The DLC is...

[Yollam]

The DLC is essentially...

[William769]

1. An organization formed for people to shit on

That don't have legitimate gripes. :eyes:

[Yollam]

2. Well, I guess that was thoughtful of them to do that then.

Poor, poor widdle corporate-funded DLC....


:nopity:

[skipos]

3. Nice flamebait poll. nt

[Yollam]

9. Really? Wow.

I didn't think the DLC had enough supporters here to generate many flames. Perhaps I was wrong. Their candidates certainly haven't done very well in recent years...


Seriously, though, I do think it's a legitimate question - how do people perceive this group now that it's role has been discussed so much. I see it as a combination of the 2nd and 3rd choice. I think it's ludicrous that it even exists, considering the corporate-coddling, hawkish nature of the party before it came into existence. It's not like the democratic party ever went very far to the left. It's just that the GOP kept going further and further right, and the DLC came along and insisted that the democratic party follow suit. But just because the GOP has become a party of thieves, corporate whores and extremists is no reason why the dems should emulate them in any way. IMO.

[skipos]

12. Your point of view was made very clear in the poll,

you didn't even need to explain.

[porphyrian]

4. The middle two.

I don't think the DLC is solely right wing. They're just in bed with them, because corporate interests tend to be right wing. Corporatists are the enemy in our midst, and the DLC certainly has their share of those whores.

[HamDon]

7. They're corporatist shills

They'll support the corporations before they support the workers. In my book that makes them Reich Wing.

[porphyrian]

13. That is indeed their crime. - n/t

[texasleo]

5. Nader cost Gore the 2000 election, not the DLC

[porphyrian]

10. There was no single cause to Gore's losing in 2000.

You aren't considering electronic voting, media manipulation of public perception, Blacks being turned away from the polls in Florida, incorrect felon lists in states that don't automatically restore the right to vote after prison time is served, or the stopping of the recount when you oversimplify the situation and just blame Nader. He might be a tool, but it wasn't all his fault.

[Perky]

16. You foget the real culprit

Theresa LaPore and the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County, cost us about 8,000 votes.

[porphyrian]

22. Right, that one certainly was a big contributer.

No way thousands of elderly Jews voted for Buchanin.

[IndyOp]

32. The butterfly ballot was created by Bret Rapp of Triad Voting, the Ohio

company that helped sooooo much in the theft of the 2004 election. Also: Bret created the less-well-known cousin of the butterfly -- the caterpillar ballot -- to lose Kerry some votes in absentee voting in Ohio, 2004.

:patriot: :sarcasm:

[Yollam]

20. Yeah, I wouldn't blame any one thing for that one.

I think Gore's running mate was a big handicap, in part because he was too far right, and sadly, in part because it's harder to get Southerners to vote for a jew, and there was the fact that Gore distanced himself from a wildly popular president.

There was also massive voter fraud and disenfranchisement in Florida. There's no getting around the fact that Gore was robbed.

[porphyrian]

24. And then, he gave up.

I'm not blaming him personally - I'll be the pressure was more than I ever want to take - but he would've been President if he'd have held out.

[Yollam]

25. He also made a big strategic error in the recounts.

He only demanded recounts in 4 democrat-leaning counties, thinking that it was a surefire way to win, but it backfired. Later studies have shown that if he had called for a STATEWIDE recount, he would have won decisively, even with the "questionable" ballots being tossed.

Sucks.

[TahitiNut]

30. Of course. It had nothing to do with 50,835,037 registered voters who

... didn't see enough reason to go vote for anyone. Nope. And it sure didn't have anything to do with 49,393,689 people of voting age who didn't even register to vote. Nope. It was because Nader earned the support of a handful of voters. Yeah. That's got to be it.
:sarcasm:

:eyes:

[porphyrian]

37. Heh, right. - n/t

[rucky]

34. How did Katherine Harris & SCOTUS get off scott free? n/t

[porphyrian]

38. I forgot to list them, too. Thanks for bringing them up. - n/t

[ulysses]

35. welcome back, Leo.

:D

[sheelz]

6. What do you mean by excesses?

What excesses?

[Yollam]

14. I don't think there were any.

But it was the "New Democrats'" contention that the party had gone "too far to the left" and pledged to scale back corporate regulation and keep taxes low.

But no, there never were any excesses. The democratic party has always been a MODERATE party, in my opinion, which is why the DLC are right-wingers in my opinion. Problem is that there is no real political left in this country.

[sheelz]

27. Thanks for the clarification.

I view DLC as moderate. I believe the democratic party should merge left, which is closer to the needs of the citizens.

[stuartrida]

8. Lame poll.

I am surprised so many people here look down upon B. Clinton, Gore, Kerry and other DLCers.

[Sinti]

19. Welcome to DU stuartrida :) n/t

[Yollam]

21. I don't look down on Clinton or Gore.

Clinton was one of the most amazing politicians this country has ever seen. He had his faults but when he shined, he really shined. I'm not sure that Gore is a DLCer, and I'm quite positive that Kerry is not.

Welcome to DU.

[idlisambar]

28. One can support the individual politician...

...without supporting the agenda of every organization they belong too.

[newyawker99]

40. Hi stuartrida!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Mr_Spock]

11. That's a push poll!

1st is too strong a statement
2nd is inflammatory and designed to entice the angry Democrat who's had to live with repuke control for 5 long years

[Sinti]

15. The DLC was financed by Pamela Harriman, Averell Harriman's wife

I know people don't like it, but it's the truth. I'm sorry if, given the way they behave, many of us don't believe she had an epiphany and suddenly became the antithesis of her late husband. By all the evidence, IMO, the DLC is a (sometimes moderate) version of the old Republican party.

On Averell Harriman:

http://www.bartcop.com/421102.htm

An informative (if incomplete) thread on the origins and obvious intent of the DLC:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5686573&mesg_id=5686573

This post is not in any way intended to offend anyone's sensibilities. Please accept my personal apologies, beforehand, if it does.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

17. The DLC is the K Street running along the Democratic Highway.

Kicking em to the ditch is our partys' best option.

[Perky]

18. The DLC or Moderate Voters?

[Yollam]

23. The problem is that the DLC is not moderate.

The democratic party is moderate. The DLC is right wing, and the GOP ranges from far right wing to Fascist.


Go to any Western European country and compare what their parties stand for compared to ours and you will see this to be true. The problem is that most countries have a political left, with socialist parties etc. getting a large share of the vote. The red scares and McCarthyism here largely destroyed that, and our country is much poorer for that lack of balance.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

29. DLC

The Moderates do not line up with this corporate group.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Homeless Republican "moderates".

[Yollam]

31. Very succinct.

But yeah, that makes sense. There is no place for sane conservatives in the GOP anymore...

[rucky]

33. The third one. n/t

[ulysses]

36. an ill-fated attempt to reverse Democratic electoral losses

by shedding most "hard" party positions (and all positions that could be labeled "liberal") and chasing corporate money.

[LunaC]

39. DLC is the Dem branch of PNAC

The DLC and PNAC share the same origin
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/LunaC/3

[xultar]

41. Nice fucked up stoopid ass push poll.