Some say Hillary is "power hungry." Would we be better off if Kerry had

[pnwmom]

been power hungry? Or Gore?

Is "power hunger" something that's needed these days to withstand the election process?

[The Magistrate]

1. Yes, Ma'am, It Is

[Fridays Child]

2. When it blots out the sky, hunger for power is...

...George Bush.

[jillan]

3. Who is saying that?

If it's coming from a rw, I'll laugh as hard as I do when the call Dems the party of tax and spend.

It's called displacement.

[pnwmom]

8. Actually, someone just said it on a thread here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1135053&mesg_id=1137609

And I've seen that idea expressed here before.

[neoblues]

4. Real Courage and Determination...

Enough of them and the willingness to recognize and listen to wise advice would be plenty.

[Tom Joad]

5. She is also sort of a war enthusiast. World can't handle that,

no way.

[0007]

6. Hillary is not far enough to the left for me.

Corporate America has a puppet.

[blm]

7. Why? Would the media have been more honest if they were power hungry?

Or would "power hungry" have become an irrefutable talking point against them then?

[pnwmom]

9. If Gore had been more power hungry, maybe he would have voted for

himself as the tie-breaker in the Senate.

If Kerry had been more power hungry, maybe he would have demanded a full recount in Ohio.

[blm]

10. And maybe if Clinton were a GREAT leader he would've opened the books on

IranContra and BCCI and no Bush would have ever been allowed NEAR the WH, let alone inside it.

You still didn't answer about the media - How does Gore or Kerry being more power hungry do anything but give the media a real storyline to use against them?

[pnwmom]

20. You're assuming the media would have won the battle. I'm not.

[blm]

23. If you don't think the media today is a different animal than the one Bill

Clinton faced in 92, then that could be the problem.

Clinton was IMPEACHED in 98 because of the beast the media turned into by then. You think Clinton could have been impeached WITHOUT the media helping the Republicans do it every step of the way?

Was Clinton not power hungry enough to combat it?

[pnwmom]

24. Bill Clinton was impeached, and the media turned against him, but

never the public. His approval ratings remained high.

[blm]

27. Not the point - he shouldn't have BEEN impeached at all.

And he wouldn't have BEEN impeached without the full complicity of the media.

What part of this is mystifying to you?

[pnwmom]

32. I'll try again.

If Gore, for example, had been more "power hungry, " he could have demanded a full recount in Florida, right from the beginning. Or later, when the Black Caucus came to the Senate demanding that the vote in Florida be investigated, he could have voted with the other Democrats and broken the tie.

Yeah, the media would have criticized him at the time, but he could very well still have come out the winner.

[blm]

37. By that standard Clinton WOULDN'T Have been impeached. Try logic instead

of patronization.

I know EXACTLY what you mean. But you're trying to prove something that has a premise that just happens to be NOT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.

[pnwmom]

39. If you knew exactly what I meant, why did you keep asking me?

[MH1]

16. Demanding a full recount in Ohio

would have gone nowhere and the end result would have been the same as far as president, worse in terms of Kerry's power to get results for his MA constituents.

As for Gore, I guess my memory fails me. I didn't think there was a tie in the senate to break.

[pnwmom]

21. When the Black Caucus of the House went to the Senate to dispute the

Florida vote, Gore had the chance to be the tie-breaker and did not.

[blm]

38. And Clinton had the chance to open the IranContra, BCCI books and did NOT.

.

[pnwmom]

40. And I think he made a real mistake by not doing that.

But, unlike Bush, he and Hillary are smart enough to learn from mistakes.

[NYCGirl]

29. Delete

Posted in the wrong place.

[pnwmom]

28. If they had been more power hungry, perhaps they could have "worked"

the media, as Hillary has been working Rupert Murdoch, which many DU'ers are condemning her for.

With Hillary, it seems as if she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Actually, it seems like we treat all our prime candidates that way.

[blm]

30. Baloney - Murdoch is playing a game - that's all - it's called LOOK AT ME

FOX IS FAIR AND BALANCED. And then he'll have the network devoted to her demise if she is the nominee.

[pnwmom]

35. He'll have the network do whatever he thinks will improve its ratings,

which haven't been doing so well, despite (or maybe because of) its link to Bush.

[blm]

36. They are ALL out to get a McCain-Hillary showdown and manipulate it every

step of the way to get the ratings. But don't even PRETEND that Murdoch is doing anything because Hillary is charming and working to play him for better treatment. That would be way too obtuse.

[incapsulated]

11. Code for: Uppity Bitch

I'm sorry, I am no Hillary fan by any stretch, but since when has the desire to run for President been described as "Power Hungry"? I think that is pretty much a given, although when men do it it is usually called "ambitious". Break it down: "hungry" means desiring something you don't have, "power" is something that men have and women have been historically denied.

In other words, that bitch is after your job.

[Matariki]

18. ah, you said it better than me

very well put

[pnwmom]

22. I suspect that, too.

[Vidar]

12. Kerry is a terminal gentleman in a street fight--adminable trait otherwise

[blm]

26. There are some soldiers who are alive today because Kerry was NOT soft

and there are some MAFIA bosses in jail today because Kerry was NOT soft.

And the historic record on Reagan and Bush is more complete because Kerry was NOT soft and didn't stop investigating IranContra, BCCI, illegal wars in Central America and CIA drugsmuggling even though an entire DC powerstructure was working against him.

[Vidar]

41. I didn't say he was soft, just that being a gentleman--

normally a good thing--fails with thugs like bush.

[blm]

42. What's the difference between the Bush1 thugs then and the Bush thugs now?

They bought control of the broadcast media and they use it as their first line of defense and offense against all opposition.

That's why I believe the Dem party needs to expose the GOP control of broadcast media before the next election.

[H2O Man]

13. Years ago,

I remember a journalist saying to Rev. Jackson that he struck many people as having a lot of confidence in himself, when he was running in the democratic primaries. And I remember Jesse looking at the man, and saying, "Do people want a presidential candidate who suffers from an inferiority complex?"

[incapsulated]

14. Heh, I remember well...

They called him every name in the book and the words they used were telling: egomaniac, loud mouth, troublemaker....

Like I said. Uppity.

[H2O Man]

15. The better Jesse did,

the more names and insults were aimed at him. I've said before, in 1988 he earned the right to be seriously considered for the VP position on the ticket. He had showed the ability to unify the grass roots. But the people at the top betrayed the grass roots. We gained a classic put-down of Danny Quayle, but lost the chance to take the White House.

[Matariki]

17. imo - that is the sort of thing that is said about women - not men

and i think it sucks.

[LittleClarkie]

19. One needs to be able to hide it though

Bill could. I'm not sure Hillary can.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

25. Bush II is the most power hungry man to occupy the White House, certainly

during my lifetime if not ever.

He has demonstrated that fact in every way during his benighted presidency.

I don't see many, or any, Republican/Fox news watchers bemoaning HIS power hunger.

[NYCGirl]

31. There's a big difference in being power hungry and loving your country.

The people who go into politics because of an overwhelming love for the United States and this planet are the ones that should be there. The ones who just want power aren't doing anyone any good.

[pnwmom]

34. Wouldn't Hillary be doing the country good if she broke the Republican

strangle-hold on the federal government?

[Yollam]

33. If Kerry had been hungry for anything it would have helped.

I've never seen a candidate that seemed as blase about an election than Kerry was. True, Gore never really found his fire until after the 2000 debacle, but I still found him a bit more spirited than Kerry. Hed he picked a running mate with broader appeal, I'm certain he would have won with a big enough margin to overcome the GOP shenanigans.

Clinton's drive and ambition, in addition to her intelligence, are two of her more appealing qualities, but as long as she continues to be beholden to the likes of Fox News, the DLC, and behaving as a sycophant to Bush, I can't get behind her. Which is a shame. She wouldn't even have to move much to the left to get me on board. Just stop with the kissing up to the far-right-wingers.