"CIA Problems Go Back To Clinton Years..."

[stopbush]

"...so you can't blame *."

Yep. That's what I'm hearing on CNN from JC Watts and others.

My question: is it true? And if it isn't true, why aren't Dem "spokespeople"
like Carville calling these RW a-holes on their lies?

Comments?

[LSK]

1. Maybe they should ask Richard Clarke

You know, the guy who tried to warn Bush about terrorism. Its more fucking BS spin to protect the Chimp.

[texasleo]

2. "Then why did Bush keep Tenet?"

[ComerPerro]

3. Of course its not true.

Their only basis for saying this is that Tenet was appointed by Clinton.

But, its not as though Tenent was just forced on Bush and Bush couldn't do anything about it.

Moreover, if Tenet is the one who really screwed up here and the troubles go back to the Clinton era, how come Bush gave Tenet a medal after 9/11 and after the WMD lies were exposed?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Tenet got the medal for career service....

...he was a long-term 25-year CIA employee going back to his days immediately following grad school. Tenet was appointed by Clinton, but he was very well thought of by people from all political persuasions.

Tenet was the fall-guy for the Iraq WMD nonsense. He got tagged with it when Woodward wrote in his book that Tenet told Herr Busch that evidence of WMDs in Iraq was a "slam-dunk". But, the only sources Woodward could have used for that alleged quote were the NeoCons that were in that meeting at Crawford referenced by Woodward.

Tenet had also pissed off the NeoCons when he demanded that the Department of Justice begin a criminal investigation into the outing of Valerie Plame and her entire global, WMD-tracking network.

Woodward seems to always create quotes that cast the CIA in a bad light...like his quote from an unconscious and dying Casey taking responsibility for Iran-Contra, and now an unverified quote from Tenet on Iraqi WMDs. That's because he's a former Naval Officer, an operative of the Office of Naval Intelligence, and a member of a secret society at Yale. Does that sound like any other people that we know?

[ComerPerro]

4. JC Watts. A name known by every racist everywhere

"Hey, I'm not racist! I like JC Watts"

[Pirate Smile]

5. That is truly pathetic. They've been in power for almost 6 years

but still wont take responsibility for anything. It has been almost as long since 9/11 so they were responsible for solving any problems discovered at that time.

That is so weak.

[Grateful for Hope]

9. They have been in power since 1994 n/t

[chaumont58]

10. They can blame things on Clinton and salvage some of their dumber

supporters.

[lisa58]

6. So why....

....didn't the "grown ups" do something about it in the last six years....I'm sick of this shit.

[ShortnFiery]

7. Of all the organizations ...

anyone with a lick of common sense should know NOT to mess with, it's the CIA. Wiretapping machines can be reprogrammed, but Human Intelligence ... well, they don't forget and forgive. I wouldn't F**k with them - not ever. I have no idea exactly how but, no doubt, they have THEIR WAYS. :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[stillcool]

8. CIA problems go back to....

it's inception.

Another early elite was Allen Dulles, who served as Director of the CIA from 1953 to 1961. Dulles was a senior partner at the Wall Street firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Rockefeller empire and other mammoth trusts, corporations and cartels. He was also a board member of the J. Henry Schroeder Bank, with offices in Wall Street, London, Zurich and Hamburg. His financial interests across the world would become a conflict of interest when he became head of the CIA. Like Donavan, he would recruit exclusively from society’s elite.

Historically, the CIA and society’s elite have been one and the same people. This means that their interests and goals are one and the same as well. Perhaps the most frequent description of the intelligence community is the "old boy network," where members socialize, talk shop, conduct business and tap each other for favors well outside the formal halls of government.

Many common traits made it inevitable that the CIA and Corporate America would become allies. Both share an intense dislike of democracy, and feel they should be liberated from democratic regulations and oversight. Both share a culture of secrecy, either hiding their actions from the American public or lying about them to present the best public image. And both are in a perfect position to help each other.

How? International businesses give CIA agents cover, secret funding, top-quality resources and important contacts in foreign lands. In return, the CIA gives corporations billion-dollar federal contracts (for spy planes, satellites and other hi-tech spycraft). Businessmen also enjoy the romantic thrill of participating in spy operations. The CIA also gives businesses a certain amount of protection and privacy from the media and government watchdogs, under the guise of "national security." Finally, the CIA helps American corporations remain dominant in foreign markets, by overthrowing governments hostile to unregulated capitalism and installing puppet regimes whose policies favor American corporations at the expense of their people.

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

[Sinti]

17. Well said! n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. Good post.

[remfan]

11. Bush's father did more harm to CIA

He politicized the shit out of it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. Actually, if you talked to a CIA employee from that time period....

...you might discover that Poppy Bush was pretty well-respected by the agency rank-and-file. they would probably tell you that Poppy Bush restored the esprit-de-corps of the CIA.

That's because he was one of them, and had been since the early days of the CIA. He may actually go back to the OSS. He was a Yalie, a Naval officer, a member of a Yale secret society, and a Yale baseball player...all groups recruited heavily by the OSS.

Poppy knows all of the CIA's secrets, and participated in most, if not all, of them.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. And the Clenis strikes again

The mighty Clenis must've corrupted the CIA.

[Lex]

19. The Repubs worship the Clenis like a god.

They think the Clenis is responsible for ALL things and the Clenis can do ANY thing.

All hail the Clenis.

[The2ndWheel]

14. Other than

the problem of the CIA is that it exists? No.

[Octafish]

16. CIA "Problems" go back to JFK Assassination.

And the CIA problem's public name is BUSH.



http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Back-up to the day the Cuban Task Force was created....

...shortly after Castro cut a deal to get aid from the USSR. That was quite a collection of people...CIA, U. S. military, anti-Castro Cubans, and Mafia.

[midnight]

yes.........

i agree...

[midnight]

25. yes.........

i agree...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. The CIA problem goes back to the (not so) Cold War.

When the U.S. government used them to undermine democratically elected governments, backing rightwing dictators and militarists, protecting Nazis, and all of the other American ideals so beloved of our own fascists.

[stepnw1f]

22. This is Why I Blame the Media

The damage they have done to our country by fooling people into trusting them as an honest source of info, is criminal. There needs to be regulation, and we need to split up the media giants. We are fighting the GOP and the media everyday. How the hell are we to debate when nobody is getting the facts straight? This is the biggest problem we face besides the voting machines. If the message is there to deliberately misinform folks, how are they to legitimately decide who they want to vote for? How are they to know what is really going on in this so-called Democracy of ours?

[BuyingThyme]

23. Clinton ignored the CIA too?

[Lefty48197]

24. Clinton didn't appoint Goss, Bush did.

How in the heck did Clinton make the CIA employees hate their leader, when Bush didn't even appoint Goss until Clinton had already left office? J.C.? Are you listening? Please explain this paradox.