Who is Hillary Fooling?

[louis c]

That's what I'd like to know. However, we (and they) won't know until after the election in 2008.

Ruppert Murdoch will host a fund-raiser for Hillary Clinton in July. There is no way she can satisfy the political ideology of both the Democratic Underground and Fox News. Yet, she may have the support of both in a general election in 2008.

How can this be? Someone is outsmarting someone else, but which one of us is it?

I know that Murdoch is technically assisting Hillary in her Senate race this year but it most likely is going to lead to a friendly relationship for 2008. I could not support someone for Senator that I would be absolutely against as President. How can Murdoch?

I really need some DU input on this one.

louis c

Link:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12692606/

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Herself.

I think that's about it.

[louis c]

121. I wanted to reply at the top

of this thread to all of you.

Thank you, DUers. I certainly have your opinions and I will be able to establish mine from all the info you've given me.

I think we should take a wait and see position until the primary season in January and February 2008.

I am already committed to support the Democratic nominee for President, who ever he or she may be.

The only exception would be that piece of shit LIEberman. But he'll be lucky to get the Democratic nomination for Senator from Connecticut, never mind President.

[MellowOne]

136. I'm puky sick of news anchors and talking heads

like tweety and so forth acting like Hillary is a lock for the Democratic bid. The want her but every person I talk with in the "real" world don't want her. Is there a conspiracy?

[HamDon]

2. There is no difference between the DLC and the Repukkkes

They're all corporatist shills.

[0007]

50. Indeed! She lost me.

[iconoclastNYC]

80. DLC Is more sinister than the GOP

The DLC pushes the DNC to be obsequious to the corporate agenda, a.k.a the republican agenda.

The DLC has been working to neutralize the Democratic party as an oppositional force.

Democrats who put the people's agenda before the corporate agenda are panned by the DLC as "unelectable" fringe candidates.

DLC Democrats in Congress vote with Republicans to push crucial corporate-friendly legislation such as the Medicare Part D-for disaster Drug Plan - a tax giveaway written for big big Pharma for big pharma, The Telecom Reform Act of 1996 which killed commercial radio via deregulation, and the Bankruptcy Bill written by the credit card industry.

The Progressive community has done a great job turning the DLC into a pariah.

[iconoclastNYC]

81. Are you defending the DLC?

Do you want the party to move more towards the DLC line?

I doubt you can defend thier tactics or thier goals.

The DLC works for corporate America and politicians who follow the DLC line harm our party.

[HamDon]

83. You obviously misread something

or intended your reply for someone else. I am as anti DLC as I am anti Repukkke.

[iconoclastNYC]

107. Uhg. Yes my mistake

I meant to reply to "0007"

[oc2002]

133. The DLC + CLINTON = GOP VICTORY!

The DNC must be cleaned out of DLC spies.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Hillary lost me - sorry

I won't defend or support her anymore.

[AuntiBush]

57. Here, too.

No support from me, either. Not now, not ever. We will loose legitimately if she runs.

Hmmm...

[WindRavenX]

4. I honestly have no idea wtf is going through her head

I grew up idolizing her--I admired her tremendously and defended her tirelessly until about last year when she began to slide to the right on abortion and other issues.
While she has been a tremendous Senator for NY, frequently being the only senator to bring health issues related to 9/11 up, she is no longer the woman I admire when I was younger.
It makes me sad.

[AuntiBush]

58. You nailed it.

Took the words out of my mouth. You speak for me, WindRavenX.

[itzamirakul]

90. I agree WindRavenX and Hillary is my Senator,,,but I swear I don't see

how I can ever vote for her again. I do not agree that she has done a great job as Senator. I used to support her totally, but like so many others, she has lost me also.

How many of us who feel this way have emailed or called her office to let her know how we feel? I certainly have done so, but get nothing back but a form response, if I even get THAT!

[corporate_mike]

96. Since when did she become sooo religious?

Clinton, who says she’s "always been a praying person," has moved into the territory John Edwards had hoped to claim as the moderate Democrat who cares about average American.

[Placebo]

5. Chalk it up to strange bedfellows.

[louis c]

116. I hope you're correct

[porphyrian]

6. The right-wing is trying to frame the Presidential election.

They want to choose Hillary Clinton for us because 1) she's willing to pander to corporate (read right-wing) interests and 2) she has little or no chance of bringing a Democratic victory over anyone republicans choose to run. Don't buy any of the shit murdoch pimps.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. The right wing supports whoever will function as a spoiler for the Dems

And the Dems are acting dumber by the day. I'm getting very disillusioned and am seriously considering leaving the U.S.

[porphyrian]

91. Do whatever you need to for yourself.

I'm staying here out of spite at this point.

[TroubleMan]

23. Bingo, they know Hillary can't win the election, so they want her

to be the Democratic nominee.

[porphyrian]

92. I'm surprised this isn't clear to more people.

Especially with murdoch's sleazy hand in it.

[Th1onein]

78. EXACTLY. YOU NAILED IT.

Thank you. Thank you, for bringing this up. It enrages me when I see the right wing assuming that we're going to run Hillary for Prez in '08. I wouldn't vote for her for dogcatcher. And, she is really too easy to hate. The rightwingers would love it if we ran with Hillary, but that would be the kiss of death for Democrats in '08. Stupid, stupid move.

Hey, why don't they run Duke Cunningham for Prez in '08? Now that's a great idea!

[porphyrian]

93. Thank you.

It's refreshing to discuss politics with those who can think.

[lancdem]

7. Actually, I think this is fine

It's worth it just to see how the freepers react. :evilgrin:

[louis c]

15. I think the freepers will react the same as us....

WTF.

They won't be able to figure it out, either.

I have a cynical cousin who says that nothing will change and that they're all in bed together. I argue with him all the time. I claim there really is a difference. Could I be wrong?

[Blackthorn]

46. Not to but a blunt spin on it, but yes...

...I was saying this in another thread. Democrats and Republicans for the most part are two sides of the same coin. I would not be at all suprised to see Hillary run in 2008, and win, and essentially continue what Bush has been doing, or at least stop true Democrats from fixing the mess.

You heard it here first. At BEST, a Democratic win in 2008 would do nothing but stall the PNAC agenda, not turn it around.

[juajen]

120. I''m really tired of hearing this

That was an everyday meme when Gore was running. As a matter of fact this was the reason we had so many greens voting for Nader. Remember? We are our own worst enemy. Hillary might be in favor of making abortion rare, but she is pro-choice and a true democrat.

It would behoove us to not play into pug hands and be against her because they are supporting her. How absolutely rovian.

[Blackthorn]

125. No I don't. I wasn't here pre-2000 and I live in a different country.

These are just my observations of the world as I see it. As far as I'm concerned, actions speak far louder than words. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't complaint when Hill gets the nomination, wins and then fucks you like John Kerry fucked you.

Please don't start off on a you don't belong here. As I explained in another post, I support Democratic principles of liberty and justice for and all that good stuff. I just have zero respect for ANYONE who enables this Cabal in their agenda. Kerry did exactly that when he conceded and didn't fight the election. Like I said, actions speak louder than words.

Be gentle.

[BrklynLiberal]

8. I cannot imagine what she has done to make Murdoch want to support her.

Whatever it was, it makes me NOT want to support her.

[hexola]

9. How long until we see this post at FreeRep - "Hillary Reconsidered"

I predicted long ago - they hate her so much, they have obsessed for so long...that they will come to love her...somehow.

I cant explain it - but in todays black is white/white is black world...I belive anything.

[Faygo Kid]

10. What, you don't want a law against flag burning? Most important since. . .

Television V-chips. I love Bill and Hillary; compared to the unspeakable evil we have now, there is no comparison. But I want someone who is going to stand on principle; I want a Paul Wellstone, Phil Hart, Russ Feingold Democrat. I want someone on our side with incorruptible principles and vision. And I must have someone who is going to end this war, and rebuild a shared vision of cooperation with American ideals - the good stuff dusted off again and brought to the fore.

[EST]

16. Beautifully stated!

[Greyhound]

11. No one, she represents the Corporate Wing of the Democratic Party

and she's perfectly acceptable to "the shit-heel from down under".

[EST]

12. Her courting of the most destructive elements of our society

has tipped the balance in my thinking away from support, permanently.

[Kutjara]

13. Perhaps because...

Citizen Kane, sorry, I mean Rupert Murdoch is an arch opportunist who will do anything to secure his grip on the reins of power.

He was happy to be an Australian for most of his life until he needed to be an American to be able to own US media companies. Hey presto! Yankee Doodle Rupert. What's national loyalty when you have an empire to build? Fortunately, the UK doesn't require their media moguls to be citizens, so he didn't need to go the hassle of getting UK citizenship.

He has manipulated elections in Australia (through his stranglehold on the media), the UK (ditto) and now the US (ditto ditto). Murdoch is another Hearst: if the story doesn't exist, he'll create it.

Any politician that is backed by the Dirty Digger (as he's affectionatly known in Oz and Limeyland) is de facto a shill for Murdoch's evil empire. Sorry, Hills, your affiliations are showing.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

14. If Gore runs

he'll steal her nomination.

[American Tragedy]

39. Hope so, Grannie.

I can't say that Gore would be my first pick, but he's more principled and far, far more politically viable than Clinton. He has a legitimate shot - if Nixon could pull it off in 1968, Gore could surely succeed in a relatively parallel situation.

[SethInUpstateNY]

17. I voted for her in 2000.

Since then, however, she has really disappointed me starting with voting for the Iraq war, her considering voting yes on a law on flag burning and now being part of this fundraiser with Murdoch. She's nothing but a corporatist and I won't be voting for her this fall.

[saltpoint]

18. Hi, SethInUpstateNY. I understand your frustration with Senator

Clinton. Are you in the Tasini camp? What do you think his chances are?

Welcome to DU. It's a good place.

[SethInUpstateNY]

19. First of all,

thanks for the welcome. In regards to Tasini, from what I've read on his website:http://www.tasinifornewyork.com/, if he's on the ballot this fall I would probably consider voting for him as a protest vote. As far his chances go, unfortunately it depends on how much he can raise, which means his chances are probably pretty slim.

[saltpoint]

25. I guessed that he was up against some serious dollars.

The Clintons are old hands at fundraising.

Past that, I repeat my welcome to DU & hope to read more of your posts.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

85. I voted for her too Seth and I will never vote for her again. eom

[SOS]

94. She lost my vote, forever

Voted for her in 2000.
In September I will vote for Tasini.
I will not vote for Clinton in November.
I am done with this pandering bullsh#t.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. Hillary Clinton has become the new Ralph Nader

She's determined to get another right winger into office by dividing and destroying the Democrats, like Ralph Nader did.

[pnwmom]

22. I absolutely cannot understand all the Hillary haters on this board

and I think at least some of it is due to plain old garden variety misogyny. Even among women. Give me a break about the abortion issue. The cloture vote wouldn't have made any difference, because we didn't have the 60 votes to override a veto.

[hexola]

24. rolls eyes...(nt)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. Surely you can't be serious

I never hated Hillary, but if she's supported by, and accepting money from, fascists, what the hell do you want me to do? Send her hugs and kisses? Are you okay with that? If you are, don't you think you have more in common with the Freeper message board? On what planet would anyone be okay with Democrats being in bed with, and having a lovefest with fascists????? Hopefully not this one!

[pnwmom]

28. Maybe it's not Hillary that's bending, it's Murdoch.

He sees that Bush is a loser and he's betting that Clinton is not.

Frankly, I'm okay with whatever the Democratic candidate, whoever that is, has to do -- legally -- to win.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/14/AR2005091402628.html

"Rubert Murdoch, Bending with the Wind"

"Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family.

No one in London believed that the Sun, Murdoch's rabidly Thatcherite tab, would ever support the Labor Party. But in the 1997 election Rupert was quick to spot Tony Blair's rising star. The tabloid cowboy editor, Piers Morgan, kept a diary of working for Murdoch while editing his scandal sheet the News of the World and wrote a book that rode the bestseller list all summer in Britain. "The Tories look like dying donkeys," he notes in a diary entry in August 1995, "and Blair is starting to resonate with the public as a fresh, dynamic, viable alternative. Murdoch doesn't back losers and he is talking in a way that suggests he might ditch the Tories.""

[Autonomy]

31. Bingo. Murdoch's values are $ and more $$

He sees the writing on the wall, and wants to be on the crest of the Democratic takeover of US govt. Hillary needs his money to assure her win. They don't have to like each other. Whether Hillary represents your values or not is another matter, but the fact that Murdoch supports her means nothing. As far as I know, he's not a fascist; he's just a materialist. Guilt by association is pretty weak.

[bvar22]

35. I don't hate Hillary.

I think she would make a very good Republican president.

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[wisteria]

49. Murdoch is an opportunist. He doesn't get involved in anything

unless he can turn a profit. Good or bad, he sees he can profit from Senator Clinton.

[loveandlight]

106. bending goes both ways maybe...

but it truly upsets me to see Hilary going so far to the right. Accepting money and fundraising from such a long time right wing supporter is just too much for me. I want to support Hilary, as a woman trying to make it big time in what is still largely a man's world, but she is too easy to compromise. I cannot handle that. I want someone who will stand up on principle on the war, on pro-choice issues, on gay rights issues, on the economy. I just don't see Hilary as that person. In my heart I wish she were, but in reality she is showing again and again that she is not.

[oc2002]

130. Maybe Murdoc found Hillary's Price Tag, $$$$ for sale.

Hillary is as corrupt as any GOPer, and just as much a hypocrit.

[saltpoint]

40. Hi, pnwmom. I think the misogyny is coming from the Limbaughs

and the Hannitys and so on. There's a little here, but very little of it here compared to rightwing radio and FOX News, and I and other posters often post in support of Senator Clinton when the right-wingers lay a board to her.

Those posts tend toward taking Senator Clinton's side on the principle that those attacking her are threatened by her successes and intelligence. We object to the male schoolyard gang picking on the smart girl in the class.

But when Lieberman endorses Bush's Iraq war, the protest is far greater and louder on these boards, and the basis of our objections is not that he's male.

It's an ideological debate, and while Senator Clinton may feel she knows what she's doing moving to the right, or associating with a news network that routinely disparages her and her husband, she is confusing the activist base of the Democratic Party. It's a gamble, no matter her motivation, and I personally feel it is going to cost her in the Iowa caucus. Activists have long memories and keen eyes for detail, and they aren't IN the caucuses to support someone who courts FOX News.

Her being female is not the point here, IMO. Her blurring the lines of ideology that inspires Democratic activists is.

[pnwmom]

42. I hope you're right. I'll support whoever the candidate is, but I've

read a lot of posters whose anger toward her seems out of proportion. She's nothing like Bush, etc.

[saltpoint]

54. It could be too that many DUers are politically left, so a centrist

Democrat is less appealing from the git-go.

There's an interesting argument going about whether we choose nominees who can win nationally versus nominees we feel are more closely aligned with our personal imperatives.

The Democrats haven't had any winners from north of the Mason-Dixon Line for almost half a century. Kennedy was the last one, and that election was perilously close. Gore likely won in 2000, but he's a Southerner.

There is going to be a lot of pressure on the Party to nominate someone who can win. After 8 years of Bush, I think Democrats are not going to fiddle around. There's going to be some bruising backroom deals. I think Senator Clinton is sometimes a polarizing figure to many people. The Republicans think she's the red whore of Babylon. Leftists resent her lurches to the right. This Murdoch arrangement is just one example.

I support the Democratic ticket in 08, but like many DUers, there's some candidates I'm more enthusiastic about than others.

[pnwmom]

62. It's hard for me to get attached to any particular candidate

because I'm so obsessed on getting Bush OUT! Whoever can do that will be okay with me.

[saltpoint]

63. What!? You don't like George Bush?!?! Why, Harriet Miers says he's the

smartest man she's ever known.

_____

(And look where it got her!)

You hang in there, pnwmom. We'll get rid of these Republicans sooner rather than later. There's a lot of us out here with our sleeves rolled up and our alarmclocks set for an early blue hour.

[pnwmom]

70. I like to see that positive attitude. I'm going to keep working hard, too

for whomever!

[Clark2008]

41. I don't hate her - I just know she can't win a national election.

I want to win, damnit, and she's not the woman to do that.

She will not, I repeat, WILL NOT, flip any red states.

It hasn't a damn thing to do with misogyny. I'm female and want a female president in my lifetime, but I simply don't think she can win. Not in today's climate.

[pnwmom]

43. And your position is great for the primary. But you wouldn't vote against

her in the general, would you?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

77. At the rate she's going, she won't make it through the primaries.

[Clark2008]

86. I might because it wouldn't matter in my state.

If she's the nominee, she'll lose my state by 20 percentage points anyway (my prediction based on past behaviors). My vote won't make a difference. I might just vote my conscious (and I don't think she's the right woman for this job - her corporate ties are bothersome to me).

To be honest, I haven't really decided, yet. I'll have to see approximately where she's at in my state at the time. If it's close, I'll vote for her - but I'm doubting it will be. Gore lost my state - his home state - by less than four points. Kerry lost by 14 percentage points.

People in my state, by default, have been voting Republican since 1994, but they WILL vote for a Democratic candidate if he/she is the right one (we have a Dem governor). I just don't see the Republican-leaning voters going for Hillary even if they're fed up as hell with the Republicans (and they are). Heck, it's going to be a stretch to get them to vote for a black man for Senate.

[wisteria]

48. I don't dislike her, I just don't want to even think about the possibility

of President Hillary. She may be smart, but I see no vision, she is called a leader, but I see no leadership. I have concerns her popularity and her ability to raise money are due to who she happens to be married to rather than the woman herself.
She panders and never does anything without following it up with a request for money.
I would love to see a woman become President of the United States- just not Senator Clinton. She would be setting a standard that many will watch carefully. If she turns out to be as ineffective and mediocre as I suspect, she will set the cause of a woman President back perhaps generations.

[Stephanie]

59. the war the war the war

go read her position on Iraq and tell me she's someone we should support. go to her Senate website and read her letter to constituents on Iraq.

[roguevalley]

73. hillary haters. how is calling bullshit on her bullshit hating her? For

god sake. I CAN have an opinion on this woman and what she does without making me either mysogynist or a hater. she's no better than lieberman for me on this. Give us a break.

[pnwmom]

100. For example. People who say that she's turned pro-life are completely

distorting her positions. She has always been pro-choice and she still is.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

76. You see no problem with her taking money from a rightwinger? Wow.

[pnwmom]

101. I see it the other way. A right winger turning on Bush, for sheer

incompetence.

[sendero]

105. I don't hate Hillary..

... but she cannot win against McCain and even if she did win she would be a mediocre, at best, leader.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

110. This woman...

would vote for a woman President in a heartbeat -- but not if her name was Hillary Clinton.

A corporate suck-up with tits is still a corporate suck-up. :shrug:

Thanks but no thanks.

[BiggJawn]

115. Oh, go and throw the sex card, why don't you?

FWIW, I can't stand Jowely Joementum and Eyebeen Baught, either, and both of those guys allegedly have penii.

Could it POSSIBLY be that some folks think Hillary is behaving more like a ReTHUGlican than a Democrat?

Naw, it's because she's a woman, and we ALL hate women here.... :sarcasm:

[oc2002]

129. well, she has been a enabler for the Bush regime for starters.

You hardly ever hear her say anything to pull the troops out of Iraq, never about the enviromental and economic destruction of the country..she even agrees with Bushco on many issues.

[mtnsnake]

137. Part of it is because she doesn't pander enough to each and every

extreme condition that's required for most DU'ers to accept her. If she doesn't subscribe to 100% of someone's ideals of what makes a perfect candidate, then she's automatically an asshole. People here seem unwilling to compromise, even if it means losing the White House again.

At least Hillary is forthright. She's clear in what she says. Because people know what she stands for, many here won't accept her because she's not Mrs Perfect in their eyes. She's not evasive like most of the other politicians. If the other politicians were as clear about themselves as she is, then the same people whining about Hillary would be whining even more about the other politicians, too. Trouble is, the other politicians, with the exception of maybe Clark, all play it so careful that you don't know where the fuck they really stand on anything but maybe a single issue or two. They play it so much safer than she does that they're more immune from criticism than she is. You might know where they stand on an issue or two, but their messages are so garbled on everything else that all they are is a mass of confusion. If people are confused about what you stand for, they'll be afraid to vote for you. At least with Clinton, you'll know where she stands on the issues, love her or hate her.

[WilliamPitt]

27. Hillary to base: bite poo

Base to Hillary: see ya.

:shaking head:

[sellitman]

29. She wan't getting my vote anyway.

Let her pull a Nader. She can sleep with whoever she wants, it won't change anything.

[saracat]

30. She is just being smart. What Dems need is coverage

and Murdoch can provide that coverage. We might not like Fox but millions watch it and I would much rather they push a Dem face than the GOP. There is NO politician so ideologically pure that they would turn down press coverage because they didn't like the owner of the media empire. Honest to god, I am not a Hillary fan but the stupidity of some regarding press is astounding. Some bitch and bitch that the media never covers us and then someone like Hillary steps up to the plate and gets some press and publicity and you whine. Well, perhaps if the more ideologically pure would make a deal to get coverage, they might actually be able to make a difference instead of complaining how no one covers them. Congrats to Hillary. She is making things happen and she will help other Dems as a result!

[Autonomy]

32. But shooting ourselves in the foot hurts so good! (nt)

[PATRICK]

37. It's a setup

They want a compliant Clinton to compliantly lose or be compliantly victimized for repairing a sinking America. This is truly dealing with the devil and will bear no good results. And the FOX viewers are about to do a 360 because Murdoch is doing this for the business? Absurd. Maybe it is just for protection, especially from a totally Democratic NYS headed by Spitzer or a set up to get Hillary in as our candidate. Probably both. The fact she thinks she needs Murdoch and not Democratic progressives is another bad odor out of this toxic brew. The good old days of wheeling and dealing are over. This is political Armageddon.

Pragamtism hell.

[pnwmom]

44. I agree -- she seems to be learning some of her husband's skills at

politics -- and that can mean shaking hands with the "enemy" to an extent that makes true believers queasy.

[electropop]

33. She won't have the support of the Democratic Underground

especially if by that you specifically mean DU. She obviously has the support of Fux if the Murdoch story is true, but she long ago alienated progressives.

[pnwmom]

45. Speak for yourself, you don't speak for all of DU

[ruggerson]

52. I'm progressive

and she hasn't alienated me.

[mtnsnake]

60. I'll bet she's real worried. She probably won't run if she reads this.LOL

[oc2002]

128. yes, Hillary only cares about her career, not about Liberal or Progressive

issues. or the real democratic roots that help the middle class and the poor. For Hillary, it is all about power, more power and money....sound familiar?

[dave123williams]

34. You're wrong about that support....

The NY Post will back Hillary because she's currently polling at like 70% in the Empire State. She's going to win her re-election hands-down.

If you want to do business in NY, trust me, it's better to have the State's Jr. US Senator your friend, than otherwise.

Murdoc's may be a detestible piece of shit, but he's no idiot.

[SOS]

97. The NY Post will never support Clinton

From the OP article:

"The fundraiser for Ms Clinton’s re-election is in stark contrast to the brutal coverage from the New York Post of her first Senate campaign.
The partisan tabloid ran unflattering pictures, and frontpage headlines pleading: “DON’T RUN”. A poll from the Post’s website during the campaign identified her as the sixth “most evil” person of the millennium, ahead of Benito Mussolini and Vlad the Impaler. Her husband ranked second."

Murdoch is nothing more than the pin boy in the 2008 bowling alley. Set her up to knock her down.

[sweetheart]

36. Who is hillary fooling?

nobody but herself.

[saltpoint]

38. I think a letter to Senator Clinton's office is called for, to ask into

her motivation for scheduling a Murdoch-tainted fundraiser.

She has a right to do this -- that's not my argument. But I'm confused by the association. FOX News routinely disparages Senator Clinton and her husband. FOX is widely interpreted as very pro-conservative, with a strong inclination to omit or distort any information or viewpoint that embarrasses the Right. Their political analysts and hosts are among the most strident and sycophantic manipulators on all the airwaves.

Murdoch is fully aware of the timbre of his many organizations, and hires accordingly.

Senator Clinton is placing herself in an untenable position. She is not likely to win over red voters, and cozying up to Murdoch isn't likely to change that. It might, but I doubt it. Her office might have some comment on this, or not, but in any case, she is confusing Democratic activists who for some time now hold FOX in extremely low regard, and properly so.

A socialist whose girlfriend leaves him for a banker holds a long grudge. Those early Democratic caucus/primary activists are definitely not FOX viewers, and they have long memories.

It just doesn't seem like a real good move for Senator Clinton.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. Didn't Murdoch support Gore also?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

74. Got a link?

[ruggerson]

51. Murdoch hitches his wagon to whomever he thinks is going to win

He did it with Tony Blair in Britain, long before Blair became a serious contender for Prime Minister.

If Murdoch is hosting a fundraiser for Hillary, it bodes well for Hillary.

[pnwmom]

64. That's what I'm hoping. I think she's been making some calculated

decisions, that are very hard on the idealists among us. But if this is what she needs to do to win, so be it. She'll be a far better President than any of the Repubs.

[BooScout]

98. She's doing Exactly what Bill did...

..to get elected. She's been moving to the center all along. Anyone who wants to be elected has got to move to the center. I'm a stark raving lefty Liberal, but I would vote for Hil in a NY minute if she was the nominee for the Democratic party.

I think people who dismiss her as being unelectable are flat out wrong. I think she is very electable.

[pnwmom]

99. I listened to her speak about a month or so ago and I agree with you.

She's articulate, composed, and smart. Such a nice change from the idiots we've got in office now.

And she'll bring with her a great team.

[spanone]

53. Sleeping with the enemy?

[Voltaire99]

55. Us, apparently: we thought she couldn't sink any lower.

But a Rupert Murdoch fundraiser. Heh.

That's so revolting, it's almost in so-bad-it's-good territory. With one swipe, she delivers a massive FU to her progressive base and a please-accept-me-as-fellow-swine reach around to the Red Staters!

Hillary, you're a piece of work, baby! You're probably unprincipled and loathsome enough to run this country!

[pnwmom]

65. Politics has always involved a lot of hand-shaking across the aisle.

It's time we brought back a spirit of compromise. I'm sick of the holier than thou-ers on either side.

[Voltaire99]

113. "A spirit of compromise"--with the owner of FOX News!

Whatcha got to offer ol' Rupert, then, eh? I mean in your "spirit of compromise." How about a few more wars, as well as some more tax cuts for the rich and corporations? What about fewer civil liberties? A greater police state? Think that'll be enough to get your precious party elected?

Go compromise with the devil if you like. I'm not voting for surrender, and here's a little secret: nor are other progressives. In short, appeasement by Democrats is going to lead to more right wing rule. Wouldn't adopting some principles--loftier than "win at any cost"--be more productive?

[Tarc]

56. Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...

Don't be so quick to crucify Hillary, perhaps it is Murdoch and Fox who is doing the wallowing? The rats are fleeing the GOP ship in droves; the smart ones are positioning themselves now so as not to be left out in the cold.

Imagine a Fox News that goes kicking and screaming All Things Bush and the Republican Party during the 2008 elections, and the Democrats wind up winning the presidency. Faster than they can blink, the spigot of White Hosue exclusivity they have been lapping from for 8 years evaporates. They can't let that happen, it isn't good for business.

Sit back for a sec, all of you, and answer this honestly; given the choice between crushing Fox News outright or subverting it to the light side of the Force, which would you choose?

[Richard Steele]

61. She's fooling some of the people all of the time.

Y'know, I am 'in awe' of Bill Clinton, the one and only "Big Dog",
and that's a fact.
He's a pretty amazing human being, a very rare
combination of intelligence, personality and ambition.

But here's where I diverge from a lot of Americans:
A lot of folks seem to think he was a great LIBERAL.

I don't see it.

He was a great POLITICIAN.

Different.

But Hillary? I give credit where due: She certainly has brains and ambition
equal to or greater than Bill,
but she doesn't have the human touch he has.
She simply does NOT have his innate, across-all-boundaries LIKEABILITY.
And she has certainly shown that she does not have
his POLITICAL skills either.

She got elected due to her husband's NAME,
and hasn't done anything POSITIVE to set herself apart
from the pack since then.

We live in an age when the bill of rights has been abandoned;
an illegal war has claimed 2400 american lives
and permanently maimed 17 thousand others...
The pResident openly admits that American citizens are being "disappeared"
by government agents...

And what are Hillary's biggest public issues?
Flag burning and violent video games.

We can do better.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

68. Agreed. Sen. Clinton = not a worthwhile Pres. candidate.

She got elected due to her husband's NAME,
and hasn't done anything POSITIVE to set herself apart
from the pack since then.

^^This pretty much says it all.

I'd be very curious as to what Senator Clinton and Rupert Murdoch's public comments on this fundraiser and the reasons for the collaboration would be.

[mnhtnbb]

66. Not me. Stopped giving her money when she

was all hot for war in Iraq. She's selling herself for Murdoch's money--and there's a word for that.

[genieroze]

67. Either Murdoch thinks the pukes are going down in flames and he

wants in with the new administrations party or he knows that Hillary has alienated the democratic left and will vote for a Nader and the pukes will win again by Diebold. They will have an excuse for the theft. How's that.

[Swamp Rat]

69. Not me... I have the 'speshul' sun glasses

I can see THEM! :D

[shadowknows69]

71. I think Murdoch is just making sure he's got a few Dems

on the payroll in case there is a full regime change.

[roguevalley]

72. Tell me how her doing this is somehow different from Lieberman

frenching Bush? THis is the last straw. Never. Never. Ever.

[Vidar]

82. She looks better in a dress than Lieberman? All I've got.

[yellowdawgdem]

122. H is making some difficult political decisions

Actually why shouldn't she take money from Murdoch. I don't see that as Liebermanlike, just a smart politically calculated move that will give her some coverage, etc. I agree that it says more about Murdoch in that he is smelling blood in the water. Imo Hillary is experienced, not a dino, and not the sort of wimp that Lieberman is. She doesn't whine or wimp out or hedge on answering tough questions.
She is apt to make some brilliant decisions along the way, don't underestimate her- whether or not she even gets the democratic nomination.

[donheld]

75. bartcop n/t

[Peter Frank]

79. Make No Mistake - Murdoch Wants Her to Run, So That...

...the Republican candidate de jur has the best chance at winning in '08.

If Hillary gets the nod, the RW slime machine will be able to go Chernobyl.

[Disturbed]

84. "She obviously has the support of Fux ."

Not so obvious. Most people that work at Faux are never going to support her for Prez. The Fox RW audience won't either.

She is going for the Moderate Dems, Swing and Paleo Conserv voters.

Regarding her Senate race: Does she really need more money for that?

[pnwmom]

104. Can't she use leftover Senate campaign money to run for President?

[pnwmom]

102. The Republican slime machine will attack ANY Democratic candidate.

Doesn't matter who. Even a boy scout like John Kerry. And Hillary, unlike some Democrats, will be ready to fight back. Just watch.

[Peter Frank]

117. The GOP wants Hillary as an opponent in "08...

I don't care to let them have anything they want.

[pnwmom]

118. They might think they want her. Until she bites them back.

[Joe Fields]

87. Like most of the rest of the pols in D.C. she is power hungry.....

and is willing to position herself any way she can to obtain what she wants. Her career is like a drunk driver swerving all over the road. I have seen her veer to the left, drive down the center, and swerve to the right. It's a pity.

[pnwmom]

103. Don't you wish Kerry had been more power hungry? And Al Gore?

Power hungry is the only way to beat them. That's why Hillary could win.

[wisteria]

108. I want a President with vision and a path to lead us out the mess

we're in, not one that cares only about their own self interest, are greedy,power hungry and money hungry. Senator Clinton is too obvious. She doesn't deserve to be the first woman President.

[Stockholm]

88. Shhhh do you hear that?

The sound of a thousand freeper heads exploding at the thought of Hillary 24/7 on Faux.

[Ganja Ninja]

89. So now what? Are we going to see the Dem primary diebolded?

[BooScout]

95. Murdoch supports Blair (A Liberal albiet a nasty one)

He crosses party lines and supports who he thinks will best further his interests.

[corporate_mike]

109. Politics = lots and lots of compromise

[ourbluenation]

111. I think she'd make an excellant Sec of State...

For President Gore.

[mdmc]

112. FOX is supporting her because she will win re-election in 2006

they are backing a winner. that is all.

[BiggJawn]

114. Not Me.

DINO.

[pnwmom]

119. Actually, she isn't a DINO, if you go by her overall vote record.

Progressive Punch ranks her in 10th place among Democrats (and all Senators), with a score of 92%.

www.progressivepunch.com

Thirty-four other Democratic Senators are less progressive than she is, on the issues.

[BiggJawn]

123. Then she needs a new campaign handler.

Because her press image is as tho she's trying to outer-Lieberman Lieberman in pursuit of those mythical "Swing Voters".

[dysfunctional press]

124. Bartcop, for one...

is he still having a hillary lovefest at his site...? i had to stop going there, i got so sick of his constant hillary worship.

[corporate_mike]

126. FT: Hillary Clinton defends link with Murdoch

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/577ecd2e-dfc2-11da-afe4-0000779e2340,_i_rssPage=80fdaff6-cbe5-11d7-81c6-0820abe49a01.html

[oc2002]

127. She will of outsmarted the people who VOTE for her.

She represents everything that is Wrong with the democratic party. A party ruled by special interests groups, big donors, the DLC and all the other crap that festered in the Clinton era.

that is a dead end road.

[aikoaiko]

131. She might be going for the center which is where a president should be.

I know we want someone left as possible in the big house, but the person transcends parties will lead our nation. I;d rather that person be a D than and R.

[oc2002]

132. except that the center is far to the right these days.

You may as well vote republican than.

[PaDem]

134. Bottom line louis c is that.............

Hillary and her camp will be taking your vote for granted in 2008. They will bank on you A.) being displeased, B.) Voting on Election Day and C.) Voting for the Democratic nominee (Hillary). In other words, they will approach 2008 with the belief that the "Democratic Underground" vote is locked up. To do that she simply has to come in to the left of her Republican counterpart.

[louis c]

135. That's pragmatic and true