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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:09 AM
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Poll question: Which voting method will you use in 2006?
Assuming there will be no voting reform and there will be long lines in Democratic districts, along with computer voting machines...

What method will you use to cast your vote in the 2006 election?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:10 AM
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1. please lets not see anyone vote abstain
Even if you think its fix, we must all vote just in case its not.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:12 AM
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2. Optical character reader, unless they change it here
Fill in the ovals with a number two pencil, and feed the sheet into a stand-alone OCR reader. Paper and plastic!!
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:19 AM
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3. I'd like to try the purple finger, but it wasn't an option. n/t
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:24 AM
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4. Mail-in, as in Oregon-style.
n/t
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:27 AM
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6. Oregon is 100% mail in. I like that state...
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:39 AM
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14. We still have ES&S for the tabulators, but at least there's a paper trail
I hope we eventually have a SoS who takes the need for open-source voteware seriously.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:02 AM
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18. Mail-in for me too.....Oregon
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:27 AM
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5. Ink-A-Vote, I think.

They want to put touchscreens in (LA, CA), but the unit they want isn't certified, yet.

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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:48 AM
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7. yet to be determined
The County Commissioners chose iVotronics without regard to to public input, so we had to file a complaint challenging the choice. We'll see how it plays out.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:50 AM
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8. I always vote in person
If nothing else I view it as a form of protest.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:58 AM
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16. You can vote with an absentee ballot, and take it to the polling booth on
election day, instead of mailing it in--at least in California. That way you have assured that there is a solid, legal record of your vote--which may be critically important in recounts, challenges and after-election studies (gathering evidence for analysis).
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:52 AM
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9. Whichever way I can! n/t
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:55 AM
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10. I always vote absentee here in Iowa -- frees me up to bang on doors
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 12:56 AM by CornField
on election day. :)

I wish we had those ink pots like they used in Iraq. It'd be really interesting to head over to the grocery store and be able to tell at a glance who has and has not voted.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:55 AM
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11. My usual method:
While holding my nose.
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Tracyjo Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:28 AM
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12. I'll use the patriot machine
I've used it in the last two elections here. Am I guaranteed my vote will be counted if I vote absentee? I'm afraid of both.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:30 AM
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13. Canada, January 23, 2006 ..Paper Ballot
(sorry to rub it in, we still have those...so far)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:53 AM
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15. I'm voting with an absentee ballot as I did in 2004. In California, you
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 02:04 AM by Peace Patriot
can become a permanent absentee ballot voter, so you don't have to re-apply each time. No matter what anybody tells you, a paper ballot is better than no paper ballot, and keeping your vote out of that election theft machinery for as long as possible is a good idea. They may scan and computerize your vote, even if it's an absentee paper ballot, but I know for a fact that HAVING absentee ballots to compare to electronic vote tallies was critically important to several post-2004 election data studies--(it established a big bias to Bush in electronic voting, in at least two studies)--and could be critically important in challenges of suspicious results and requested recounts. It also may be a deterrent to fraud. If you have sent them a solid paper record of your vote--a legal ballot--or you take advantage of a paper ballot option at the polling booth (if it is provided), then there is always the possibility that fraud can be detected. This is doubly true if your precinct has touchscreens (the worst) or machines with a mere "paper trail" (which election authorities can discount in favor of machine results). If you can get a real paper ballot, get it!

The touchscreens are just an open invitation to election fraud. They can EASILY be programmed to switch your vote. But even with optiscans, in which you vote on paper, the machine scans your vote, and the paper is retained for potential recounts (and which were found to be easily hackable in Florida), or other methods, including absentee and paper option, the real problem may be the central tabulators. Paper can be tracked back; so paper is good. But still, the central tabulators can avoid miscounting paper ballots, and only steal from the less verifiable votes (those from touchscreens and optiscans), or only steal from Republican precincts where election officials may look the other way on suspicious totals. (I suspect that both things were true in California in 2004--that votes were stolen from Kerry and given to Bush at the central tabulator level, and only in Republican precincts.)

A couple of thoughts. I strongly suspect that the election fraud has to be pre-programmed, that it's not so easy to adjust stolen percentages on election day (to meet the situation, say a Dem surge). Also, it's not all that safe for them to flip elections in a situation where the Dem is blowing the Repub away. Although we had an example of a big flipover in Ohio recently, on four election reform initiatives*, Ohio may be a special case of Republican tyranny. What happened with the Ohio initiatives would most likely raise eyebrows elsewhere, and could be used afterwards to, a) challenge the result, or b) at least use as strong evidence in a subsequent election reform campaign.

What I'm saying is that I think we can swamp them with sheer numbers. The Dems currently have a 10% advantage in the polls in people's preference for November. I'd say that's the minimum we need to overcome the fraud. We should push for a 20% advantage and a huge turnout. And I think we can do that by being HONEST. Do not lie to people! Tell them the goddamned machines ARE very riggable and are controlled by Bushite corporations. Tell them the TRUTH! And that we're trying to beat them with the numbers. That way, they won't be discouraged and depressed about losses. And they can HELP, in a situation of truthfulness and light! They can help us beat these bastards. I think people will be so relieved. It's a great relief to know WHY something is happening. And I think people will take to this come from behind, underdog situation, and get involved in trying to beat it, like trying to beat the odds in Vegas!

And do remember this. Saving our democracy is not a matter of this one election, in '06. It may be a longer term project than that. So, if nothing else, we MUST use this election to GATHER EVIDENCE. It must be the most carefully watched election in our history. NOTHING they do should go unobserved and unrecorded. Nothing! If they turn a tabulator view screen away from the public, that should be recorded. If they should so much as breathe wrong on these machines, it should be noted, dated and signed by an observer.

Meanwhile, we need to get the Democratic Party to fund INDEPENDENT EXIT POLLS. The war profiteering corporate news monopoly exit polls are not to be trusted. (They DOCTORED their exit polls in 2004, late on election day, on everybody's TV screens--falsely changing the result of the exit polls from Kerry to Bush.) (--biggest journalistic crime I ever witnessed!)

The Dems have been so bad about this! Call them on it! Embarrass them! MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING!

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Some election resources:

www.votersunite.org
www.verfiedvoting.org
www.UScountvotes.org
www.freepress.org
www.TruthIsAll.net
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml

*Also of interest: Robert Koehler's article on the Ohio initiatives:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Sign the petition for HR 550 (it would really help): http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:00 AM
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17. What % of the country hasn't been Diebolded already?
Kentucky wasa the last state to come to mind that gave millions to a crooked organization.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:15 AM
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20. Imagevision, check out the map at www.verifiedvoting.org.
It's a map of "voter verified paper ballots"--where they are, where they aren't yet. It's looking pretty good, and all the result of a people's movement at the state/local level. (Congress has been useless.)

Diebold has met significant challenge, or has been cast out--or some of their systems have been--in a number of states, and that's a lot of success so far for such a young movement (only a year old! --very young for a grass roots movement). New York. California. North Carolina. Now, big probs for Diebold in Florida. Also Alaska. And others.

It's not everything we want, by any means. But it's a good start, I'd say. A magnificent thing, in fact, to see all the state/local movements that are springing up to take on this great task.

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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:04 AM
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19. OREGON HAS VOTE BY MAIL
THE POLL SHOULD HAVE NONE OF THE ABOVE...........
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:18 AM
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21. Well, there isn't an option for a lever-machine
Yeah, we still use those here. Better than those non-paper trail machines!!!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 08:34 PM
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22. 68% going to vote absentee
so far.

I'm still curious as to how many DUers think it's the safest way to get your vote counted.
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