Freeper on my vet board posted this regarding Joe Wilson...

[driver8]

I have not seen this in the news yet. Has anyone heard anything about this?

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Joseph Wilson, husband to America's newest millionaire ($2.5M bookdeal) is not denying that he 'may' have told friends and colleagues about his wife being a CIA operative months before Robert Novak wrote the article 'outing' Valerie Plame.

Subpoenaed for depositions, several witnesses will apparently testify that Wilson told them his wife was a CIA operative before her name was leaked.

There are still questions whether a non-covert employee of the CIA can actually be 'outed'.

This kind of puts a new spin on the whole story ... I can't wait for the book (won't buy it, but may borrow it from the library).

[Hissyspit]

1. BULLSHIT

And beside the point...

[Jack from Charlotte]

42. Remember who requested this investigation? The CIA.....

Just a guess here but they would not have done that if Plame was just a secretary in The CIA.

Anyone who says that needs to answer WHY The CIA was upset enough at her exposure to call for this investigation.

[niyad]

2. may and will--that's definitive, isn't it?

we are to believe that this man deliberately endangered the safety of his wife and every single person with whom she was involved? that he had absolutely no knowledge of what this might mean? puleeeeease--we might believe this of some idiot in the admin, but not him.

[alittlelark]

3. Sounds like a COMPLETE load of b*shit.

In what case will these 'witnesses' testify?

This is so transparent as to be embarrassing- esp. calling V. Plame 'America's newest millionaire'. Funny how this stuff comes out after the hand has been 'called'.

[azurnoir]

4. I've read on rightie blogs

that Joe was the one who outed her, but no specifics. Think about it though he had worked for the government (state department?) for years I doubt he'd be running around telling people his wife worked the CIA.

[Kerrytravelers]

5. "non-covert employee"

That tells me right there that there is at least one false claim in that statement. Plame was indeed covert, as Ive heard repeatedly from those not afraid of this administration or of the facts. If anyone tells you otherwise, I'd question where they're getting their information.

They are still clinging to the rethuglian talking points. So very sad.

[TahitiNut]

18. They can't make up their minds which lie to use, so they use both.

But they're complete contradictions of each other. If Valerie Plame was an ordinary employee of the CIA, then there'd be no "outing" and her employment would be public record. By claiming that Wilson 'outed' his own wife, they contradict their other lie. This is the non-Euclidean (Escher-esque) 'mind' of a freeper - a hodge-podge of mutually-contradictory self-serving 'beliefs' without basis in those liberal things called facts. It's a Miracle of God (or His nemesis) - since a 'logic circuit' couldn't be designed by man to do this; it'd short-circuit.

[Jackpine Radical]

50. Yo, Tahiti...I absolutely LOVE that description of the wingnut "mind"--

"Escheresque" indeed! Everywhere is uphill from where you are--and everywhere is downhill. The fish become birds. "Creation science" trumps reality, Bush only lied in order to better serve the purposes of God, the fountainhead of truth. Most people try to resolve cognitive dissonances by resolving the dissonant elements. The wingnuts do it by eliminating cognition.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Yes, some Right Wingers swear that she was merely a Secretary.

Willful ignorance is no way to go through life morAns. :(

[Jackpine Radical]

51. A secretary? Hell, that's all Rumsfeld & Condi are.

(Defense & State, respectively.)

[Sydnie]

6. I don't think he has denied it because I haven't heard that he has

spoken about the allegation at all. Seems a bit of spin there to me. Libby is shopping the idea around that he has five people that will testify, but he is losing site of the fact that he is not charged with outing her, so why is he mounting a defense to that charge at all?

[LA lady]

10. could it just be a threat?

Wells claims he is calling Wilson to testify and that he has 5 deposed witnesses that say he is the one that "outed" her.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. Threat about what?? Libby's not being charged with outing Plame!!

[LA lady]

29. sorry

I mean a threat to Fitz to keep him from charging Rove.

[LA lady]

30. sorry

I mean a threat to Fitz to keep him from charging Rove.

[NightOwwl]

7. The investigation is OVER!

There are no more witnesses, no more depositions, and only 2 more meetings of the grand jury.

I wish I could watch the poor bastard's head explode when Fitzy makes the announcement that Rove has been indicted.

[Frustratedlady]

12. Has that been announced and I missed it?

"There are no more witnesses, no more depositions, and only 2 more meetings of the grand jury."

My goodness. I'm as excited as a child before Fitzmas. When?

[NightOwwl]

16. The grand jury meets this Wednesday and Friday

to wrap everything up. Lots of speculation that Rove is in deep doo-doo.

David Schuster had a great line on Countdown the other day: "The tea leaves suggest Rove will be indicted." :wow:

[Frustratedlady]

19. As the old saying goes, I'm all a twitter...

I don't even care about Scooter. Rove and Cheney will do just fine.

They don't even have to wrap the announcement or tie a bow on it, just bring it on.

[NancyG]

20. There's not just 2 more meetings of the GJ

A grand jury meets Wednesdays and Fridays and not just for Fitz, but any prosecutor needing a GJ.

We all are on pins and needles that he will ask them to indict Rove this week, but if not this week, it's not necessarily over unless Fitz decides to move on. If he continues to pursue Rove, he can use this GJ any Wed or Fri.

Fingers crossed. Any day for a Fitz Day.

[WhiteTara]

8. I say liars!

Smear smear smear. That's all they know.

[Polemicist]

9. That story is gobblygook...

Joe Wilson has said publicly many times that he never discussed his wife's CIA employment prior to her outing by White House officials. If Libby's attorneys have people that will testify to the contrary, they will very likely be perjuring themselves.

The Judge doesn't seem inclined to make this trial about Joe Wilson. So I think what you got there is just more wingnuttery gibberish. In fact, I'm very sure it's just more wingnuttery. And additionally, the testimony will be hearsay. The prosecutor will simply call Joe Wilson to the stand to refute those baseless allegations.

One story circulating in the Wingnut circles, is that Wilson admitted his wife was CIA to two Fox News retired Generals in the Fox News green room prior to a broadcast. The only problem is,
Wilson and these two Generals were never booked to appear on the same show. So it's very unlikely they had such a conversation in the Fox News green room.

When your witnesses are Fox News correspondents, you are deep inside the looking glass.

[BuyingThyme]

11. Did he provide a link?

[driver8]

22. Of course not...they never do! If they do, it's to Rush Limbaugh's

website or some other reliable source.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

27. Here's a totally reliable link on this report.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1136959&mesg_id=1136959

[myrna minx]

37. Teehee. This is almost like Michelle Malkin

sourcing herself to prove a point. Hah. :toast:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

40. If you can't trust yourself to tell you the truth ...

then it's time to get a dog.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. Great googly-moogly! Why does this tired old crap keep....

...showing up on DU!

BS = bullshit,
MS = more shit,
PhD = piled higher and deeper

[driver8]

23. Hey -- don't read it. Someone posted something on another

board that I belong to and I wanted to see if anyone had heard anything.

I will try and keep the tired old crap to a minimum next time.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. Maybe you ought to do some fact-checking before you post in the future.

[driver8]

44. Why? I had a question and I asked the board.

I didn't state it as fact.

Are we not allowed to ask questions at DU? I didn't realize that every post had to be approved by you. I will make sure to run all my posts through you in the future.

Maybe you should leave your "holier than thou" attitude at home next time. Who are you to criticize someone for asking a question?

[TheWraith]

14. Stuff him with it, this way.

For one thing, the idea that Plame wasn't covert is simply false. The CIA has confirmed that she was indeed a covert officer, contrary to all the spin and talking points that have been put out to try and muddy the water. Besides that, the CIA front company that she worked for was also covert, and the disclosures about it compromised yet more agents, all of whom were also covert.

Two, I see no evidence besides unsubstantiated assertion that any witnesses actually plan to testify that they knew of Plame's identity. Nor do I see any information about who these people are, what positions they hold, or why they might have been informed of this. More importantly, Wilson has said many times, on the public record, that he never openly discussed his wife's CIA status before she was outed.

And lastly, even if he had done so, vesting confidential information in a few trusted people is not the same as broadcasting this information, as well as other data highly damaging to US intelligence efforts, to the entire world as part of a cheap attempt to attack a man's political opinions through smearing his wife.

[magellan]

17. Repugs have no respect for anyone or anything

...that isn't in lockstep with Bush**. If Jesus came down and told them Bush** lied about WMD in Iraq they'd burn Him at the stake. They're the stupidest MFers on the planet and everyone in the world knows it but them.

[Catrina]

21. Joe Wilson has said categorically that even family members were

unaware of his wife's covert status, they did know she worked for the CIA. That's a huge difference. He has said that they found out when Novak outed her.

So, assuming any of this 'evidence' even gets into the trial, since the judge has already reminded Libby's lawyers, several times, that Libby is charged with perjury and obstruction, the Fox 'witnesses' (I'm certain that's who they are talking about and they have already been discredited) will take an oath to tell the truth and they will say that Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA. And so what, even if he did? She did, people did know that.

The prosecutor can call the Wilsons' family members, their neighbors and friends and ask them 'did you know Valerie worked for the CIA' ~ the answer would be 'Yes'! 'Did you know she was a NOC' and the answer would be 'The first time I heard that was on the news, after Novak outed her'. End of story.

But none of that is likely to happen, because judges don't allow witnessses that have nothing to say about the actual case. And again, since Libby isn't charged with outing Valerie Plame, it's likely the judge will not allow this line of questioning.

And even more likely, there will be no trial, Libby will make a deal because he knows he will be convicted of what he is charged with, perjury and obstruction.

Poor rightwingers, they're so easily fooled. These 'witnesses' have surfaced before, with the same result. They have been discredited. That's the rightwing though, they keep bringing up the same old stuff ~

This is a smear tactic, not really meant for the court. Joe Wilson may end up having to sue them, after the trials are over and the evidence is clear to all that these people are traitors and that they did endanger not only Valerie Plame, but who knows how many others not to mention the security of the country considering the work she was doing re WMDs.

Freepers need to take note of the words of the judge in the Judith Miller case after he looked at the evidence Fitzgerald gave him ~ 'This is a crime of such magnitude' he said, that he would forego his reluctance to demand that Judith Miller reveal her source. I think the crime is close to treason, if not actual treason, and these so-called patriots do not care one bit about this country.

[pnwmom]

24. Libby's NOT being charged with leaking, so this is completely irrelevant

to the charges filed against him, which involve his lying to the prosecutor and grand jury.

Remember Martha Stewart's prison term? She went to prison not for any particular stock transaction, but for lying to the grand jury. The prosecutor couldn't prove the "underlying crime" (the stock transaction) but he proved -- to the satisfaction of the court -- that she had lied about the case.

That's all Fitzgerald has to do. Not prove Libby leaked about Plame, not prove whether he was the first to do this. All Fitzgerald has to do is prove Libby lied in statements he made to the prosecutor and/or grand jury.

[XOKCowboy]

25. SOSDD

Repugs keep circulating unsubstantiated lies until the gullible think that they're the truth. It's their modus operandi. Unless you can get a substantianted link to that info, I'd just consider it same old, same old.

[Justice Is Comin]

26. That's so funny.

Did anybody see it in the paper before Novak published it? I know---it was the Bush Beans dog that spilled the beans :rofl:



Hey, that should be our new name for the skipper...junior Bush Beans. LOL.

[ShortnFiery]

32. No, Duke wouldn't tell ...

I'd trust him but not Jay :P.

[Justice Is Comin]

39. Could have been Mr. Ed too right? LOL.

[sutz12]

28. Can you spell Swift Boat? nt

[Jim__]

33. "... is not denying ..."

That's rich. It doesn't even say, "hasn't denied."

IIRC Fitz investigated the wing-nut assertion that "everybody knew" Valerie Plame worked for the CIA and found it to be nonsense.

[Mr_Spock]

34. Sounds like ancient history - people were interviewed extensively

This is just more ignoramus right-wing tripe as they try to save face.

Just digging up OLD innuendo...

[hiaasenrocks]

35. Those types of stories are great, aren't they?

"...is not denying..."

Try this:

My next door neighbor "has not denied" that he purchased two stolen goats for the purposes of sexual gratification.

See, he hasn't denied it. It must be true!

[Octafish]

36. NOC

Non Official Cover operative means Valerie Plame Wilson was on her own. Her husband is not going to do the BFEE's work for them.

[stepnw1f]

38. Sure.... and if it's repeated enough

these knuckledraggers will assume the verdict was somehow rigged. These people are dangerously deluded. In the fututre they will claim Bush was a victim... that's how fucked up they really are.

[johnaries]

43. Fitzgerald investigated this, found it NOT TRUE.

The October 28 indictment of Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby -- charging him with perjury, false statements, and obstruction of justice in the course of the leak investigation -- explains: "At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson's affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200511220009

[ComerPerro]

45. is the freeper actually a vet?

[driver8]

46. He definitely is a vet. That is what gets me...most of the guys

on the board are freepers and love to trash the Democrats. However, they have no problem when Bush decides to use the Constitution for toilet paper. I mentioned once that "Bush wiped his ass with the Constitution" and you should have heard the squawking!! I told them that if they didn't give a shit about civil liberties being taken away, why should they care what Bush does with the Constitution?

They just don't get it...2nd ammendment good; 1st ammendment bad. I told them that they can't have it both ways. You either believe in the Constitution or you don't...you don't get to pick and choose which parts to follow.

[ComerPerro]

47. How do we know he is a vet?

I ask because I have seen people lie about military service

[driver8]

48. The Navy board I am on is a group of guys who all operated

nuclear power plants for the Navy on aircraft carriers. It is a small group of guys and it is pretty hard to bullshit your way if questioned. Plus, several of the guys on the board have all served together on the USS Enterprise and know this individual.

[zulchzulu]

49. Categorize under Faux Snooze "Some People Say..." Department

Since Freepers think that if they can pull shit out of their ass and then claim it's the truth, perhaps they have a source (an interview) where Wilson said such a thing.

From what I've read, seen and heard from Wilson, that accusation is just another Chimp-faced lie.