Sheryl Crow Speaks Out

[FreedomAngel82]

I thought this was a great article and had to share it with you. :)

Link: http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/4516.html

Snip: <Sheryl Crow Speaks Out
10-Jan-2006
Written by: Jennifer O'Reilly

Sheryl Crow opens the new Ritz Carlton with some harsh political rhetoric.

Lance Armstrong may be riding his bike through fields of poppies with George W. Bush by his side, but his fiancée Sheryl Crow isn’t so happy about our Commander in Chief. Crow was invited to sing at the grand opening of the 60th Ritz Carlton hotel on Grand Cayman this weekend, and while was there she must have been so relaxed from the sun and sand, she couldn’t help expressing her true feelings about W. >

More at the link...

[AX10]

1. Good for her. Also, curses on ANYONE who tries to censor her.

With that said, her boyfriend is an ass to say the least. He doesn't support Bush yet goes bike riding with him. :eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Quite strange eh?

She supported Kerry and performed at his election night party. :) She has this cool song on an album of hers (I believe it's "Wildflower" but I'm not for sure) and it's "Behind Blue Eyes" talking about being the most hated man in the world. I think it's about Bush.

[AX10]

15. After the Dixie Chicks debacle, I made it my policy to...

boycott any artist who's views I disagreed with. The right wing started this. Now we will fight back.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. I don't do that

To me music is music. If it's a song clearly about an oppositiong view than I don't listen to it. For example I do like Gretchen Wilson but she has a rightwing song on her latest album called "Politically UnCorrect" and she's talking about everything rightwing.

[AX10]

22. Well that's your way of doing things and this is mine.

[FatDave]

76. way off topic, but...

Behind Blue Eyes is a song by The Who from about 1970. I've never heard Sheryl Crow's version, but sounds like it's the same song.

Nobody knows what it's like ot be the bad man
To be the sad man
Behind blue eyes

[FreedomAngel82]

81. That's it

[Gruenemann]

77. "Behind Blue Eyes" can't be about Bush.

It's a song by The Who, released on their album "Who's Next" in 1971.

[FreedomAngel82]

80. Got ya

I've never heard the song before so I just kinda thought it might've been. :blush: I've never listened to The Who.

[LSK]

2. wow, I thought she got caught up into the Country scene

And thats mostly freeps.

[AX10]

3. hopefully, she'll keep herself of clean of those pigs (Country Community)

[blm]

79. Country has some of our greatest liberals - Nelson, Cash, Crowell,

Yearwood, and many others.

Please don't affix labels that JUST DON'T BELONG.

[FreedomAngel82]

88. Trisha Yearwood is a liberal?

Or is that someone else?

[blm]

92. she is...has played some women's benefits concerts

in the past, as have other artists.

Country artists rarely get recognized for their political efforts for the left even though they really stick their necks out when they do.

The media likes to downplay left country artists while promoting the heck out of the Bush loyalists.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. She's in both

Pop/rock and country. :shrug: I've never got it myself but yeah. Not all of country is full of rightwingers. Willie Nelson, Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Dixie Chicks. Just some off the top of my head.

[LSK]

19. believe me, i really tried with country music

I really used to love it. I know about those that you listed, but they are the minority.

Toby Keith, Daryl Worley (have you forgotten), Kid Rock, Brooks and Dunn, Clint Black, Brad Paisley - I just cant stand it anymore.

I just cant do country any more.

[AX10]

23. Agreed.

The good people in Country are outnumbered by the bad.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. I still listen

It's just what I like. If they put political songs in their records and I don't agree with it than I just fastforward it. I'm sure that people here like a lot of r&b and stuff and I don't like that. :)

[AgadorSparticus]

60. not Sheryl Crow! I think she's a die hard rocker at heart. The person

you may be thinking of is Jewel? I believed she dabbled in country for awhile b/c of her boyfriend.

[FreedomAngel82]

82. She's appeared at country events before

My family is really big with the country music so we've watched a lot of different country events and she's been there.

[tanyev]

4. Now her freeper fan is going to boycott her.

:cry: Poor Sheryl.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. Than they obviously hate freedom

Gee for people so promoting it they surely hate it.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

5. What she said ...

Her comments included sharp criticism of the Bush administration’s attempts to use the United States as a vehicle to become "an imperial power and create strongholds over oil-heavy countries in order for us to control and manipulate them.” She also spoke of the war overseas claiming that “Now, if we pull out we are going to leave a complete and total mess. We don't even know who we're fighting over there." Crow joins a long list of celebrities (let’s say, almost every celebrity) who have spoken out against the President.

[Scout Finch]

6. Celebrities..........

Is there anything they DON'T know?

(Sorry, I kept hearing the voice of Homer Simpson as I read this post)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

7. Her views bother you, Scout?

[Scout Finch]

20. I disdain any reference to

what celebrities or Hollywood stars think. They're no better nor smarter than me. I think it's kind of sad that most people read People magazine and watch Jay Leno for their news. I should care what celebrities say because they're......popular? Yeah, that kind of bothers me.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

21. Not what I asked. Try again: Her views bother you, Scout?

[Scout Finch]

26. No.

What bothered me initially was your posting her views along with other celebrities as though I should care what celebrities think. Her opinion doesn't bother me one way or the other. I resent your positing her opinion as though it carries more weight.

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Than don't read the thread!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

30. Shows how wrong you can be, Scout.

The article was 2 paragraphs long. The OP posted the first,
I posted the second to save readers the trouble of going to
the link for one paragraph. You should respect your own views
a little more and not be so threatened & resentful when reading
the views of somebody else, celebrity or not.

[Scout Finch]

32. Well

Actually, I do respect my own views. I never stated I was 'threatened' by other views, celebrity or otherwise. Thank you for your concern. My only point was that it's cheesy when a celebrity, while enjoying their 15 minutes of *fame*, feels their opinion is somehow relevant to the world, and posters to this site think we should all heed celebrity's words because a celebrity uttered them. Other than that, I'm cool.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Fifteen minutes of fame?

Sheryl Crow has been around for years since she was a backup singer for Michael Jackson so give me a fucking break. And if you don't like it THAN DON'T READ THE FREAKIN THREAD!!!!!! I get so sick and tired of other Duers coming into another thread and telling other people to shut up etc. Don't like it? DON'T READ IT! It's that simple! I do it all the time! You obviously don't like freedom of speech so tough it because it IS a Constitutional right AND YES FOR CELEBRITIES TOO!

[Scout Finch]

34. You miss my point

I don't care how many years Crow has recorded music. And I'm not telling other DUers to 'shut up'. My original gripe was with the post touting Crow's opinions, and those of other celeb opinions, as though I should heed them because, after all, they are celebrities. That is all. Celebrities are entitled to their own opinions. They just shouldn't stand up on a soapbox because they think their fame and stylish popularity gives them the right to do so, and more importantly, some posters think I should listen to them because they do so. If you have an opinion, great. Just don't justify it because a celebrity supports it.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Than freakin ignore it!

I saw the article and I know other Duers here are fans of Sheryl's like me and wanted to share. Don't like it than go away from the thread!

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[Scout Finch]

41. I see.

You only want to see opinions that mirror your own. I'm more egalitarian. Opposing views don't upset me. My only gripe is when a poster tries to validate an opinion because a blessed celebrity utters is. Sure, I don't agree with Crow. Duh. But you seem to have a problem with my post more because you 'know' I oppose Crow, not because of my celebrity gripe. If you chose to follow celebrity opinion, fine. Have at it. Or maybe you don't follow celebrity opinion. Whatever. But I sense more hostility because I may oppose YOUR view. I see that a lot on DU. I don't always disagree with the general consesus here. But you seem to be a bit touchy about any differing opinion. You should be more open minded. And not follow celebrities like sheep. Have a nice day.

[Scout Finch]

43. Ooops

Meant to say "because a blessed celebrity utters IT."

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[A-Schwarzenegger]

49. "Sure, I don't agree with Crow."

Finally. Care to elaborate?

[leftchick]

73. that must have been a slip

:eyes:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

78. No slip. She just doesnt want to talk about the war.

I dont wonder why.

[martymar64]

85. I agree and disagree

Celebrities are as a rule not smarter or more enlightened than anyone else, I've met a few so I know.
What I disagree with is your assertion that they shouldn't use their fame to assert their views. If a person, ANY person has the ability to make their views known, then I say go for it.
It would be nice if we all had that ability, but we don't.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Right!

So when are they going to tell other rightwing celebrities to shut up? I remember the whole Terri Schavio fiasco celebrities were up trying to "save" her and not ONE told them to shut up! Some conservative rightwinger woman jerk wrote this book and called it "Shut up and Entertain me" (or maybe it was "shut up and sing" it was something like that) and I just wanted to scream. They are still Americans who have the Constitution too! If that's the case than every damn celebrity that has spoken up for George Bush should shut up too!

[Scout Finch]

48. Well, we both agree!

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[sendero]

86. Yeah...

... and a steroid-addled Austrian shouldn't use his celebrity to get elected to a position that is 50 miles over his head, but it happens.

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[donheld]

67. Can you really blame the Celebrities?

Is it really their fault that every thing they say, political or otherwise, makes the newspapers? Besides that I'd much rather hear from Ms Crow than Jerry Fartwell or Pat Robberson. Why is it people only complain when someone like Sheryl make a statement, but not when Fartwell, or Robberson do?

[Scout Finch]

68. You must not know me too well.

I complain all the time when those bozos speak.

[donheld]

71. I don't know you at all, and Welcome to DU

:hi: maybe you complain about those bozos but too few do.

[FreedomAngel82]

50. The only reason I only posted one

is because it was such a short article and I didn't know if I could post the whole article or what since it's a shorter article than most. :blush:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

61. I understand.

I was simply explaining reality to young Ms. Finch,
who is apparently the one obsessed with celebrity.
If she ever gets her 15 minutes I'm sure she'll keep
her vaunted opinions to herself.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. They can say whatever they want just like you can

Don't like it? Oh well.

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[FreedomAngel82]

56. Exactly

You don't know anything about them so how dare someone else claim they are stupid just because of the type of life they have. This is the information age. If a person wants to be up to date on issues they can easily search for themselves on the internet.

[petersjo02]

16. Your mean such celebraties as, for instance,

Arnold Swarzenager? (pardon the spelling)
Lynne Swann?
George W. Bush?
Donald Trump?
Rush Limbaugh?
Bill O-Reilly?
and the list goes on...

[Zomby Woof]

31. Should she "shut up and sing"?

:eyes:























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[chookie]

8. Don't hold it against Lance

A presidential invitation is something it is not prudent to ignore when you, an American, just won a prestigious international race, and you are from a state where the president once reigned over. Lance accepting this honor does not make him a Bush supporter, just "knowing the form" -- in fact, he may be great to get drunk and ask what really happened when he was out with Monkey Boy -- I am sure it's a real pisser....

[benny05]

9. I agree with you, Chookie

Lance may be staying out of the fray for many reasons, and letting Sheryl just speak her piece.

[AX10]

10. So America is NOT free then? is it?

:eyes:

I don't have to accept any invitation I don't want to accept. I am free to do as I wish.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. From what I understand

Lance and George are friends but he is a democrat and did support John Kerry in 2004 as did Sheryl. I believe they're both moderate democrats.

[yknot]

14. Sheryl is a winner, she's a lot more talented than people realize.

Good for her.

[Skip Intro]

17. She's awesome, I agree.

and I like a good beer buzz early in the morning too.

:D

[donheld]

72. Yes Ms Crow is very talented

Too many are just jeolous of her talent. Pretty girls aren't allowed to be talented by some. Some think it's a crime to be talented and nice looking, not to mention smart.

[Cha]

24. I've wondered how she

felt now that she is Lance's poppy riding fiance..good, her feelings haven't changed!

[1932]

25. She came around the hard way

and she hasn't forgotten that that's the way she got where she is today.

[Wise Child]

35. She's a product of Republican deregulation circa 1996,

She is the standard of Middle of the Road. She thrived in an environment of stagnant sounds because media giants like Clear Channel don't want to test something new in their pursuit of ad revenue.

Will she even write an anti-war song? Will the powers that be allow her?

I understand that Dave Matthews is rather Liberal, yet I don't think he's getting through to his frat boy fan base.

Pointing out that musicians are Liberal is almost redundant.

I'm not impressed by Green Day either. Can't shake the fact that their first hit was some silly and immature song about masterbation. "Wake me up 'til September ends" is vague, trite and needed a music video to put it into context. Anti-war songs in the'60s and '70s were written well. These days, I'm sure record execs want "anti-war" songs to be nubious in meaning.

Please don't reply with Green Day lyrics, I am not fourteen years old and will not be impressed.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. I do like Green Day but yes they're no Sex Pistols

I have heard a song of Sheryl's called "Behind Blue Eyes" and from listening to it sounds like it's about George Bush because there is a part where she sings about being the most hated man on earth. Her song "Run Baby Run" is pretty good. She does really well with songwriting and I enjoy her voice. :)

[Jo March]

75. "Wake me up when September Ends" is not about war

It's about the lead singer's father's death.

The video, yes, is anti-war video.

Their stuff, when they were younger, is childish. Then they grew up and started seeing what was really going on. I guess you think they shouldn't grow up? Or, once they've written a song about masterbation, they should continue writing songs about masterbation?

[Neil Lisst]

38. and then she sang to Lance "are you strong enough to be my man?"

hehe

[Scout Finch]

42. Mmmm.

I'm pretty sure she recorded that song a couple of years before she met Lance. In fact, that was years before she met Kid Rock. Check your facts first.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. She's been around for years

Ever since she was a backup singer for Michael Jackson and even before that as an indie artist.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Oh and it's called joking

I guess you missed the "hehe" part eh?

[Neil Lisst]

54. Thanks. Seems like someone spoiling for a fight, eh?

What's up with that? Someone suddenly appears on the thread, arguing with everyone because the thread points out that the gal pal of Lance Armstrong is making sure she's not mislabeled by his bike riding with the Dunce In Chief.

I hate to say it, but is that really the member it's supposed to be? I'm wondering if an account has been hijacked.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Dunno

Lance and Sheryl are engaged last I've heard. I think they're cute together. She's been speaking out since 2004 at least I'm aware of.

[Neil Lisst]

58. I like her, and I like her music. I didn't care for the bike ride.

She's looking good, too. She's really working and riding a lot now.

I strongly resent anyone who tries to diminish actors and entertainers for stating publicly their political opinions. Why should they be any different from anyone else? Why would Bill O'Reilly or Newt Gingrich's opinion have any more validity? Working in politics or media doesn't bring understanding, or those two weren't be in a permastate of head up ass.

[Neil Lisst]

53. Mmmmmm ....

Are you really that clueless?

What does the year of the song have to do with ANYTHING?

Check your attitude.

[Scout Finch]

59. Are you kidding?

If she wrote the song years before she met Lance, how could she have meant it for hi...... Ah, forget it! What's the point? You'll never get it.

[Neil Lisst]

64. I'll explain it.

It doesn't matter WHO she wrote the song for or about.

That is completely irrelevant to my comment and this discussion. Only in your mind does that matter.

For example, I might suggest that you are too influenced by Patsy Kline's CRAZY. Did she write that song about you?

[Scout Finch]

66. First of all, Patsy didn't write it

Willie Nelson did. And since he wrote before I was born, it quite likely wasn't written about me. The poster didn't say Lance was "influenced" by Crow's "Are you strong enough to be my man". Poster insinuated she wrote it for him.

What can I say? I'm picky about tiny details like that.

[Neil Lisst]

69. No, the poster didn't imply or insinuate anything like that.

I'm the poster, and I suggested she sang him the song after making her statements. Why? Because he's a public figure, an endorser of products, and he's got to live with her Dixie Chickesque statements. It's not confusing to anyone but you. My comment merely suggested that Lance had better be strong enough to accept her as her own person.

Let's keep in mind, context, too. You're the person who went off about Crow expressing her opinions, like yours are well-founded and informed.

You made the incredible leap that ended with your inferring I suggested she wrote it FOR him. Your faulty "logic," or more correctly, lack thereof, is the problem. Judging by your other misperceptions on this thread, I think we can see where the problem is, too. You connect dots that aren't there.

[FreedomAngel82]

83. Wrong

The poster asked if she was going to SING TO LANCE "Are You Strong Enough?"

[Catrina]

70. Who said she 'wrote it for Lance'? You need to read that post again..

I think the comment was 'she SANG it for Lance'. Btw, you never answered the question 'do you agree with Dennis Miller's position on the War'? Several people asked you what you think about the war, but you haven't answered.

Oh, and you're a little off-base in your assumption that anyone here forms an opinion because a celebrity has that opinion. Where on earth did you get that idea? You don't know DUers very well, if that's what you think! :rofl:

However, unlike the rabid right, DUers are familiar with the 1st Amendent, which applies to all Americans, celebrity or not, right or left. It was created for exactly what you seem to be objecting to, Political Speech, and it doesn't exclude anyone based on their profession, nor does it say 'all but celebrities have the right to speak their opinion in public' does it?

You are entitled to your opinion. You should read the Constitution sometime though. Sheryl Crowe is as entitled to the rights afforded to the rest of us, in the Constitution as anyone else. Apparently she is aware of that and will not be censored by the very dangerous, radical right claiming that celebrities should shut up. Why should they? And if they have no power to influence anyone, what is the objection? Discrimination against anyone because of their profession, is unconstitutional.

I'm glad she's smart enough to agree with us here at DU. It shows she is a very intelligent woman. I like Dennis Miller, but he is not as intelligent as I used to think he was. Mmm, so many celebrities DUers are not influenced by. Kind of blows Scout's misguided interpretation of the OP's reason for the original post.

[FreedomAngel82]

84. Thank you!

And again I saw the article and know people here like Sheryl and wanted to share. I thought it would be nice because of all the Alito hearing threads and stuff. :)

[Catrina]

87. I'm really glad you did ~ it was a nice relief from all the other

news, and it was nice of you to think of making others happy by sharing with them, something you knew they might to see. That was really sweet. :-)

I am sorry that someone chose to be so negative about what was merely a thoughtful gesture towards others and so mis-interpreted it, either on purpose, or simply from lack of comprehension ~ but it didn't spoil your good intentions at all, imo.

[FreedomAngel82]

89. Thanks

:hi: Tensions are high around here (very worthy of course) so I thought it would be fun and a nice break. Glad some here liked. :blush: Sheryl is one of my favorite singer/songwriters and to know she doesn't like Bush makes it all the better. :D If someone doesn't like a thread just don't post there.
That's what I do. Sometimes you have to speak up but for the most part I can ignore other threads. :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

62. She was outspoken against the war before she met up with Lance.

I remember her on the Today Show during their outside concerts, wearing a peace tee-shirt, and after doing her numbers, said Peace. Also, during the Rockefeller Christmas Tree Show that year she said something about peace or no war.

Then she met Lance, and her vocal opposition to the war seemed to publicly end.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. I thought she and Lance have been together

since before Iraq? :shrug: She could have stopped speaking because of other life stuff. She did perform at Kerry's election night party. Does anybody have a video of that?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

74. From Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong#Family

Lance Armstrong met his first wife Kristin in June 1997 and were married in May 1998. They had three children: Luke, born in October 1999, and twins Isabelle and Grace, who were born in November 2001. The couple filed for divorce in September 2003. Kristin Armstrong cited several events related to her husband's celebrity and cancer comeback had strained the marriage. He began dating singer Sheryl Crow sometime in the autumn of 2003, and they took their relationship public in January 2004. The couple announced their engagement in September 2005.

[FreedomAngel82]

90. Got ya

Thanks. I wasn't sure when they started dating. I knew it's been a good little while but I don't ever keep up with timings. ;)

[Roland99]

91. TO ANYONE CRITICIZING SHERYL CROW >>>>

Do the following names ring a bell?


Woody Guthrie
Bob Dylan
The Clash
Joan Baez
Bruce Springsteen
U2
Green Day