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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:30 AM
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New Paul Simon: "Wartime Prayers"
From his new album "Surprise"

Paul Simon
"Wartime Prayers"

Prayers offered in times of peace are silent conversations,
Appeals for love or loves release, in private invocations.

But all that is changed now,
Gone like a memory from the day before the fires.
People hungry for the voice of God
Hear lunatics and liars

CHORUS
Wartime prayers, wartime prayers
In every language spoken,
For every family scattered and broken.

Because you cannot walk with the holy,
If you're just a halfway decent man.
But I don't pretend that I'm a mastermind
With a genious marketing plan.

I'm trying to tap into some wisdom,
Even a little drop would do.
I want to rid my heart of envy
And cleanse my soul of rage
Before I feel.

Times are hard, hard times,
But everybody knows all about hard times.
The thing is, what are you gonna do?
Will you cry?
And try to muscle through?
And try to rearrange your stuff?
But when the wounds are deep enough,
And it's all that we can bear,
We wrap ourselves in prayer.

Because you cannot walk with the holy,
If you're just a halfway decent man.
But I don't pretend that I'm a mastermind
With a genious marketing plan.

I'm trying to tap into some wisdom,
Even a little drop would do.
I want to rid my heart of envy
And cleanse my soul of rage
Before I'm through.

CODA
A mother murmurs in twilight sleep
And draws her babies closer.
With hush-a-bies for sleepy eyes,
And kisses on the shoulder.
To drive away despair
She sends a wartime prayer.



From Stephen Thomas Erlewine's review at allmusic.com:

But this is not by any stretch a protest record; "How Can You Live in the Northeast?" and "Wartime Prayers" are about the uneasiness of living in the post-9/11 America, yet they're not statements of outrage, they're about the emotional toil of the time...

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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:33 AM
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1. He is the most over rated of all time
Too gutless to take a stand on anything.
Too sad.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:36 AM
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3. LOL, I saw your post after posting mine. sorry you don't like the guy, I
love his music despite it if he is gutless. Our press really deserves the most criticism there. At least now a lot of musicians are discovering they can sing about * and his mob.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:11 AM
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8. tatertop, have you heard Simon's song "Silent Night/7:00 News" ?
Opposition to the Vietnam War was not considered evidence of "gutlessnes" during the time some of us were marching in the street.

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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:17 AM
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10. That was then this is now. The battle is raging, where is he?
I am in the music business.
I have so little respect for Simon on any level
it is not even worth mentioning. Enough said.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:27 AM
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12. Your musical tastes notwithstanding, the post demonstrates his
involvement.

Then-and-now arguments tend to ignore the fact that life is short and art is long. I say Simon's work outlives you and me put together.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:10 AM
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19. I think 'then' was before Simon
became a Scientologist. But he's been one for decades, so go figure.

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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:39 AM
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22. Not sure where you got that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists

I don't see him on the list - although I was surprised to find Leonard Cohen as a 'former' member
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:32 AM
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25. I can't seem to find anything about Simon being a Scientologist
either.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:37 AM
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26. I really don't think that's true.
If he's been a Scientologist for decades, how did he come up with the lyrics for "Rhythm of the Saints"? (Definitely NOT Scientology material). By the way, I think he's a genius.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:47 AM
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28. You're right on all counts, zanne. He's not a Scientologist and he IS a
genius.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:00 AM
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33. Maybe he's not one anymore
but back in the early 70's that was the scuttlebutt on the streets of NY.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:55 AM
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23. I've never heard that, DYEW. Do you have a link?
I've heard Simon talking through a live mike about being "a Jewish kid from Brooklyn."
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:01 AM
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35. So far I can't find one
but just because your born Jewish doesn't mean you can't become a Scientologist.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:12 AM
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36. But you can't just call someone a Scientologist without back-up info,
either.

I think the man's Jewish.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:15 AM
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37. Of course he is Jewish
He was born that way.

Sorry I can't find immediate 'proof' on the Internet for you. I will look again later after work.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:44 AM
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43. This sure doesn't sound like a Scientologist:
To me, anyway...

"People hungry for the voice of God
Hear lunatics and liars"


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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:51 AM
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44. Based on "scuttlebut on the street"? I think you looked around the cage
and that was the only shit you could find to throw.

And excuse me but - Born that way? :wtf:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:09 AM
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24. I looked to see what was up with the man's religious affiliation & found
Edited on Tue May-09-06 05:11 AM by Old Crusoe
this:

_______

From: "Paul Simon" article on "The Challah Fame: Who's Who in Jewish Rock" website

http://www.jewsrock.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=challah.view&page=S

(from 23 November 2005)


Does it get more Jewish than a cameo in Annie Hall? Since his start as a sixteen-year-old charting with "Hey Schoolgirl" in 1957, Paul Simon has always been a Jewish musical hero. This is, after all, a guy who played under the name "Jerry Landis" for a bit in 1963, making him perhaps the only Jew in rock to ever try changing his name to something more Jewish.

Of course, he found real success recording under his real name with Art Garfunkel, but Simon was never fully wedded to the duo. As early in 1965, he was recording as a solo artist in Britain. From Wednesday Morning, 3 AM in 1964 to Bridge Over Troubled Water in 1970, Simon and Garfunkel could be found in every college dorm in America.

Paul Simon, Simon's first solo outing after the group split, sold a million copies in 1972, as did the next year's There Goes Rhymin' Simon. Still Crazy After All These Years (1975) and Graceland (1986) both won Grammy awards for Album of the Year.

In the nineties, Simon's foray into Broadway, 1997's Songs from the Capema, was a flop, but his live concert in Central Park at the start of the decade was a huge success, cementing his role as the quintessential Jewish New Yorker.

_______
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:16 AM
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51. "perhaps the only Jew in rock to ever try changing his name" ...
... "to something more Jewish." I love it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:22 AM
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52. Is that the passage on "Landis" ? Hi, BorealAvenger. Long time no
see on DU.

I always had Paul Simon way up there on my musical favorites. Both those early recordings with Art Garfunkel and the solo work later.

I just got back recently from getting the new CD and am about to put it on.

Nice to see you again.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:28 AM
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53. That was a quote out of your excerpt
I just listened to "Wartime Prayers" that someone posted on this thread. Nice. Did remind me of how Springsteen has a lot to say and just crams it all in there. :hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:30 AM
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54. Yes -- where he wanted to change an already Jewish name to another
even more Jewish name.

I'm glad you got to listen to that piece. I'm going to wrangle with the dog I'm dogsitting awhile and then give the CD a listen.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:13 AM
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20. In the interview with Simon today on NPR
Edited on Tue May-09-06 04:16 AM by Hissyspit
he came across as his usual pretentious self-centered self, so I know where you're coming from. That said, the song moved me and the posting of these lyrics is more about the fact that so much of this music is now showing up (belatedly for many artists, of course, and not for others - Simon's last album was 2000) but, yes, he could have been speaking out.


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:43 AM
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27. With respect, tatertop, there are many battles out there. Paul Simon
Edited on Tue May-09-06 05:44 AM by Old Crusoe
has created an association called Children Health Fund, and it's been going great guns for a little over 20 years. Give me your best guess as to how many people in the music industry can match a 20-year commitment to social causes and charitable work.

Most of them would be from the "Then" period you describe, and not the "Now" period. We'll take the Nows -- don't get me wrong. They're crucial & I honor them. But the Thens were there first, and longest. You should re-evaluate your notions of who contributes what to which battles.

Here's the site if you're interested in learning something about a talented man who is honored world-wide for his many contributions:

http://www.paul-simon.info/
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:51 PM
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61. yeah , he is half as cool as the dixie chicks
or whatever teen idol Simon is jockin these days :eyes:
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:26 AM
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21. Out of the park insanity.
Absolutely nuts - with your comments

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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:17 AM
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47. "Enough said" is always a clue that what has been said is
usually an opinion that has little basis in reality.

That's been my experience and it seems to fit quite well in this case.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:34 AM
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58. I think that is a little harsh. Not everyone can be filled with
fire and brimstone. Paul Simon sings with a voice of kindness that wouldn't fit in well with confrontational lyrics.

For instance, Jello Biafra is full confrontational energry and that is great. But his style turns people off just like Simon's mello style turns others off. I appreciate all of 'em for speaking out. Even if it's a little late.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:34 AM
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2. This i will buy. Saw Simon in concert in San Jose sometime back,
and i am still crazy, sorry the song is in my head now, for Simon and Garfunkal.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:36 AM
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4. S & G were pop movie soundtrack singers
at best. They never were in the same league as Dylan or Phil Ochs.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:48 AM
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5. their music is better than their lyrics
imho. The lyrics are too cryptic, but the melodies move me. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:08 AM
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7. I respectfully disagree. They began as Tom and Jerry, then moved
to being simply Simon & Garfunkel. Their first four albums are considered masterpieces, and properly so.

Their sound is incantatory for the culture of anti-war, pro-civil rights America. Many, many people who are liberals and progressives will cite Simon and Garfunkel's first 4 albums as very significant to the development of a social consciousness.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:18 PM
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62. I just didn't get that "vibe" from them. Guess I was not paying
much attention. I seeme to have gone right from PP&M to The Doors!!
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:14 AM
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66. I never much liked S&G but I love Paul Simon
but I quite agree they were not "pop-movie soundtrack singers. Paul Simon's writing has always been up there with the best IMO. From his first solo, to "There Goes Rhymin Simon", which is filled with great songs, and yes "Hearts and Bones" I love, too. I love "Graceland". He's missed on a few of his cd's I think, because he experiments a bit, but I do think he's up there with the best. American Tune still can bring a tear to my eye.

My guess is the people who don't like him haven't really listened to him. He is (according to my little brother who's a fairly successful songwriter), a songwriter's songwriter.

I dunno - I don't expect every musician I like to become political, although many of them have. I also don't believe they're speaking out now because it's "safe". I think it's more that it's difficult to ignore what's going on in the world, so of course, it's going to inform their writing.


At any rate, I just wanted to pop in and join the Paul Simon fan club because I think he's brilliant!



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:03 AM
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6. Paul Simon is strictly top-drawer. I'll invest in this recording, you
better believe it.

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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:38 AM
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15. That's the truth!!!
He's in my top 3 of all time.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:40 AM
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16. Hi, KyndCulture. A wild talent, Paul Simon. Although he got great praise
for GRACELAND, I loved HEARTS AND BONES even more.

And of course the earlier recordings with Art Garfunkel.

A poet's poet, too. The lyrics to "The Boxer" are as good as it gets.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:42 AM
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17. I posted the MP3 down thread... this is BEAUTIFUL!!!
My morning wake up music is Rhythm of the Saints... I LOVE that CD!


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:46 AM
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18. That is a great recording. A casual musician would have no prayer in
hell trying to tackle that music.

Simon collects the best people he can find from all over the globe and throws it all together in a studio.

Governments perform less well in multicultural accomplishments!

Some right around here...!

If you're starting your day with the recording, you must be having GREAT days.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:59 AM
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29. "The Boxer" is a masterpiece.
The older I get, the more I get out of that song.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:04 AM
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30. Yes. It's layers deep and very visual. I think of it not only as a song
but also as a film. Each of the stanzas are so visual.

Sometime or other in the mid-70s he added a new verse to it, and performed it live on one of this first solo tours. I heard him in Oxford, Ohio, of all places, and he included the new verse. It had been rumored that he'd included it for a couple NYC appearances, but no one I knew had heard it yet. And of course way back then there was no web to transmit data quickly.

That night, as the new verse finished, the audience exploded in approval. It was deafening.

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:16 AM
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38. "Well the years are rushing by me",
They are rocking evenly.
And I'm older than I once was,
But younger than I'll be, that's not unusual.
No, it isn't strange
After changes upon changes
We are more or less the same.

Are those the lines you meant?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:21 AM
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40. You've got 'em. The very ones. A great verse. When he sang it
that night at the concert, the stillness in the hall was amazing. There was this electric charge going through everybody because we hoped he'd include the verse.

And then when he did, there was this explosion of approval. I don't know how else to describe it. There was a tremendous surge of approval and love for one person from 14,500 others at that moment. I've never seen anything like it.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:14 AM
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50. For it me, it was "My Little Town"
That was me, riding my bike past the gates of the factories.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:24 AM
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57. Gotta agree with you on "Hearts and Bones"
It's one of the most vastly under rated contributions of the last 25 years. Though I did enjoy "Graceland" also as well as most if not all of his contributions.

The line from "Train in the Distance" . . ."the thought that life could be better is woven indellibly in to our hearts. . . and our brains. . ."

is a total keeper and I often quote it and keep in in my more hopeful thoughts.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:46 PM
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59. Hi, stellanoir. You have a great DU user name and it looks like your
tastes in music are great, too.

HEARTS AND BONES is such a great album. "Train in the Distance" -- yes. Those lyrics, and how he fits them over the melody.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:15 AM
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9. Hissyspit, thank you for posting these lyrics, which are beautiful,
and for the update on this release. I did not know it was coming and it is a BEST news!

Thank you so much. Made my night.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:27 AM
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11. I thought they we're very moving
although I'm not the Simon fans.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:28 AM
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13. Album done in collaboration with Brian Eno. n/t
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:23 AM
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42. I heard some excerpts...
... on NPR yesterday. The music will be good, because Eno doesn't do bad music.

As for the lyrical content, I couldn't tell. I am prety neutral about Simon, he's done some great stuff, but it was mostly 3 decades or more ago.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:34 AM
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14. Here's the mp3 if you want to hear it.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:20 AM
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56. Thanks. nt
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:10 AM
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31. kick
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:52 AM
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32. He's on SNL this week. Hope he sings this one.
I've been a fan of his music for a long time.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:01 AM
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34. Hi, peekaloo. I'm heading out in just a while to round up a copy.
I'll report in once I've heard the CD.

I can't wait. Simon is a master. Beyond talented, really.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:16 AM
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39. Howdy back. I agree on his immense talent.
One of the best songwriters that emerged in the shadow of Dylan. While he my have been absent in recent years I'll take his stuff over 99% of the drivel that's played on contemporary radio.

'American Tune' still brings tears to my eyes.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:23 AM
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41. "American Tune" -- you got that right and then some.
Extraordinary composition. He sang it at Jimmy Carter's Inaugural celebration.

If that piece can't bring tears to somebody's eyes, then they must be made out of concrete.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:30 AM
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45. I always liked "Duncan"
You don't hear that one much.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:00 AM
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49. "Duncan" is a fine piece. It's not played enough to suit me, but
when I do hear it, I usually stop what I'm doing and listen.

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:17 AM
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46. Where were these guys when it was unpopular to dis bush?
Is it just me, or are there a lot more high-profile anti-bush songs and albums in the past several months than there ever were before?

(Rock 'n' Roll rebellion, but only when the coast is clear!)
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:29 AM
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48. I think the Dixie Chicks were the only high profile people that...
openly dissed Bush, until very recently. They were promptly blasted by not only Bush supporters, but by the music industry in general. Everyone stood by and allowed it to happen and that was certainly noticed and I am reasonably certain it put a huge damper on musicians speaking out.

Even a guy like Springsteen stayed silent for years. Dylan has not uttered a freakin' word.

We celebrate our "heroes" like Neil Young, etc. but it's right to remind ourselves that they were silent for a long time when they should have been speaking out.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:41 PM
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65. Springsteen played "War" at his concerts right before the war started &
Edited on Tue May-09-06 09:44 PM by Hissyspit
spoke out at his concerts before the war started. Dylan has no intention of speaking out.

This is not a post about "heroes." Neil Young is not my hero. Neil has stuck his foot in his mouth plenty of times, but he is also the author of "Ohio."

This post is about the lyrics to the song, artistic chronicling of the state of our culture and what it means to exist at this time. Paul Simon is not my hero. I was struck by the art.

Yes, for many it is "Where were you earlier?" I got my share of grief for the things I said in my classrooms about the war and about the administration after 9/11 and before the war started, but it is STILL right and moral to attack these corrupt people who are STILL in power and are STILL doing damage to our country and our democracy and our children's future and to the citizen's of the world. I get in my share of "I told you so's," and at the same time welcome any and everybody on the 'Condemn Bush' bandwagon.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:34 PM
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63. There has been lots of anti-Bush music over the past years, but it
Edited on Tue May-09-06 09:35 PM by Hissyspit
was mostly from alternative/underground/sub-culture artists - and the Dixie Chicks, whom, because of their high profile, were threatened with death. Springsteen played "War" in concert before the war started. He spoke out at his concerts, as did Eddie Vedder.

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:39 PM
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64. Exactly my point. No sixties icons.
(Whoops, forgot Joan Baez, the exception that proves the rule.)
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:46 AM
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55. I love Paul Simon!
I discovered him when I was in the sixth grade and have been a fan ever since (I am 42 now). I will buy this CD.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:49 PM
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60. Paul Simon is great
just great
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