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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:12 AM
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"Let me -- I wish I didn't have to say this, but we're still at war".
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060111-7.html

I DARE you to read yesterday's transcript of bush's 'unscripted' town hall meeting and still hold on to what little sanity you have left, i DOUBLE DOG DARE YA.

this man is fucking INSANE folks.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:16 AM
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1. Oh for Pete's sake, are you just catching on to this fact? He's always
been a few loads short of a brick.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:21 AM
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2. Here's the deal:
I got as far into the transcript as my sanity would allow, and I think I got about 1/10th of the way in.

WARNING to those about to click the link: abandon all hope ye who enter!
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:22 AM
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3. an admirable attempt
no human has ever read the whole thing and lived to tell the tale
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:33 AM
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8. I'm trying, but I don't think I'll make it...
I read the 1st ten paragraphs and I'm already a lunatic on the grass. If I read more I believe it will damage my brain, not unlike a lobotomy.


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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:40 AM
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10. at least you TRIED to pull the sink out of the floor at least you did that
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:24 AM
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4. Actually this part is pretty revealing...
as usual the truth is the opposite of what he says....

<snip>

Q How can people help on the war on terror?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, that's the hardest question I've had all day. (Laughter.)

First of all, I expect there to be an honest debate about Iraq, and welcome it. People can help, however, by making sure the tone of this debate is respectful and is mindful about what messages out of the country can do to the morale of our troops. (Applause.)

I fully expect in a democracy -- I expect and, frankly, welcome the voices of people saying, you know, Mr. President, you shouldn't have made that decision, or, you know, you should have done it a better way. I understand that. What I don't like is when somebody said, he lied. Or, they're in there for oil. Or they're doing it because of Israel. That's the kind of debate that basically says the mission and the sacrifice were based on false premise. It's one thing to have a philosophical difference -- and I can understand people being abhorrent about war. War is terrible. But one way people can help as we're coming down the pike in the 2006 elections, is remember the effect that rhetoric can have on our troops in harm's way, and the effect that rhetoric can have in emboldening or weakening an enemy.

So that was a good question. Thank you. (Applause.)

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:26 AM
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5. he was really cranking yesterday
i watched it all, (shudder) and he was rappin' a thousand miles an hour.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:31 AM
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7. speed
or coke...

I also learned the "victory is a country"! You are right, he is fucking insane.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:34 AM
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15. so he thinks its alright to have debate, honest debate,
what ever the hell that is, as long as you understand that he has all the answers. Hey bush* I'll say it You LYING sack of shit, liar, liar pants on fire.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:28 AM
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6. I started to read it also....
By the 2nd paragraph, I started to gag. I will force myself to read it, and I'm going to critique it point by point and send my rant to my email list. I'm sure this will send some of the less willing on the list over the edge. I just hope it doesn't kill my 90 year old Uncle Fundie. The last email I got back from this sprite old guy had spittle on it.
Dear Flying Spaghetti Monster, this nitwit in residence, is seriously delusional!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:38 AM
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9. He told the lie again about U.N inspections...
"I went to the United Nations -- some of you were probably concerned here in Kentucky that it seemed like the President was spending a little too much time in the United Nations. But I felt it was important to say to the world that this international body that we want to be effective, spoke loud and clear not once, but 15 odd times to Saddam Hussein -- said, disarm, get rid of your weapons, don't be the threat that you are, or face serious consequences. That's what the international body said. And my view is, is that in order for the world to be effective, when it says something, it must mean it.

We gave the opportunity to Saddam Hussein to open his country up. It was his choice. He chose war, and he got war. And he's not in power, and the world is better off for it." (Applause.)

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:42 AM
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11. don't be the threat that you are, or face serious consequences.
his mouth is where words go to die
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:36 AM
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17. Did the Iraqi's even shoot at us, chose war's ass
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:45 AM
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12. You know, no President ever wants to be President during war.
yeah right, he couldn't WAIT to go to war, it was his only orgasmic purpose in life
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:09 AM
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22. I got down to about 1/2 of this crap before compelled to stop
or puke over my keyboard.

The man is freakily out of control, out of touch, and out of his delusional mind.

But try to recall, a whole bunch of peeps are exactly like him. Thats his BASE. They are no different in their ignorance and delusion. A number? I dunno, maybe about 35 to 40 MILLION(who actually vote, more if we don't count the non voters)...

The 35 Million who vote have influence to drag in another 15 million fence sitter VOTERS....

We must find ways to innoculate his Base with Truth in such a way they absord/comprehend and wake up... that is the prime challenge.

ITS THE BASE stupid, LOL.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:07 AM
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13. Email it to all the Freepers you know... Jeepers Creepers, where
ja get those freepers, jeepers creepers, where ja get those lies....
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:24 AM
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14. "still at war"?
Don't you love how the nazis like to ignore the fact that only Congress can declare war, & they haven't done so. We're not at war.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:36 AM
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16. The key words are here...
So I want to thank you for bringing that up.

There will be a lot of hearings and talk about that,

but that's good for democracy -- just so long as the hearings, as they explore whether or not I have the prerogative to make the decision I made doesn't tell the enemy what we're doing. See, that's the danger. (Applause.)


Oh yes there will be Georgie Boy. Gotcha in a testicular tongue-twister... I'd like to think they are clapping that he is allowing the country to remove him. But...

This is an OKAY from the president I would say... I have posted about this here at DU this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x116981#117061

Bush offers support for wiretap hearings
JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
The Baltimore Sun

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Wednesday that congressional hearings on the National Security Agency's domestic eavesdropping program will be "good for democracy" as long as they don't betray U.S. secrets.

SNIP

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13604449.htm





WAR ON TERRORISM
Bush: Wiretap hearings OK -- to an extent
At a town hall-style event in Kentucky, President Bush said he wasn't against hearings over secret domestic wiretaps after all -- as long as they didn't help `the enemy.'
By DEB RIECHMANN
Associated Press

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - After initial reservations, President Bush said Wednesday that he is not bothered by congressional hearings into his domestic spying program as long as they don't aid the enemy.

''That's good for democracy,'' Bush said, provided the hearings do not ``tell the enemy what we're doing.''

SNIP

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13605549.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:41 AM
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18. Hey Mo...Gotta A Copy Of That Declaration of War???
I thought you can only have a war when Congress says so. Otherwise it's a "police action" or some other double-speak name.

I think we need to press the Repugnicans to commit the full monte. If we're "at war"...the go on record and let's have a vote. Let's get everyone to declare if they support this pillage and are willing to give booosh the dictatorial powers he wants. That's what a war resolution will do.
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Bozvotros Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:41 AM
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19. Definitely jacked up on something
Sounds almost like a bipolar mania going on. Rambling like a loon so he can't sort out what's important and what's not. I am betting noone can read that thing from top to bottom. I am alos betting he's on a hefty dose of Adderall (amphetamine based ADD medication) and has been for quite some time. He probably had to start drinking to calm himself down.
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:54 AM
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20. Holy Fucking Shit! *Those* were TOUGH questions???
What a scripted farce!!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 08:37 AM
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21. I read the whole thing
And I feel dirty.

I am a bit suprised by this transcript, though. Normally, when his transcripts are posted, he sounds smarter when you read the transcripts than he does if you hear him read them. That is, of course, because the words aren't his, and seeing the words in print doesn't fully do justice to his sheer idiocy and all of the mispronunciations and awkward, inappropriate pauses.



But here's a few excerpts:

Let me -- I wish I didn't have to say this, but we're still at war. And that's important for the citizens of this commonwealth to understand. You know, no President ever wants to be President during war. Bullshit. Bush sure as hell enjoys it. "I'm a war president"... But this war came to us LIE!!!, not as a result of actions we took LIE!!!, it came to us as a result of actions an enemy took on September the 11th, 2001 LIE!!!. And I -- (applause) -- and I vowed that day, starting when I was in Florida and got on the airplane to head across the country, that I would use everything in my power -- obviously, within the Constitution -- but everything in my power to protect the American people. That is the most solemn duty of government, is to protect our people from harm. Unless its the month I'm on vacation, or I'm at Camp David or my ranch in Crawford for the weeked, or I'm fundraising.



<<<snip>>>>


...We're on the hunt for an enemy that still lurks. I know, because I'm briefed on a daily basis about the threats that face the United States of America. And my duty is to assess this world the way it is, not the way we'd like it to be. Hey, Bush. if that's the case, I am still terrified. You were briefed on the threats that face America many times before 9/11, and look what happened...


<<<snip>>>


...And the reason why is because he (Saddam) was sponsoring terrorism. He was shooting at our airplanes. He had attacked his own people with chemical weapons. I mean, the guy was a threat. Gee, that's odd, because I sure as hell don't remember any protest from the conservatives in the US, especially in the Reagan Administration, when Saddam was actually doing a lot of these things. And, in the '90s, when he was shooting at our planes, I seem to recall a bunch of Republicans attacking President Clinton for bombing Iraq with UN approval...


<<<snip>>>


We gave the opportunity to Saddam Hussein to open his country up. It was his choice. He chose war, and he got war. And he's not in power, and the world is better off for it. Yeah, but I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of "If Saddam lets inspectors in and proves that he has disarmed, then he has nothing to fear". So, according to you, you wouldn't have taken us to war with Iraq if there were no WMD. Well, there apparently were not WMD. So you're saying that, under your terms of this war, Saddam would still be in power?


<<<snip>>>


The hardest decision I made as your President is to put troops into harm's way, because I understand the consequences. I see the consequences when I go to the hospitals. No, the only thing you see when you go to the hospitals is the opportuntiy to make a cheap, tasteless joke about being wounded in battle while on your ranch. You compared a scratch you got while on vacation to the wound a soldier received when shrapnel from an expolsion tore off his leg...



<<<snip>>>



Secondly, you've got the border patrol. The reason why the border is necessary is because there's suiciders coming in from Syria into Iraq. And the Iraqis have got to be able to enforce their border in order to be able to protect their democracy. Who do you think you are fooling, Bush? You can't even control our borders!



<<<snip>>>



By the way, democracy works in Iraq just like it does here -- you're going to vote for somebody who thinks that they can bring character to the office and they're going to help your life. But unlike in America, that person who has character and is going to help your life might actually get enjoy his win. Here in the US, the election goes not to the winner, but to the highest bidder. You vote for the most qualified candidate, and he wins. But then some drunken moron masquerading as a cowboy is handed the victory. Is that what we are bringing to Iraq? Bush-style democracy?



<<<snip>>>



The Iraqi economy has got a great chance to succeed. They got oil and gas revenues. They had been having trouble getting some oil and gas revenues up to the levels we anticipated because of the infrastructure damage -- done by Saddam Hussein, by the way - Oh, good, that's a relief. I had this crazy notion that it was "Shock and Awe" that did all that damage to the infrastructre. But apparently it was Saddam who did that.



<<<snip>>>



And so things are good. I'm confident we'll succeed. And it's tough, though. The enemy has got one weapon -- I repeat to you -- and that's to shake our will. I just want to tell you, whether you agree with me, or not, they're not going to shake my will. We're doing the right thing. So, let me see if I understand this correctly... The insurgents, who never actually have any effect on Bush in any way, can't shake his steely resolve. No matter how many people die, he won't back down. But, when the War on Christmas shows up at his door, he suddenly loses that resolve? Didn't his Christmas cards say "Happy Holidays?" Did it even mention Christmas, at all? Why did this man, who claims to be a strong Christain, give in to those evil secularists? What happened to his great resolve then? Jesus may have "changed his heart", but Bush sure as hell won't stand up for him.


<<<snip>>>


these troop levels will be decided by our commanders. If you run a business, you know what I'm talking about when I say -- it's called delegating. You count on people to give you good advice. The best people to give any politician advice about whether or not we're achieving a military objective is the people you put out there on the ground. I told you I've got good confidence in these generals and the people who report to them. These are honest, honorable, decent, very capable, smart people, and they'll decide the troop levels. They hear from me: Victory. And I say to them: What do you need to achieve victory? Is he reffering to the same commanders who told him many times over the past few years that troop leves were insufficient, and that they needed more armor for the troops? The ones that he ignored, and sometimes even fired or forced into resignation whenever they expressed concern about the progress of the war? Those commanders?


<<<snip>>>


And the answer to that is, I'm going to do what they (the commanders) tell me to do. And that depends upon the capacity of the Iraqis to help us achieve victory. Unless they tell him something he doesn't want to hear. And, besides, what's with this "I will do what they tell me" BS? I thought that he was a cowboy, who did what was right and what he wanted, to hell with everyone else...


<<<snip>>>


Europe is whole, free, and at peace because of democracy. No, Europe is whole, free, and at peace because their leaders aren't arrogant, power-grabbing douchebags.


<<<snip>>>


I firmly believe that years from now people are going to look back and say, thank goodness the new generation of Americans who rose to the challenge of a war against terror had faith in the capacity of freedom to help change the world. And, many of the people who support the war now will look back and say, "Thank Goodness that so many Americans who actually love the country were willing to fight the war for me, because God knows I was too chickenshit to go over there!



<<<snip>>>



And now, the question and answer

In response to a question about whether he feels there will ever be an end date to the War on Terror (such as VE day or VJ day):
So, in other words, it's not going to be that kind of -- it's not the kind of war that you talked about earlier, and so the peace won't be the kind of peace that we're used to.
There you have it, folks. Unending war. It will go on as long as it has to, in order to ensure total Republican dominance.



Next was a question about NSA Spying. It asked whether there would be an investigation about who leaked the story about the spying.
Bush did not answer this question, but elected instead to ramble for a few minutes about the importance of Spying on Americans and the importance of the Patriot Act.



The next question is actually an intersting one, although it came after a brief moment of ass-kissing by the person asking it.
You have said many a time to all those who will listen that the two major pillars of democracy are free and fair elections, and the separation of church and state. However, historically, and to date, a vast majority of the Islamists across nations do not believe in that simple fact of separation between church and state. Therefore, how can we help change their belief, that for democracy to succeed, certain elements must be in place?
BUSH'S RESPONSE: Well, I have to paraphrase here, because Bush rambled for quite a while. Essentially, he said that as democracy spreads, so will the concept of Separation of Church and State. He never really addressed how that would happen. And, of course, the person asking failed to ask if it was hypocritical of him to expect Iraqi's to keep Islam out of their government, while embracing Christianity here at home and trying to include it in our government.


The next questions were about Immigration (which he has no plans to do anything about, despite what he says), Education (same as immigration, just about everything he said was empty rhetoric), and Health Care (as expected, he blamed all the troubles on lawsuits).




Its an infuriating read.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:24 AM
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24. You got guts/tenacity/resoilve/and a curious mind intent to solve the
puzzle of Bushies Mind and how it malfunctions..

Bush's brain seems to be infected with the same fungi thats out there mostly in the Pub Party. The Fungi affects perception which twarts Reason and Truth....resulting in obsessive delusion.

For reading the whole thing: Sending Fine wine/mushrooms/smoked salmon/and bbq'd ribs
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:13 AM
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23. I'm too skeered. I may slide back into tyranny if I do.
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