I believe that the Supreme Court will never overturn Roe v Wade.

[theophilus]

I think all of the discussion about this issue, and I agree it is VERY important for a woman to have control of her own body, is also a smokescreen. Alito and all the RW justices are going to make an even more golden age for the Corporations and I think that is the main reason the Neo-Cons are in the driver's seat. It is really all about pro mega business decisions.

Agree or Disagree.....

[Walt Starr]

1. Just keep believing that, if it makes you feel better. n/t

[Tesha]

17. The original poster may be correct.

The court probably won't ever directly attack Roe v Wade;
why should they? Even if abortion remains (strictly speaking)
legal, Republicans everywhere are making it nearly impossible
to actually obtain one, so why pay the political price of
overturning Roe v. Wade?

How many counties have *NO* (zero, zip, zilch, nada) abortion
providers?

How many states require two visits separated by 24 hours to one
of these non-existent abortion clinics?

How many states have impossed unreasonable burdens on the
clinics in terms of licensing, facilities requirements, support
requirements, disposal of their medical waste, etc?

How many med schools stil train future OB/GYNs in the necessary
procedures?

In how many places do the local politics essentially mandate armed
guards at clinics and armed escorts for the personnel who work there?

Why even bother overturning Roe v. Wade? One day, you average non-
rich American woman will wake up pregnant and simply find there's
nowhere left in the United States to go.

Tesha

[LeftNYC]

2. Roe V Wade is the best marketing tool

the GOP has ever had.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. I have heard that the GOP doesn't want it gone

because they get more political hay out of having it there. What I fear is a continuation of what is happening; states making it nearly impossible to get an abortion, and writing laws that will make it difficult for women to travel to another state for an abortion. I feel that a Bush SCOTUS will uphold these laws without addressing Roe directly.

[Avalux]

4. As a woman Roe is extremely important, but -

it's not THE most important issue here. I tend to agree with you - because even if Roe was overruled, the decision would go back to the individual states.

No - the most important issue here is expanse of Executive power with no Congressional oversight and the SC being the lackey of the Executive branch.

[theophilus]

8. That is what I tend to believe. Another scary aspect is that it

is the RW that is grasping all of this Executive power. Are they likely to ALLOW a true Liberal to be President?

Also, if the SC is in league with a RW Executive it would also be an impediment to a Liberbal/Progressive administration......"National Health Care is Unconstitutional!" shouted the SC.

[stray cat]

5. GOP doesn't want it on done on their watch

its a way to keep religious conservatives active and on their side. Some repubs in office want to overthrow it but not the party as a whole.

[jzodda]

6. Even many conservatives agree with this

But the US Supreme CT is the wildcard. They do not take contributions, and so its always possible at any time they could overturn anything. For the entire 1940s there was articles in the papers about how the court would never overturn Plessy vs Ferg....but they did, and set off the civil rights movement.

My own view is that they will water it down over time, adding more and more restrictions to it without outlawing it. This way they get a lot of what they want while preserving the money flowing to the conservative movement.

[theophilus]

10. Very good points, imo. Thanks. n/t

[NYCGirl]

7. I believe that too. And if they did, it would kill the GOP dead. Fast.

Because they know that 70% of this country still favors Roe v. Wade. Considering that a few of those 30% remaining might be Democrats, overturning RvW would only make 20–25% of this country happy. Not even enough for a viable third party!

[NNN0LHI]

9. I started suspecting this years ago

Bill "abort all the black babies" Bennett let the cat out of the bag last year.

Dem's use this issue to avoid having us look at a lot of other stuff too.

Don

[Cleetus]

11. He has a good point

The noecons do not represent America. America is in favor of Roe. These assholes need to get re-elected if they want to keep their jobs. Overturning Roe will spark an outcry that will signal the end of the neocon stranglehold on our country.

Bush appointees are loyal, and they share his world view. The chimp is all about funneling money to the most wealthy. Having a business-friendly SCOTUS will make the process of making the rich even richer that much easier.

Alito will look the other way when it comes to any of the sleazy shit chimpy pulls. That's why he's there. Chimpy doesn't give 2 shits about Roe, therefore, alito doesn't give 2 shits about Roe.

[Inland]

12. It's all good. Failure to overturn will separate fundie rw's from Repugs.

The only reason a good chunk of Bush's bases is continuing to pretend the emperor has clothes is the SC appointments. Once that's over, they'll drop him. If it doesn't pay off with RW rulings, they will drop the entire Repuglican party.

[hippiechick]

13. Roe, at its core, is about RIGHT TO PRIVACY

... and therefore ties in with wiretapping, IMO.

Tear down the wall which prohibits government intrusion into anyone's life and we'll have the Reich that Georgie seems to so desperately want.

[LSdemocrat]

14. It may not be expressly overturned, but

Justices will approve every "regulation" on abortion so as to effectively ban abortion for almost everyone.

[papau]

18. I agree - the first 10 days of pregnacy with Husband's permission will be

all that is left. And in a bow to grandfather rights, it may require both Husband and father to agree to permit.

[Tesha]

20. Bingo! (NT)

[Neecy]

15. In another era, I'd agree with you

But first, look at the five men on the court who have the power to overturn Roe v Wade: Kennedy, Thomas, Scalito, Roberts, Alito. These men without question are strong pro-life advocates and since they don't face elections I think they'd impose their views on the rest of us in a heartbeat. They've just been waiting for the missing piece, and that's Alito. Politics won't matter - they aren't politicians.

And in our new fascist era, it's all about control and seizing control of people's very bodies is the ultimate high for these people.

I absolutely believe they'll overturn Roe, and soon.

[calico1]

16. If the neocons are in control of all 3

branches of government they will do what they want. I agree that abortion is not the most important issue facing us. But the other is about to become a reality. With the power over all 3 branches, the bush cabal could suspend elections, keep stealing them and do all kinds of things that will destroy our democratic way of life.

[necso]

19. I disagree,

it's not like Senators vote (have voted, will vote) directly on RvW. So expecting that people will associate an overturn with the GOP and turn against them is a leap of faith (they can always claim that they just didn't know). And there's no lack of issues to fire up the fundies, who with a huge victory in-hand will be even more fired-up.

Besides, some Dems will probably have voted for the Justices who will be responsible, so the neocons can point to bipartisan support.

In any event, confirming this guy will be a blow against women's rights, minority rights, individual rights, etc, and his support of state power is dangerous, especially given the "dissent is treason" mentality of this misadministration.

[Beelzebud]

21. Agreed. If they did, they'd lose their #1 Wedge Issue.

And I agree with you. It's more about turning the U.S. into an Italian style fascist regime. Their endgame is to make this country a land governed by and for the corporations.

[warrens]

22. If they overturn, the GOP will suffer for decades

Even THEIR women want the right to choose, even if the fat assholes themselves want as much repression as they can eat.

[Kansas Wyatt]

23. If good Christian Republicans really wanted to do away with abortions,

They would work to eliminate poverty, provide health care for all, and start funding education properly.

Anything less, is just an emotional ploy for power.

Until anti-abortion groups are rebutted with the ills & horror (back alley, clothes hanger, self attempts, failed attempts, deaths, the surviving results of the failed attempts, and what to do with disabled failed attempts) that comes along with their success, then they will continue to be a valuable card to be played.

[theophilus]

25. I agree. I think that true Liberal/Progressives should get on this

side of the issue. The number of abortions can be greatly reduced while still allowing women to have control of their own bodies. With education, national health coverage, birth control, a strong economy, etc. the numbers would drop, imo. Making abortion illegal will not stop abortions and the results, as you pointed out, will be catastrophic. True Christian RWers should work with Liberals on this issue if they really want to greatly reduce the numbers of abortions. They would accomplish a lot more than they are with the NeoCons. But.....do the RW fundies REALLY want to end abortion? It is a tough question.

[Kansas Wyatt]

30. To answer your question

'do the RW fundies REALLY want to end abortion?'

No they do not, they only want to remove it from public view. The poor, unhealthy, and uneducated can waller in their filth dictated by God, since they refused to rise up to Christian Warrior status. In the event of some unfortunate mishap or problem, their own can still keep things hush hush and go away for some 'therapy' somewhere far away.

Have any Christian Republicans ever offered to fund and care for a mother until delivery, and take full responsibility for the newborn for life as an alternative to abortions? Not just isolated cases, for all, regardless of the situation. Then do they really care? And, that is just stopping the end result, not addressing the root of the problem.

[SamuelAlito]

24. I agree it's a smokescreen

Once it's legal to tap all of your phones, read your internet correspondence, and access your medical records, the government will know you're pregnant before you do. Then if you meet a profile that is likely to have an abortion, you'll just be taken out. Boom, no abortions.

[CornField]

26. I believe that if dents are not quickly made apparent in Roe v Wade,

the Republican Party stands to lose a vast majority of its base. What's more, I think most republicans in Washington understand the snowball they've created and are about to be buried by it. They've created an emotional snowball and sent it rolling down the side of the mountain. The snowball contained the smallest grain of truth to link Roe v Wade only to the issue of abortion and that grain has grown to the point that most Americans believe Roe v Wade to be only about abortion.

When Roe v Wade is struck down abortion will become illegal, but that's only the beginning. The fundamental right to privacy - especially within medical decisions, but also in other arenas - will come crashing down.

It's a no-win situation for the Republican Party. If RvW is not overturned, they risk a disgruntled base which will turn from them. (Which is no doubt why all the same sex marriage rhetoric has taken over their talking points -- they need another emotional snowball before this one hits the bottom of the mountain.) If RvW is overturned, the republicans are granted the dubious distinction of being the party which killed American's right to privacy and will lose standing in society because of it.

The Republican Party has painted itself into the corner and must now decide if it wants to mess up the floor it has created or knock down the walls of the building surrounding it.

[MsUnderstood]

27. Don't stop believing. . .hold on to that feeling

Okay singing is over.

The republicans have 2 masters, the corporations that pay their golf fees and the christian conservaitives who vote them into office.

The Supreme Court if stacked with neo cons will pass whatever corporate greed bill in SCOTUS necessary when Alito gets into office.

Then when the next Abortion bill heads to the SCOTUS, and the crowds outside protest, and the media talks about the concern of American men and women about the desctruciton of human life, Roe vs. Wade will be eliminated.

Then the corporate greed mongers will do what they did before Roe v. Wade: fly their wives, sisters, daughters out of the country. Meanwhile the poor will have their children in poverty or die in a back alley from an infection caused by an illegal abortion by an unlicensed quack.

But go ahead and believe he isn't that bad. . .and wonder in 15 years why did we go backward 50 years instead of moving further into the future.

The supreme court is the strongest branch of the government: lifetime appointments, overuling of laws based on their view of the constitution. The fact that a senator who has to fight for his job every 6 years would apologize to a potential suprememe court justice for asking him questions about how the JUSTICE will control America for the next 40-50 years sickens me.

[KerryReallyWon]

28. Who will pay for all the new must be born babies?

They are cutting funding for those who WANT to have their babies, but cannot really afford it. They seek help. They are cutting those programs, so who will pay for all the prenatal care? And, afterwards?
:shrug:

[DistressedAmerican]

29. Call Me Whan It Is All Over.

I think you are dead wrong. The coprorate interests have to placate their base or their power is lost. Neocons can only exist when allied with fundies. Alone neither group has the numbers.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Overturned? Unlikely. Chipping away until it's meaningless. Yes.

Parental notification. Spousal approval. Remove the "health of the mother" provision. etc, etc.

Alito's "open mind" references is an open door to do everything but overturn Roe outright.

[JohnnyRingo]

32. I don't think Alito's name was submitted because anyone gives a crap about

a fetus.

While the religious nuts present a list of candidates acceptable to them....
The leaders of corporate America have their dream list also, and if a name happensto turn up on both lists....