So, Porter Goss is gone because Negroponte rode into the mix...

[bridgit]

and declared him to be "not a team player", in this world where Rumsfeld runs amok as a crazy proxy war tyrant without checks & balances, working up his own black, scurrilous, dark hearted intel budget; is there any CIA left? should there be? or has the agency surrendered all of it's turf?

[robbedvoter]

1. It's the last meme of the mediawhores...my local news too

No HOOKERZ!

[bridgit]

3. it's like randi mentioned today, the 'hookerz' weren't gender specific...

and that's pretty creepy :scared: i say these turds are going down in flaming pieces :thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

2. As Olbermann posited, is the CIA going the way of FEMA? nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. Ha! Absolutely not! They've been leaking like crazy since....

...the day Tenet demanded that the DoJ launch a criminal investigation into the Valerie Plame outing.

The last two LEGALLY elected presidents that bucked the CIA failed to finish their then-current terms...JFK and Nixon.

[babylonsister]

8. So they could both become nonentities. nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

4. That's the official cover story, yes. But is it the real reason? No.

[bridgit]

6. i think they're getting ready to jump iran and they want someone...

in there who'll massage the field data all over again

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. I think that may be why key NeoCons are getting removed....

...because the consensus behind the scenes is that the NeoCons are NOT going to be allowed to make another illegal and immoral attack in the Middle East.

[bridgit]

9. were they to try imo the entire world would spontaneously combust...

and it will be an evil, wicked world scene to behold

[PATRICK]

10. Two ways to look at

Negroponte rushing in but both reach the same conclusion. He and his circle will decide the next reorganization of the Intel community. He would have been brought in anyway to help clean up this mess in his official role so it might not be a planned beheading. Goss has only shown himself a liability in the scandal suggestions. There was no need to replace him from the CIA's already emasculated national role. What gets an official to resign or be replaced? Chertoff is still around. Scapegoats get tossed to the wolves occasionally. Moderate non-cronies drop like leaves.

Probably a big scandal of the type to disgust Bush's "solid base" of sex-based moralists. All policy is politics chez Bush.

[bridgit]

11. that seems right...

although bush's pick, goss had a shit rep everywhere

[Jack Rabbit]

13. See my post (number 12, below)

Even an imperialist thug needs profiessionalism at the CIA. Goss was just a bad idea.

[Jack Rabbit]

12. I'm trying to figure Negroponte out in this

Goss was a political hack, yet Negorponte says he wasn't a team player. A political hack is nothing if he is not a team player.

The other day I read something in editorials where Negroponte was stating the Iran is years away from building a nuke. He's the one who doesn't sound like a team player right now.

We know Negroponte doesn't have a problem with mass murder. He helped facilitate death squad activities in Central America during the Reagan years. However, it is entirely possible that he thinks that if one is going to do that kind of thing, one had better have good intelligence and not a CIA that thinks its duty is to tell the policymakers only what they want to hear. Goss' mission at the CIA was to make the agency more sycophantic than ever. Apparently, he joined Bush's team and ended up on Negroponte's.

Negroponte may be a thug, but he isn't a stupid thug. You can't just send death squads into villages and wipe out people unless you know that it's actually going to hurt the leftist guerrillas. To do that, Negroponte wants good intelligence. That means he wants professionalism at the CIA.

I wonder how long he'll last with Bush and Cheney over him. Professionalism at the CIA to them means intelligence analysts who will tell them that it is doubtful that Iraq has a biochemical arsenal, and certainly nothing worth a war; that just gets in the way of their plans. Bush and Cheney are stupid thugs.

[bridgit]

14. this cheney/nixon/bush admin is nothing if not a gang of cut throats...

this nation is imo nothing if not a republic that craves 'good intelligence'. after having administered scientific samples, i am able to confirm; numbers and data are so pliable at times as to be had by whomever shows up first...which is why cheney, bush, rumsfeld, negroponte, the entire lot of them simply have to go.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. I'm not saying that Negroponte doesn't have to go

A brilliant thug is still a thug.

Let's try to figure out what's going on. An emasculated CIA serves no useful purpose to anybody, except to really foolish tyrants who just want to extort oil from the Middle East by threatening to drop bombs on it. Look where that's gotten us. If we did need to go to war against Iran, we couldn't do it. We're tied up in Iraq. We are tied up in Iraq for reasons that had nothing to do with national security because those stupid tyrants did not want to hear that it had nothing to do with national security.

Negroponte could be like Kissinger. Kissinger is a brilliant mind with no moral compass. Could you imagine Kissinger putting up with Porter Goss at the CIA? He certainly would not have. That could be what Negroponte is thinking.

[bridgit]

17. no sir, i do hear you; after a push away from human intel gathering...

a now emaciated CIA serves no president not even a boy-king-tyrant, or his feeble appointment. having someone send the adults into bush's room to shake it down & toss it, is a scene many across the landscape cannot ignore

an emaciated CIA i mention here, where to the collective smiles of everyone with a portfolio brimming with Raytheon, Hughes, Lockheed Martin, predator drone & 'star-wars' stocks...a narrow minded little partisan congressman has to be seen as an expendable commodity

[Jack Rabbit]

18. If I were one of those artificial persons, I wouldn't be happy with Goss

I suppose that multinational corporations have found a way to make money in Iraq, but it's not the way they'd like to make money. Contrary to what a lot of their critics claim, they don't like wars. The oil companies would rather be getting the oil out of the ground, transporting through the Persian Gulf and selling to consumers in America filling their gas guzzlers. They can't do that when insurgents are blowing up pipelines. Insurgents will continue to blow up pipelines as long as the most effective government in Baghdad is one centered in the US embassy. It also squeezes their profits when Lloyd's of London raises their insurance rates for transporting oil through war zones.

As cruel as it might seem, those transnationals had a better deal with Saddam in power.

There seems to be one part of their own propaganda that the neoconservatives really believed: that the Iraqi people would be so happy to see Saddam's back that they would cheerfully allow their natural resources to be stolen from them in broad daylight. It hasn't worked that way.

Yet we have documented cases where the intelligence community had information from Iraqis on the ground that there was no weapons program. We also know that any post-Saddam planning was done in conjunction with a convicted embezzler who left Iraq as a teenager and lived most of his life in the West. There was no input from cab drivers in Baghdad or longshoremen in Basra.

In the film Wall Street, Gordon Gecco wants information. That's what he can really use. He didn't become a successful crook by fantasizing about how easy it would be to take over small or medium-sized companies. He found information that he could use to accomplish his goals, as nefarious as they were. He couldn't engineer a takeover with inaccurate information any better than with no information.

Wall Street would have been a comedy if Gecco had been fed misinformation and been left holding the bag in the end. It would have been funny, perhaps, if Gecco were so willfully self-deluded. The neoconservative misadventure in Iraq, too, would make a comedy, except that tens of thousands of people are dead. That's not funny.

[bridgit]

20. i think that's right, call me old fashioned, but i think there's more...

long term money, stable-honest money (yes, i know, such as it is) here i.e. new ideas, renewable technologies, human services and the like; than sideways, if you catch me here i.e. selling crack, crank, opiates, or for that matter bullets & bombs

but i've felt as well for some time that bush, and this particular illuminati hub-let he is presently 'fused @ the soul' with, truly believes that from chaos comes order; if not a new world order. they feel as though it is a win-win cituation for them poor dears. and in the meantime, vast tracts of the rest are leveraged buyouts for pennies on the dollar, where the tab for their rampant excess is being put-upon, or picked up by the american taxpayer, who they dislike tremendously, but simply cannot resist the smell of our money, in that they are addicted to it imo

stable international business contracts are a must, but this gang of robber barons have shown clearly their utter disdain for international protocols.

perhaps one day we will smile & laugh about events as we do periodically throughout 'catch 22', but i do agree, the debacle in iraq is at this point in time far from humorous.

[Chomp]

19. I think your analyisis

is absolutely spot on Jack. There must still be people in there (even right wingers) who understand the dangers of politicised intelligence and won't put up with it (any more).

Maybe Negroponte issued an ultimatum to Bush: it's him or me. Maybe the political hackery of Goss genuinely got to him and he just snapped. I don't think this scenario is as unbelievable as everyone is suggesting.

For Bush, ditching Goss would have been easier than Negropnte. And dare I say it, it is not impossible that Bush MIGHT be starting to get some of this stuff. He's running out of options: maybe he's giving reality a go!

I also must say that if we ever get a bona-fide story that places Goss in bed with a hooker, I'll eat my shoes. I just can't believe we are going to get the cocaine-sex-parties-with-cash-and-trannies story that everone is hoping for. That's just too good to be true, which probably means it's not true.

[incapsulated]

16. I don't buy the story

I think this is now a second rate hooker and lobbyist scandal (at Watergate), but if Negroponte is involved.... this could go much further.

We need a new deep throat.