America, etc.

does that make sense?

[Surya Gayatri]

97. Yeah, a lot of sense...

Good analysis from the base's point of view. But do the "powers behind the throne" really want Roe overturned? It's their perennial red flag to wave in front of the "fundie bulls". How else will they fire up their base?

[realFedUp]

26. Cornyn quotes from Cass Sunstein

He didn't quote him fully...this is what he
said on Al Franken's show this morning.
Not verbatim:

Mr. Sunstein said that Alito's ruled on a few cases
where he dissented with the majority of his conservative
collegues seated with him because he was MORE CONSERVATIVE than
them.

[dogday]

31. And he thought this affiliation (CAP)

would impress the Reagan administration.... What does that tell you about that administration?

[Edgewater_Joe]

35. So He Lied On His Job Application?

If anybody in the real world does that, s/he gets fired -- anybody remember George O'Leary losing the Notre Dame job for just such a fib?

[Spazito]

40. He didn't lie on his application, he belonged to the group he

listed, he is lying under oath now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. and that's why Kennedy wants the CAP file from the Library of Congress.

Too bad they've probably been keeping their shredders busy the last few days.:(

[robbedvoter]

37. or the impartiality we can expect from Scalito for that matter

[realFedUp]

39. Break for 15 minutes

Spector's wondering if there should be another round.

[helderheid]

41. I hope they'll take more calls.

[realFedUp]

46. this is a good caller on Dem line. nt

[Debau2005]

51. Now a Republican

According to her Alito is a fine man, with a beautiful family, blah blah blah...

[helderheid]

47. yes - numbers

202 585-3885 for Dems
202 585-3886 for Republicans
202 585-3887 for Independents

[Blue Poppy]

60. Some dumb bint just called in

and said that the Dems were so mean to Mrs. Alito. Boo hoo. Then she ends with "I have 3 words for Senator Kennedy, Mary Jo Kopechne."
Get some new material you stupid cow!!!
:grr:

[Mind_your_head]

80. Does anyone know the name of the young man killed by Laura Bush's car

when she had the auto accident that killed him?

(I don't believe Laura was married at that time, so it would be Laura *maiden nam*'s car)

If you bring up Mary Jo Kopechne, bring THIS up as well....same idea.

[Dinger]

90. Would Someone PLEASE Call In And Say "MARGIE SCHOEDINGER'!

Then tell them to google it. Make up aq bs thing to say. Call in on the Dem line, sounding "moderate" (DLC) and then let 'er rp when you get on. Listen for me - I'm going to try if I get a chance tonight.

[Surya Gayatri]

54. Caller saying

"he should be 'elected' 'cause he has such a nice family!!

[LSK]

49. fake democrat call in time

[realFedUp]

50. New Jersey caller saying he has a good family

and that's why he should be confirmed?

yeah, right lady. Bet she thought that
about Democratic nominees also.

[LSK]

53. whats fucking disgraceful??????????????????

Senate confirmation is to ASK QUESTIONS, not KISSASS!!!!

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

55. I am convinced that he cannot be seated.

It is about privacy and the right of a woman to control her own body. There will be hell to pay if Alito is confirmed, IMHO. We have come to far to let it get to this.

Take A Stand! It is settled law, and if Scalito is elevated to the SCOTUS, we are destined for civil war.

[realFedUp]

76. I hope you are right...

I don't have much hope that that will happen
and we will with this appointment see the end to
many of our rights and the further strengthening
of corporate control, lessening of our rights
and more big brother.

[spuddonna]

56. There is NO FUCKING WAY the people calling in on CSPAN are Dems!

You have got to be shitting me... There's no way...

[Debau2005]

57. Agreed.

I turned it for a few minutes.

[Debau2005]

65. WOW

The woman calling about her mother dying from unlicensed abortion during the depression was POWERFUL!

[Rainscents]

58. Right wings are jaming Dems line!

[helderheid]

59. It's freepers calling in on the dem lines. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

66. Great call from

Repub woman against Alito's stand on abortion. Mother died from backstreet job.

[hang a left]

61. They are crapping thier pants.

Alito is a no-go.

[sasha031]

64. how about the idiot woman who called

screaming at Dem's because LG made the wife cry

these F#%ing idiots don't even know a dem from a rethug

[helderheid]

62. OH MY GOD the republican caller's story is heartbreaking.

I am in tears!!

[dogday]

63. The woman caller right now is great

Mother died from backroom abortion. Says it is a crime to force woman to do that again...

[helderheid]

68. and she's a REPUBLICAN

[helderheid]

69. back!

[spuddonna]

67. A REPUBLICAN caller is upset Alito wouldn't answer the Roe v Wade

...because her mother had to have an abortion. (I believe her mother died?) She said she had a 'chill that went down her spine' and says she understands womens problems, but as a product of that archaic idea that women can't decide these things for herself, she doesn't support Alito.

[helderheid]

71. This is a lifetime appointment after all!

[in_cog_ni_to]

74. Right and the repukes are trying to trivialize that fact.

That's because they WANT Roe v. Wade overturned.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Yay! Durbin's back! Leahy and Kennedy?

Did I hear that Feingold wants to come back tomorrow?

[hang a left]

77. I heard Leahy say that everyone on his side wanted more time nt

[realFedUp]

73. Durbin's on

Quit complaining about the time...this
is a lifetime powerful position. The Apprentice
takes longer!

[helderheid]

78. LMAO!! Good point on the Apprentice!!

[realFedUp]

79. asking about Lemon test...religion....nt

[realFedUp]

81. personal and religious belief.....

What role would his personal religious beliefs
would have if he was on the SC...

sounds like a scripted answer from Alito

[realFedUp]

82. Ask him if he's Opus Dei

Following up on that answer, does this protect
the non-believers.

Alito says yes.

[realFedUp]

86. Asks him about the Blackhorse case....

regarding a graduation prayer...was it coercing
non-believers?

Alito takes the long route around this answer
again...wasting time.

Alito said his decision fell on the side of individual student speech.
Durbin said how can you protect the rights of the minority?

[realFedUp]

92. This is a good example of how Alito interprets the laws nt

[realFedUp]

95. good line of questioning on religion...substance, not fill.

[Debau2005]

84. I bet the fundies

did not like his answer about people having the right to NOT practice a religious belief.

[radio4progressives]

104. But I bet they're loving the fact that Scalito thinks that there is a

Hostility to Religion..

[radio4progressives]

87. Durbin spefically asked where he comes down, and then Scalito lectures

us on all the three theories - Durbin had ask AGAIN where does he come down, and he lies, pretending he hasn't sorted that out for himself yet.

This is probably the most lying judge in confirmation that i've seen so far.

[Surya Gayatri]

89. Obligatory prayer

before a football game--what's his position. Violation of the "Establishment Clause"?

[in_cog_ni_to]

83. YAY! Durbin asked about his personal beliefs. NOW ask about how he feels

PERSONALLY about ABORTION. FAIR question.

[hang a left]

85. Ah HA!!!!!! CAP disbanded in 1989.

THis is why CAP appeared on the 1985 application and not the 1990 application. Not a lack of memory.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. Hahahahahahahaha! That's funny!

L-I-A-R

I bet he was a member for YEARS.

[radio4progressives]

91. how do you know? where is that information? i missed if it was brought up

in the hearing, who brought it up or where is it published?

[hang a left]

94. see this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x111455

[Viva_La_Revolution]

96. Jebus! I leave for a few hours and all hell breaks loose!

:wow:

[LSK]

98. wb - Schumer is actually semi-popular on DU now

;)

[realFedUp]

100. Schumer's great....not all his votes but he's a good questioner

[realFedUp]

99. lol...the media just likes a dramatic moment as do DUers...nt

[helderheid]

107. hahah!

[Avalux]

101. OMG - Coburn is such a DICKHEAD!!!!

He's a physician and LYING about the consequences of abortion, none of which have been proven. If he has a current medical license, it should be yanked. :mad:

[Greybnk48]

106. He's pulling these studies out of his butt.

You are right. Spewing this crap in public is malpractice in my opinion.

[Dinger]

102. What Happened To The Other Nine Threads?

Just asking

[Avalux]

111. Other nine threads:

Thread 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x106359

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x106806#107023

Thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x107348#107929

Thread 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=108042&mesg_id=108042

Thread 5
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x108345

Thread 6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=109206&mesg_id=109206

Thread 7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=109823&mesg_id=109823

Thread 8
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=110437&mesg_id=110437

Thread 9
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=110831&mesg_id=110831

[Debau2005]

103. Coburn...

WHAT...Where does he get his facts that women that had abortion are more likely to commit suicide, or be addicts?

As a woman I am HUGELY offended.

[Avalux]

114. He's a physician - and a disgusting piece of shit.

As a woman, I can't say what I'd like to do to him right now.

[WinkyDink]

105. The question I would ask:

"What do you mean by 'a law that is consistent with the Constitution', and can you give us an example of a CURRENT one---not anything from 50 or 100 years ago---that would not, in your opinion, be so 'consistent'?"

Follow-up: "Is it legal, in your opinion, for a President himself to decide whether or not any particular law is 'consistent with the Constitution'and thus perhaps not worthy of being obeyed?"

[radio4progressives]

109. He's been flip flopping and using double standards throughout this

entire hearing. Please explain to me how this Senate could possibly see him as a Justice that can be relied on for consistancy. Other than that he will be consistently right of the most extreme right on every decision.

[radio4progressives]

108. and now Scalito is being asked to offer his Medical Opinion -

on the medical (mental) impact on woman who have had abortions.

[leftstreet]

113. LOL - 2 white guys, no medical degrees, discussing women's reproduction

Did they bring any pictures?

:rofl:

[Avalux]

115. Coburn is a physician - that's what makes this so obscene. n/t

[evirus]

110. R: "an im not talking about abortion"

my response "well you have a realy freaking funny way of not talking about abortion"

[Viva_La_Revolution]

112. Thread #11 up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x111989

[Avalux]

116. Locking. Go here for thread #11 -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x111989